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With smartphones, people often often (in the UK at least) go for for an Android phone because of cost - they can get one free when upgrading their phone. I have quite a few friends who work in the retail phone industry (e.g. Store managers) who have all said that cost is a big factor - they tend to be Android users themselves, incidentally. When it comes to a tablet, the buying process is obviously different than that of a phone.

True. People go for the Android phone because it's cheaper; that's what several of my friends did. Now they totally regret it (too many bugs, inconsistent UI, incompatibilities, etc.), but they have two wait until their contracts expire to get an iPhone. That's what happens to people sometimes when they try to save money by purchasing an alternative product.

In my case, I already have an iPad, and carry it everywhere as my main portable computer (the MBP stays home now...), so getting any other phone that works should be enough for me.

My only concern is buying a phone that will eventually be abandoned so no more updates or fixes will be provided for it (forget about improvements!). That's the problem with WM, Android and others. Vendors don't continue to support their products, but instead, switch their focus to the newer models.

Let's see what happens with Google's new policy that bans vendors from making too many modifications to Android, and it's supposed to make it more compatible across devices.

Until then, I'm hoping to get the newer iPhone (if it comes up by end of year). I still have a few months on my plan, so I have to wait. I also like my current T-Mobile plan over AT&T's.

The way things are, iOS devices will become dominant, unless Google does the impossible to not disappoint their Android customers.
 
So with MS and Apple having hybrid OS's, (optimized for desktop and laptop/tablet hybrids) you would actually go out and buy an Android tablet ? Buddy in three years or so, that's what you will have. Why do you think Google is pushing the Chome OS on laptops ? Trying to get a foothold in the 'Big Boy' OS. Hey look at what just got posted on the front page of Mac Roumors... Android is dying... Get over it.

The problem with that is that Apple has not capitalized on having a "hybrid" OS, Apple makes virtually no effort to provide any sort of union between OSx and iOS. MS at least makes a solid effort to provide a union between Windows and Windows Mobile. I'm not advocating Android in this sense as I think they are not being smart in fragmenting their brand name once again with having Chrome OS AND Android instead of combining them, they are even more guilty of not unionizing their desktop and mobile OS'.

Android isn't dying though, far from it quite obviously. That's hilarious that someone would even think that at the present time. But in any event I would definitely buy Android TODAY based on my needs today, I can't predict the future and even the highest paid speculators and analysts are wrong much more often than they are correct. I MUCH prefer Apple's hardware, but if Android has the functionality that iOS is missing for my personal needs then I would certainly consider switching as long as they had competitive hardware, which it looks like they finally do in the 10.1.
 
It has nothing to do with the method of updating, and everything to do with the ever-changing state of Android.

Some devices will get updates faster, some slower. That is something that Google and OEMs need to work on. Honestly, when UI modifications are the cause of delay, OEMs should simply offer UI as a separate app, that will do hardware check, if necessary. That alone, I believe, will solve about 85% of update issues.

But I am not quite sure what you mean with "ever-changing state of Android". I'd rather have an OS that is "ever-changing" than "Hey, after 3 years, we allowed you to change your wallpaper, kiss our feet!" mentality of Apple.
 
Some devices will get updates faster, some slower. That is something that Google and OEMs need to work on. Honestly, when UI modifications are the cause of delay, OEMs should simply offer UI as a separate app, that will do hardware check, if necessary. That alone, I believe, will solve about 85% of update issues.

But I am not quite sure what you mean with "ever-changing state of Android". I'd rather have an OS that is "ever-changing" than "Hey, after 3 years, we allowed you to change your wallpaper, kiss our feet!" mentality of Apple.

Well, that hardly describes what Apple does, so I can see where your prejudices lie.

We do agree on the problem Google has with the OEMs. They are doing the right thing now by imposing standards, and by creating a unified OS that will work on both phones and tablets. If you are lucky, the transition from the current OS will be smooth, in which case my comments are not going to be accurate. I hear ICS will have the Honeycomb UI elements, so if a user is already using Honeycomb, they will have a smoother transition that I expect.

But since this is what Google should have done from the start, and from their own mouths comes the concept of fragmentation, I think Google should be applauded for finally trying to bring order to this situation. Of course this is what Apple did from the beginning and has been criticized ever since by Android users for trying to control things.
 
Well, that hardly describes what Apple does, so I can see where your prejudices lie.

We do agree on the problem Google has with the OEMs. They are doing the right thing now by imposing standards, and by creating a unified OS that will work on both phones and tablets. If you are lucky, the transition from the current OS will be smooth, in which case my comments are not going to be accurate. I hear ICS will have the Honeycomb UI elements, so if a user is already using Honeycomb, they will have a smoother transition that I expect.

But since this is what Google should have done from the start, and from their own mouths comes the concept of fragmentation, I think Google should be applauded for finally trying to bring order to this situation. Of course this is what Apple did from the beginning and has been criticized ever since by Android users for trying to control things.

We'll see how well Google gets the manufacturers and carriers to follow along, although I don't have much hope. A shareholder pep talk and how it really pans out months from now can be 2 very different things.
 
We'll see how well Google gets the manufacturers and carriers to follow along, although I don't have much hope. A shareholder pep talk and how it really pans out months from now can be 2 very different things.

Ain't that the truth. I think Google's real problem is that they have one priority but their hardware and service provider partners have their own priorities. When they coincide, things work out well. But partners tend to go their own way at times.

This is the Microsoft model that Google is following. Microsoft got around that by dictacting to their partners how things would go, and if you didn't do it their way, you were cut off. Will Google take a similar approach? We'll see. They don't seem inclined to yet, but given enough fragmentation it might change.
 
A colleague at work yesterday proudly produced a Xoom that he'd had for about 4 hours ....

Already he'd discovered (and was almost apologising for) that:
1. The SD card slot wasn't working
2. The media player app crashed regularly
3. Felt uncomfortable to hold as a book one-handed
4. Had some clunkyness

Android 3.0 was rush and is in desperate need of refinement .... a new user with no axe to grind was already kinda deflated about the shiny new toy he'd just got

Spec's aren't everything.
 
This Galaxy Tab has lots of potential and i would like to see it develop into something worthwhile. Till then, I will stick with my iPad.

Funny how the people pushing the alternative tablets as the be all have no sales data to back up their claims. It's all about boasting/bragging about specs. Nobody ever talks about how great the UI is, the user experience. It's always about these chest pounding specs.
 
Funny how the people pushing the alternative tablets as the be all have no sales data to back up their claims. It's all about boasting/bragging about specs. Nobody ever talks about how great the UI is, the user experience. It's always about these chest pounding specs.

That's all they've got, so that's all they can brag about. It's why they quote how many units they "shipped" instead of "sold."

The big problem is that for a generation electronic devices were sold by geeks to geeks. That is when spec discussions are germane and welcome. Companies got used to thinking that way. But now that the general public is embracing devices, they welcome a company like Apple that pushes the usability of their devices instead of throwing a lot of specs in their faces.

I think Apple won the iPod war because they didn't do spec bragging. They just showed young people dancing their heads off in profile and ran interesting music in the background.

I think Apple got the iPhone to be the most popular smart phone model by doing something similar. Apple showed the apps, front and center, while letting other guys advertise, I dunno, robots taking over your body as you used their phone, or some other odd and off-putting imagery. Classic mistake where you let the geeks rule the advertising.

Now we are seeing it with the iPad. The latest iPad ads are absolutely brilliant in the way classic Coke or McDonald's ads were. They appeal to your emtional center and say here is a product that you will enjoy. Motorola tried to copy that approach in their Super Bowl ad, but missed the point: they showed users of tablets while hardly showing the apps. So their ad made fun of users instead of showing you how great the apps are on a Xoom.

So naturally when grandma decides to get a tablet, she's going to get the one that had that nice commercial that made her feel emotional, not the one that makes fun of tablet users.
 
A colleague at work yesterday proudly produced a Xoom that he'd had for about 4 hours ....

Already he'd discovered (and was almost apologising for) that:
1. The SD card slot wasn't working
2. The media player app crashed regularly
3. Felt uncomfortable to hold as a book one-handed
4. Had some clunkyness

Android 3.0 was rush and is in desperate need of refinement .... a new user with no axe to grind was already kinda deflated about the shiny new toy he'd just got

Spec's aren't everything.

Points 3 and 4 can be attributed to hardware, which, sadly was lacking. While internals (display, camera, memory, etc) was good, design could be much better. Seems that new Galaxy tab takes care of design.

I was actually surprised how fast Honeycomb went from announcement to release. I guess Google desperately wanted to beat Apple to iPad 2 release, and they rushed it a bit too much. I believe, by Q3 or Q4, Honeycomb would be amazing.
 
Points 3 and 4 can be attributed to hardware, which, sadly was lacking. While internals (display, camera, memory, etc) was good, design could be much better. Seems that new Galaxy tab takes care of design.

I was actually surprised how fast Honeycomb went from announcement to release. I guess Google desperately wanted to beat Apple to iPad 2 release, and they rushed it a bit too much. I believe, by Q3 or Q4, Honeycomb would be amazing.

Honeycomb was faster for release for two reasons:

1. It is a tablet-only version of Android, which means it doesn't have to be ported/customized to as wide a range of hardware as the phone version does.

2. Google isn't giving out the source code for Honeycomb. This means that they don't have to tidy up the code as much.
 
It looks like a complete copy of the iPad but specs wise…it blows the iPad 2 away.

Image


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-20061516-251.html

Thinner, lighter, faster
Android 3.0 Honeycomb
Nvidia Tegra 2 Dual-Core 1GHz Processor
10.1 inch display
Samsung TouchWiz UX
16GB / 32GB / 64GB internal memory storage
3 megapixel rear-facing camera/LED flash, 2 megapixel front-facing camera


It a tough choice for tablets newbies.

Ignorant post, move along, nothing to see here.
 
That's all they've got, so that's all they can brag about. It's why they quote how many units they "shipped" instead of "sold."

The big problem is that for a generation electronic devices were sold by geeks to geeks. That is when spec discussions are germane and welcome. Companies got used to thinking that way. But now that the general public is embracing devices, they welcome a company like Apple that pushes the usability of their devices instead of throwing a lot of specs in their faces.

I think Apple won the iPod war because they didn't do spec bragging. They just showed young people dancing their heads off in profile and ran interesting music in the background.

I think Apple got the iPhone to be the most popular smart phone model by doing something similar. Apple showed the apps, front and center, while letting other guys advertise, I dunno, robots taking over your body as you used their phone, or some other odd and off-putting imagery. Classic mistake where you let the geeks rule the advertising.

Now we are seeing it with the iPad. The latest iPad ads are absolutely brilliant in the way classic Coke or McDonald's ads were. They appeal to your emtional center and say here is a product that you will enjoy. Motorola tried to copy that approach in their Super Bowl ad, but missed the point: they showed users of tablets while hardly showing the apps. So their ad made fun of users instead of showing you how great the apps are on a Xoom.

So naturally when grandma decides to get a tablet, she's going to get the one that had that nice commercial that made her feel emotional, not the one that makes fun of tablet users.

You're right, that's why the ipad2 is such a success when a much cheaper ipad1 is sitting right there next to it.
 
True. People go for the Android phone because it's cheaper; that's what several of my friends did. Now they totally regret it (too many bugs, inconsistent UI, incompatibilities, etc.), but they have two wait until their contracts expire to get an iPhone. That's what happens to people sometimes when they try to save money by purchasing an alternative product.

In my case, I already have an iPad, and carry it everywhere as my main portable computer (the MBP stays home now...), so getting any other phone that works should be enough for me.

My only concern is buying a phone that will eventually be abandoned so no more updates or fixes will be provided for it (forget about improvements!). That's the problem with WM, Android and others. Vendors don't continue to support their products, but instead, switch their focus to the newer models.

Let's see what happens with Google's new policy that bans vendors from making too many modifications to Android, and it's supposed to make it more compatible across devices.

Until then, I'm hoping to get the newer iPhone (if it comes up by end of year). I still have a few months on my plan, so I have to wait. I also like my current T-Mobile plan over AT&T's.

The way things are, iOS devices will become dominant, unless Google does the impossible to not disappoint their Android customers.

Was it androids fault or the fact that they chose to get cheap smartphones. Come on I hate when people do this. this is the same as with computers. They compare a 400-500$ budget computer to a 1200$ mac and then say that all non apple computers suck. NO. NO. NO. NO. Stop buying cheap and compaining about it tell them to pick up a Atrix, G2, Nexus or Droid incredable and tell me how it runs. Don't pick up a ****** android phone and expect it to run better then an iPhone.

You get what you pay poor.
 
Is there any info available on the battery performance comparisons?
 
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Points 3 and 4 can be attributed to hardware, which, sadly was lacking. While internals (display, camera, memory, etc) was good, design could be much better. Seems that new Galaxy tab takes care of design.

The fact that there's reasons why it's bad doesn't mean it's not bad.
 
Is there any info available on the battery performance comparisons?
Most makers have figure out they need two batteries (like the ipad) to get at least 10 hours now. The cheap 7" tablets haven't gone there yet, but most that are in the same price range as the iPads have similar battery life.
 
When google wanted to enter the tablet market os, they did not approach the project like Apple did. Google should've either use the current os and make it work for the tablet or make Honeycomb ready before letting any companies to use it. Sure, if they had waited till June, Apple would had a 2nd gen. iPad out for a quarter. Motorola came out too soon and Galaxy 10.1 is out too soon, too. I don't think Honeycomb 3.1 is enough. Developers need to make apps. It should have launched with a few thousand apps ready.

Next year will be the year that it will get quite competitive! By then, everyone will have sufficient apps. Although, iPad will have better apps. Next iPad will be a significant change. Can't wait!
 
Next year will be the year that it will get quite competitive! By then, everyone will have sufficient apps. Although, iPad will have better apps. Next iPad will be a significant change. Can't wait!
But that's what was said last year. What happens if Android based tablets are still struggling again next year. Should we just say, "Next year. I mean it this time." :D
 
The more the better...

...for us users.

They are still trying for the ipod killer, but if they didn't, ipod wouldn't evolve as far as it did.

Competition means better ipads for us.

On the serious side now, they might be able to do it but they are far away yet.
Android is not iOS by far. Too few Apps on the platform & if google wasn't behind it, would most probably had the fate of WebOS (which in my opinion is a more viable competitor in terms of design).
 
The problem with that is that Apple has not capitalized on having a "hybrid" OS, Apple makes virtually no effort to provide any sort of union between OSx and iOS. MS at least makes a solid effort to provide a union between Windows and Windows Mobile. I'm not advocating Android in this sense as I think they are not being smart in fragmenting their brand name once again with having Chrome OS AND Android instead of combining them, they are even more guilty of not unionizing their desktop and mobile OS'.

Android isn't dying though, far from it quite obviously. That's hilarious that someone would even think that at the present time. But in any event I would definitely buy Android TODAY based on my needs today, I can't predict the future and even the highest paid speculators and analysts are wrong much more often than they are correct. I MUCH prefer Apple's hardware, but if Android has the functionality that iOS is missing for my personal needs then I would certainly consider switching as long as they had competitive hardware, which it looks like they finally do in the 10.1.

I never said it was dying. I said in 3 years or so, it would be dead or dying. That's a little different
 
Yes, Galaxy Tab 10.1 blows the iPad 2 away. But the only thing that still makes iPad 2 attractive is its apps and customer support it offers.

I think an iPad 2 enhanced version...maybe an iPad 2GS is coming September.
 
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