Samsung Galaxy 10.1 copies the iPad...and blows it away!

[henchman]

The words "fandroid" "fanboy" and "isheep" should be banned from serious Apple and Android forums.

When their users can have a serious debate without automatically discounting everything that is non-apple, the use if those words would cease to exist.

Anyone who has used Android as it is today, for more than an hour, knows it's pros and cons over IOS.
And as it stands, the Android UI wipes the floor with IOS.
It's apps still need to come along more though.

But with Jobs throwing up more and more roadblocks for developers, I can see that changing quickly. If he doesn't pull back his dictatorship like control on the Apps, it will only be a matter of time before developers abandon IOS in droves.

 

[NebulaClash]

Apologies for the following run-on sentence.

Honeycomb has: a file system, real multitasking, supports flash for those who need it, a better notification system, SD card support, no need to have it connected to a computer, widgets, more customization, an awesome stock browser, apps that normally would not be accepted into the App Store, support for keyboards, mice and gaming controllers.

The only thing the iPad has is a dumbed down OS and better applications. I've owned both but I'm currently using the iPad. This is simply because of the App Store; as soon as the Android Market catches up, I'm ditching my iPad.

Well, I appreciate that you took the time to respond with a detailed answer to my question. Well done. A person can look at your list and decide if those features are useful to them or not. I, for example, think it's good that the iPad has no traditional file system. This gets into the whole post-PC paradigm that I think we are heading toward.

I would like better multitasking and notifications too. It's coming.

I never allow Flash on any device that I own, and am glad that it's off the iPad, but I understand why some people would want Flash, and I can see why they would want this to be under user control. I also know how people would go running into Apple stores to complain about their iPads being "broken" because of Flash, so that's part of why Apple does not allow Flash. It simply isn't 100% ready for tablet use by average consumers (not experts like yourself). Apple has a philosophy of covering the needs of the middle 80% of the world, and the 10% at the top who are geeks can't stand that, but Apple isn't marketing to geeks. It's a conscious decision that is working out very well financially for them.

SD card support? I cannot imagine what use I would have for that, so I guess that's not for me either. Widgets? Ugh, hate them. But hey, if you want that mess, go for it.

Apps that Apple rejects? I know of none that I want or need.

Keyboard support? Already there.

Mouse support? Uh, post-PC remember? It's not supposed to use a mouse. If you have a task that requires a mouse, use a PC.

Game controllers? That's what gaming systems are for.

So while your list is impressive to me, and I accept that for your needs, it doesn't speak to me very much. As I have always said, geeks will never like the iPad. Apple doesn't care. They aren't marketing to them.

 

[spinedoc77]

It simply isn't 100% ready for tablet use by average consumers (not experts like yourself).

You know I hear this a lot, seems like a myth to me. I've had the pleasure of viewing Flash on several android devices, and I use it on a daily basis on my own Android phone. It runs very smoothly, no issues at all, and the battery drain is about what I would expect when I am streaming videos. Best of all it's ready out of the box, with NO configurations, no technical setup, nothing it just works the same as the browser on your PC. I'd say it is 100% ready for tablet use by average consumers by far.

 

[henchman]

Well, I appreciate that you took the time to respond with a detailed answer to my question. Well done. A person can look at your list and decide if those features are useful to them or not. I, for example, think it's good that the iPad has no traditional file system. This gets into the whole post-PC paradigm that I think we are heading toward.

I would like better multitasking and notifications too. It's coming.

I never allow Flash on any device that I own, and am glad that it's off the iPad, but I understand why some people would want Flash, and I can see why they would want this to be under user control. I also know how people would go running into Apple stores to complain about their iPads being "broken" because of Flash, so that's part of why Apple does not allow Flash. It simply isn't 100% ready for tablet use by average consumers (not experts like yourself). Apple has a philosophy of covering the needs of the middle 80% of the world, and the 10% at the top who are geeks can't stand that, but Apple isn't marketing to geeks. It's a conscious decision that is working out very well financially for them.

SD card support? I cannot imagine what use I would have for that, so I guess that's not for me either. Widgets? Ugh, hate them. But hey, if you want that mess, go for it.

Apps that Apple rejects? I know of none that I want or need.

Keyboard support? Already there.

Mouse support? Uh, post-PC remember? It's not supposed to use a mouse. If you have a task that requires a mouse, use a PC.

Game controllers? That's what gaming systems are for.

So while your list is impressive to me, and I accept that for your needs, it doesn't speak to me very much. As I have always said, geeks will never like the iPad. Apple doesn't care. They aren't marketing to them.

It's painfully obvious you've never used an Android device.
So, you really have no frame of reference,which renders your opinion a bit useless.

As far as not needing apps that were rejected, well, how do you know you don't need them?
They were rejected.
Hence why you don't realize how extremely handy and useful, widgets can be.

 

[patp]

You seem to be failing to understand some very basic and simple things.

1: Some people don't want to buy anything Apple
2: Some people hate iTunes
3: Some people hate having their tablet totally linked to only 1 computer
4: Some people want to run what they want and not what Apple allows.

I know it's hard for someone who is "into" Apple to grasp these facts, and more, but there are many who just don't want to be a part of this whole Apple devised plan for the future.

There are many who do like it, and many who don't like it.

I like my iPad, but at the same time find it incredibly frustrating, as it normally fails me when I really want to do something as opposed to just fiddle about.

I will be more than Happy to change to something more open when I feel the time is right.

I have no problem understanding other viewpoints, unlike yourself.

My point has been (and is supported by facts) the tablet market is dominated by Apple ATM. The other tablet makers are playing catch up and the only thing they can show for it is specs. No mention of the user experience.

If that's all they have, Apple is safe and the tablet market will continue as it is. With Apple having a huge lead.

Your opinion is just an opinion. If you choose not to use iTunes or hate on Apple, go right ahead. Nobody is stopping you. But do not try to convince me that bigger specs with a crappy UI is better for me. If it is for you, great! More power to you.

Again, the free market system will tell us who is doing it right and who is doing it wrong. Until somebody comes up with hardware AND software that integrates like Apple has, I will shut up. Till then, you keep on with your anti Apple silliness, you broken teenager.

 

[vrDrew]

Honeycomb has: a file system.. etc. etc.

You've just given a list of features that were standards of the PC era. Which is perhaps the most damning indictment of HoneyComb and the rest of the calorie-laden Android flavors under development.

Those "features" are the PAST.

Why would ANYONE want to plug a gaming controller into a Tablet? The tablet metaphor is that you control the game by touching or tilting the screen. That's why tablets have gyroscopes and touchscreens. That's why tablets don't need Mouse support.

If you want to do gaming on a Tablet, why not play a game that takes advantage of those (new, and better, more engaging) capabilities?

Every single one of the features you've listed is a step backwards. Especially Flash, a graphic container format that is currently well past its sell-by date. Why do you NEED a user-modifiable file system? It doesn't DO anything for the user. And it almost certainly contributes to untold problems for millions of computer users.

Part of moving forward is LETTING GO of the past. Android in general, and Flash in particular, simply caters to those people who are afraid of the future.

 

[patp]

You've just given a list of features that were standards of the PC era. Which is perhaps the most damning indictment of HoneyComb and the rest of the calorie-laden Android flavors under development.

Those "features" are the PAST.

Why would ANYONE want to plug a gaming controller into a Tablet? The tablet metaphor is that you control the game by touching or tilting the screen. That's why tablets have gyroscopes and touchscreens. That's why tablets don't need Mouse support.

If you want to do gaming on a Tablet, why not play a game that takes advantage of those (new, and better, more engaging) capabilities?

Every single one of the features you've listed is a step backwards. Especially Flash, a graphic container format that is currently well past its sell-by date. Why do you NEED a user-modifiable file system? It doesn't DO anything for the user. And it almost certainly contributes to untold problems for millions of computer users.

Part of moving forward is LETTING GO of the past. Android in general, and Flash in particular, simply caters to those people who are afraid of the future.

perfectly stated. All of these extra features the Google tablet guys freak on, are just simply not needed. They are a anchor to the past and just goes to show that the small minority who bashes Apple in favor of Google are the real sheep. Holding onto the past and fighting advances the future brings.

You guys that just talk about specs and SD cards, what about the UI. Wasn't it a little rushed? Where are the apps? If your platform is so great, why are there so few developers? because the users are all over at the Apple App store buying apps that work today. Not in 6 months or a year.

 

[spinedoc77]

You've just given a list of features that were standards of the PC era. Which is perhaps the most damning indictment of HoneyComb and the rest of the calorie-laden Android flavors under development.

Those "features" are the PAST.

Why would ANYONE want to plug a gaming controller into a Tablet? The tablet metaphor is that you control the game by touching or tilting the screen. That's why tablets have gyroscopes and touchscreens. That's why tablets don't need Mouse support.

If you want to do gaming on a Tablet, why not play a game that takes advantage of those (new, and better, more engaging) capabilities?

Every single one of the features you've listed is a step backwards. Especially Flash, a graphic container format that is currently well past its sell-by date. Why do you NEED a user-modifiable file system? It doesn't DO anything for the user. And it almost certainly contributes to untold problems for millions of computer users.

Part of moving forward is LETTING GO of the past. Android in general, and Flash in particular, simply caters to those people who are afraid of the future.

Spoken like someone who is truly afraid of something non Apple. Look I get that the ipad is a content consumption device, I get that Apple had a stroke of genius when they marketed it this way. But you can't deny that fact that computers with their "outdated" file systems and customability are still a necessary part of life, especially business life which is where the ipad fails. I completely agree that we are heading towards a convergence of traditional computers and mobile tablets, but in order for this to fully happen the tablet needs to have most of the functionality of the computer, which the ipad falls short of quite dramatically. So is the ipad Apples "3rd device", or is it the beginning of the transition from computers to tablet only? As for Flash, it's a fact of life TODAY, it's there, it's part of the internet, it runs just fine for the vast majority of users. If I'm going to buy a content consumption device I'd at least like the ability to consume any internet content I come across, not only 80% of it.

Android UI is very nice IMO, but I like and am used to iOS as well, they each have their positives and negatives. It's funny because most Android users look at iOS as an OS of the "past", but I understand Apple is marketing to the grandmothers of the world, the ones who readily purchase these items and make Apple a crapton of money. But at the same time Android has gained a significant foothold in the smartphone segment, and they were catching up to the ipad until the 10.1 was announced leapfrogging it in terms of MY needs. There is an evolution at work here, there is a lot of money and marketing being thrown out there and its not like Android is going to disappear tomorrow, far from it.

PS: Gaming sucks on the ipad horribly, there would definitely be a market for a small svelte bluetooth game controller. I don't mean graphics, which are stellar for some titles, but the actual control leaves quite a bit to be desired IMO.

In the end it's about choices. You can VERY easily make Android a very basic OS not much different from iOS, or you can make it much closer to a full computer than you could ever dream of making iOS, and I think that choice while not necessarily significant to the grandmothers that make Apple money, will be quite significant to beginning and expert techs, which is a much larger segment than we give credit for.

 

[Carouser]

Big wow, people are still confusing 'means' with 'GUI paradigm' with 'functionality'. I've said it before, nobody is paid to @#$% around with a filesystem. If you can achieve the same end (all things considered) without the filesystem then the device has the same functionality.

And people are still confusing 'different interface' with 'deficient interface', shockeroo. It's not a desktop; when it doesn't work like one, that doesn't make it a deficient desktop. People have it backwards - the iOS isn't dumbed-down; the real security blanket is needing every device to mimic traditional OSes.

Also, what is this made-up garbage about who is purchasing iPads? Did someone access the latest demographic info while I was away? Yes, all those grandmothers camping out for iPads, absolute millions of them, while 'beginning and expert techs', that huge segment, has hardly bought any. This is MacRumors, not MacMakeUpWhateverYouNeedTo. Also, do we really need to point out the condescension towards old people? Apparently grandmothers and their needs as consumers count less than those of a bunch of computer janitors and smartphone nerds.

 

[spinedoc77]

Big wow, people are still confusing 'means' with 'GUI paradigm' with 'functionality'. I've said it before, nobody is paid to @#$% around with a filesystem. If you can achieve the same end (all things considered) without the filesystem then the device has the same functionality.

And people are still confusing 'different interface' with 'deficient interface', shockeroo. It's not a desktop; when it doesn't work like one, that doesn't make it a deficient desktop. People have it backwards - the iOS isn't dumbed-down; the real security blanket is needing every device to mimic traditional OSes.

Also, what is this made-up garbage about who is purchasing iPads? Did someone access the latest demographic info while I was away? Yes, all those grandmothers camping out for iPads, absolute millions of them, while 'beginning and expert techs', that huge segment, has hardly bought any. This is MacRumors, not MacMakeUpWhateverYouNeedTo. Also, do we really need to point out the condescension towards old people? Apparently grandmothers and their needs as consumers count less than those of a bunch of computer janitors and smartphone nerds.

Absolutely no condescension meant towards grandmothers, my apologies if I came across that way. I'll use "average non technical joe schmoe who doesn't know his way around electronics or software and doesn't need a full computer but only needs a media and internet consumption device" instead of the term grandmother as that better describes what I'm trying to get across. I know the post went above your head, most of all because either I am 1) not a grandmother but I do own an ipad2/iphone/Mac air, or 2) I am really a grandmother and am attempting to be condescending to myself.

As for the interface, you still haven't demonstrated anything differently from what I posted. iOS for business use just doesn't cut it, if Apple wants to come out with a different OS paradigm and make their tablets business centric then all the more power to them, but they haven't. I like both OS' for different reasons, as I mentioned I own an ipad2/iphone4 and am both satisfied and unsatisfied with them for differing reasons. There are things about Android I don't like as well, certainly. But when people shout out that Android is junk, or that they will be dead in 3-4 years it just doesn't make sense. It will be an interesting race and I am glad I live in these times for sure, with the choice of both iOS and Android, and others as well.

 

[iPhysicist]

You have to put things into perspective. Everytime.

For some people it is important to have full control without restrictions. Other do not want or need it. I do not need more than Apple can provide me with its OSX and iOS4.3 I am satisfied with how it is. For sure being satisfied is far away from being inventive but I put this (progress) into Apples hands and give away my control to those who care about (my way of) computing...

The other me is a proud (and quite excessive) user of LaTeX, a software which most people would not even consider to write a single word but in the same way for me it is far superior to Pages or Word or other Text Editors.

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I've once heard of a far away country where you have to drive on the wrong side of the street. It must be dangerous to cross the street there. I hope the people get it right one day.

 

[henchman]

Big wow, people are still confusing 'means' with 'GUI paradigm' with 'functionality'. I've said it before, nobody is paid to @#$% around with a filesystem. If you can achieve the same end (all things considered) without the filesystem then the device has the same functionality.

And people are still confusing 'different interface' with 'deficient interface', shockeroo. It's not a desktop; when it doesn't work like one, that doesn't make it a deficient desktop. People have it backwards - the iOS isn't dumbed-down; the real security blanket is needing every device to mimic traditional OSes.

Also, what is this made-up garbage about who is purchasing iPads? Did someone access the latest demographic info while I was away? Yes, all those grandmothers camping out for iPads, absolute millions of them, while 'beginning and expert techs', that huge segment, has hardly bought any. This is MacRumors, not MacMakeUpWhateverYouNeedTo. Also, do we really need to point out the condescension towards old people? Apparently grandmothers and their needs as consumers count less than those of a bunch of computer janitors and smartphone nerds.

I'm not even talking about the filesystem.
I'm talking about UI.
when I see people saying things like "widgets, they're lame. Don't need them"
Then it's obvious they have no understanding as tonthe big advantage of widgets.
I like being able to open my device, and see right there, my calendar, a todo list, and the weather and time, without having to open a single app.

I like being able to set up notifications for the different email apps I have.
I also like begin able to attach files to emails from within the email app.
I like being able to access upload options on website forums, which you can't do with the iPad.

So stop pretending that iOS isn't dumbed down.

It is.
Those living in their Apple cocoon just don't know it.

I have a 64gig3g iPad, and. An Android G2x.
So I know from experience the pros and cons of both.

Most posters here have Apple only devices, and therefore have no frame of reference, but like to pretend they do.

 

[MrWillie]

Apologies for the following run-on sentence.

Honeycomb has: a file system, real multitasking, [Snip] apps that normally would not be accepted into the App Store

The only thing the iPad has is a dumbed down OS and better applications. I've owned both but I'm currently using the iPad. This is simply because of the App Store; as soon as the Android Market catches up, I'm ditching my iPad.

What is it Andriod app store or Apple App Store ? Whats the deal with multi tasking ? Say I am playing Angry Birds. I switch to web browser. Do I really want the AB music playing in the background ? No. I am working on a spreadsheet (I wish, needs Big Boy Excel) then switch to a web browser. Again, what does the spreadsheet need to do in the background. I also use several audio streaming Apps. Guess what, they all work in the back ground.

When their users can have a serious debate without automatically discounting everything that is non-apple, the use if those words would cease to exist.

Anyone who has used Android as it is today, for more than an hour, knows it's pros and cons over IOS.
And as it stands, the Android UI wipes the floor with IOS.
It's apps still need to come along more though.

But with Jobs throwing up more and more roadblocks for developers, I can see that changing quickly. If he doesn't pull back his dictatorship like control on the Apps, it will only be a matter of time before developers abandon IOS in droves.

You do realize you are on MacRumors and not AndroidRurmors right. So someone doesn't agree with you, so you resort to name calling and then try to justify it because iOS devices support Enterprise Services, and while Google is improving it, they are not quite there yet. Why should you care? Well Android is still missing 256 bit hardware encryption. So while some features are better on Android, the important ones are not. (You even mentioned Apps). So while Android might be mopping the floor, it's using dirty water, not iOS. But I guess that makes me an iSheep in your eyes.

Why would ANYONE want to plug a gaming controller into a Tablet? Part of moving forward is LETTING GO of the past. Android in general, and Flash in particular, simply caters to those people who are afraid of the future.

Old school games. Why not use laptop or desktop ? Convience. Flash ? I don't even have Flash installed on my Windows laptop. I use click to Flash on the iMac, and I NEVER click.

In the end it's about choices. You can VERY easily make Android a very basic OS not much different from iOS, or you can make it much closer to a full computer than you could ever dream of making iOS, and I think that choice while not necessarily significant to the grandmothers that make Apple money, will be quite significant to beginning and expert techs, which is a much larger segment than we give credit for.

Does your dearly beloved Android run Windows Apps ? If not, then NO, you make it closer to a "full" computer.

Why are all iOS users grandmothers ? You got stats to back that up. I know plenty of 20, 30, and 40 something people that use iOS. I use iOS. I am not a grandparent. (at least not that I know of).

 

[Carouser]

I know if I was doing Real Work in Business I would be best served by a product designed for my needs. It's too bad Apple stopped making a range of devices like laptops and desktops which did the things I needed, now my only option is to buy an iPad and complain that it's not a Real Full Computer.

EDIT: it's not like there's some linear hierarchy from 'not-a-computer-at-all' to 'Full Computer' where devices try to approach the upper end. It's like asking what's more of a Real Appliance, a mixer or a toaster oven?

Clearly toasters are dumbed-down toaster ovens, those of us with True Toast Needs require something more than the pablum made for the dumb community satisfied with their regular toast (feh).

 

[spinedoc77]

Does your dearly beloved Android run Windows Apps ? If not, then NO, you make it closer to a "full" computer.

Why are all iOS users grandmothers ? You got stats to back that up. I know plenty of 20, 30, and 40 something people that use iOS. I use iOS. I am not a grandparent. (at least not that I know of).

Funny thing is it's not dearly beloved, I use a Macbook Air for business, I use an iphone 4 as my phone (although this week I'm using my Samsung Captivate), and I use my ipad2 for media consumption. Every single point I've had is not that Android is far superior to iOS, please read a bit more carefully. It's the soothsayers that think Android will be dead next year or that Android is completely useless that I take exception to. As for the grandmothers thing please read my post clarifying that, I never dreamed people would make a big deal out of such trivial minutia. Once again I am not a grandmother so it would stand to reason that I was only making an analogy (admittedly poor).

 

[spinedoc77]

I know if I was doing Real Work in Business I would be best served by a product designed for my needs. It's too bad Apple stopped making a range of devices like laptops and desktops which did the things I needed, now my only option is to buy an iPad and complain that it's not a Real Full Computer.

You circumvented your own point by making mine, thank you.

 

[Carouser]

You circumvented your own point by making mine, thank you.

Is your point 'iOS is no good for business' a meaningless statement? I hope so, cause that's what I'm saying.

'Business needs' are not a fixed reference, they are variable, and they will change because of iOS. The causal relationship is in both directions.

EDIT: and the argument that Android warrants some acknowledgment because it addresses the needs of business people therefore seems tenuous. Companies may be using Android but the unit of selection could be price, or pre-existing contracts, or something else, and is not necessarily because of Android's functionality, which is the argument I see being made.

 

[spinedoc77]

Is your point 'iOS is no good for business' a meaningless statement? I hope so, cause that's what I'm saying.

'Business needs' are not a fixed reference, they are variable, and they will change because of iOS. The causal relationship is in both directions.

Rather iOS will change because of business needs, or it won't and business users won't purchase it to conduct business. If iOS is truly meant to replace the computer then that's one of the functions it is going to have to eventually retain. If it's in fact meant to be a 3rd device as Apple warrants then it won't have to, but if other tablets do in fact take up those business functions then we can only speculate if that will be something significant, or as in the case of Microsoft a huge loss. I wish I could predict the future, I'd know which stock to buy!

 

[NebulaClash]

It's painfully obvious you've never used an Android device.
So, you really have no frame of reference,which renders your opinion a bit useless.

As far as not needing apps that were rejected, well, how do you know you don't need them?
They were rejected.
Hence why you don't realize how extremely handy and useful, widgets can be.

I read what Android users say about them, and I cannot see a use for myself. The same way you decide what to get or not get for yourself. Not hard to understand, and yet your opinion is not useless. Really, arguing that way just makes you look closed-minded.

I have read about apps that were rejected, and so far at least I've yet to read one that sounded useful to me. You cannot argue against that for I'm only talking about my own opinions and needs. If your needs and opinions vary, that's valid for you and I acknowledge that.

When Android users invalidate Apple user's opinions simply because they disagree, they are being just as closed as they accuse Apple of being. We all can have different views and each one can be valid for the person holding them.

 

[Carouser]

Rather iOS will change because of business needs, or it won't and business users won't purchase it to conduct business.

Yes, because in the 70s and 80s and 90s no businesses ever stopped using punch cards or CLIs etc.; all computers had to accommodate those needs if they were to be successful; it's not like buisnesses realized they could accomplish the same tasks on radically-different computing platforms or that desktop computers, the right programs, and newly-trained workers could replace previous ways of using computers in business, or that commercial-grade Apps already exist for business use or anything like that. Both 'business needs' and 'OS' are variables that affect each other. This is clear for anyone who knows the history of business computing (or lived through it).

 

[vrDrew]

But you can't deny that fact that computers with their "outdated" file systems and customability are still a necessary part of life, especially business life which is where the ipad fails. .

You'd have a very hard time convincing me that most business users - from an accountant, to an attorney, to a physician, to a marketing weasel - really "needs" to access a hierarchical file system.

Lets leave aside your (not very subtle) digs at the iPad for being a "content consumption" device, suitable only for "grandmas" for a second. And take a look at our own, human, evolutionary history.

At one point, our biological pre-human ancestors had tails. And modern humans don't. Now, you could make an argument that, every once in a while, some people might find it useful to have a tail. Washing dishes would, I guess, be little easier with an extra appendage. And certainly gymnastics events would be a little more exciting. But having a tail comes at a cost: You would need to provide extra bloodsupply and calories to support a tail. And tails would make it very difficult to sit comfortably, and they'd probably always be getting (painfully) caught in elevator doors and toilet seats. Bottom line: While some people, some of the time would find a tail useful - its on balance much better that humans lost our tails.

So too with Flash. It might sometimes be useful to have. But it comes at a tremendous cost: it sucks battery and processor cycles. Its riddled with security and privacy flaws. It has a host of interface problems (no "mouseover event on a tablet). So - from a computer-evolutionary perspective: Flash is a like a tail. An unneccessary appendage we'd all, on balance, be better off without.

 

[henchman]

I read what Android users say about them, and I cannot see a use for myself. The same way you decide what to get or not get for yourself. Not hard to understand, and yet your opinion is not useless. Really, arguing that way just makes you look closed-minded.

I have read about apps that were rejected, and so far at least I've yet to read one that sounded useful to me. You cannot argue against that for I'm only talking about my own opinions and needs. If your needs and opinions vary, that's valid for you and I acknowledge that.

When Android users invalidate Apple user's opinions simply because they disagree, they are being just as closed as they accuse Apple of being. We all can have different views and each one can be valid for the person holding them.

Reading about something and using it are 2 completely different things.
An opinion is not being invalidated because one disagrees, it's invalidated because of lack of experience using anything else.

When you have users using both platforms extensively, it stands reason that they are better informed, and have a more valid point of reference.
Unless you want to adopt the pedantic view that someone spends $900 on a device, just to say it sucks.

 

[dgree03]

You'd have a very hard time convincing me that most business users - from an accountant, to an attorney, to a physician, to a marketing weasel - really "needs" to access a hierarchical file system.

Lets leave aside your (not very subtle) digs at the iPad for being a "content consumption" device, suitable only for "grandmas" for a second. And take a look at our own, human, evolutionary history.

At one point, our biological pre-human ancestors had tails. And modern humans don't. Now, you could make an argument that, every once in a while, some people might find it useful to have a tail. Washing dishes would, I guess, be little easier with an extra appendage. And certainly gymnastics events would be a little more exciting. But having a tail comes at a cost: You would need to provide extra bloodsupply and calories to support a tail. And tails would make it very difficult to sit comfortably, and they'd probably always be getting (painfully) caught in elevator doors and toilet seats. Bottom line: While some people, some of the time would find a tail useful - its on balance much better that humans lost our tails.

So too with Flash. It might sometimes be useful to have. But it comes at a tremendous cost: it sucks battery and processor cycles. Its riddled with security and privacy flaws. It has a host of interface problems (no "mouseover event on a tablet). So - from a computer-evolutionary perspective: Flash is a like a tail. An unneccessary appendage we'd all, on balance, be better off without.

The problem with the Ipad and Business users, in general, is the lack of cross app talking. I dont know if that is an iOS limitation or a app developers limitation.

Why do I need to have a document stored or pointed to, in 4 different applications? Wouldnt it be better to have a document in once place that can be accessed by all apps? Thats where iPad fails...

File systems are far far far from dead. People use them EVERY SINGLE DAY. That is the way is stands right now and in the forseeable future. Why not have the option to manage your own files? People dont seem to have an issue managing file on dropbox or mobile me? they both use a heirarchy..

Ipad fails at multitasking. With the limited use, not every app can do background tasks. Like render a movie in imovie, while browsing the web.

 

[spinedoc77]

Yes, because in the 70s and 80s and 90s no businesses ever stopped using punch cards or CLIs etc.; all computers had to accommodate those needs if they were to be successful; it's not like buisnesses realized they could accomplish the same tasks on radically-different computing platforms or that desktop computers, the right programs, and newly-trained workers could replace previous ways of using computers in business, or that commercial-grade Apps already exist for business use or anything like that. Both 'business needs' and 'OS' are variables that affect each other. This is clear for anyone who knows the history of business computing (or lived through it).

I'm not sure what your point is. The fact of the matter is that currently iOS does not work for most business needs, I'm sure it does for some though. You keep saying that business needs have caused technology to evolve, and this is exactly my point so I'm not sure what you are arguing.

 

[Carouser]

I'm not sure what your point is. The fact of the matter is that currently iOS does not work for most business needs, I'm sure it does for some though. You keep saying that business needs have caused technology to evolve, and this is exactly my point so I'm not sure what you are arguing.

No, I keep saying while business needs change technology, technology also changes business needs. Business will change their workflows and commission Apps in order to use the iPad. It's already happening.

To expand on the point, mice weren't developed to address a business need; the 'windows' GUI paradigm wasn't developed because businesses said 'we need this' (some people realized it could be useful, but business wasn't the main driver of some dependent variable called 'technology') etc. Yet these ended up being 'indispensable' for business.

Technology causes business to evolve, and plenty of businesses are scrambling to incorporate the iPad into their operations. Less down-time, portable, cheap, comissionable Apps - technology is causing business to change around it. Both affect each other.