Samsung Galaxy 10.1 copies the iPad...and blows it away!

[Piggie]

I never said it was dying. I said in 3 years or so, it would be dead or dying. That's a little different

Well we will see.

I would think, given we have Many hardware upgrades and design tweaking, AND application numbers growing is massive amounts over the next "3 years or so" I would think the Tablet market could be very much like the phone market is today.

Both sides, if we want to just pitch Apple against Google, will have very impressive things for sale, bugs will be ironed out and 2 to 3 years of improvements will have been done to them.

The only difference might be that Apple insists on staying with just 1 model of tablet to appeal to the whole market, and on the other side is a giant wall of competing tablets, just as good, from a vast array of other brand in all sizes, colours and price points, but all running the "other" software. Not iOS.

I don't see everyone else as just giving up, so I can only see my possible scenario as the one that will exist in 3 years time, or so.

 

[jonhcox]

Well we will see.

I would think, given we have Many hardware upgrades and design tweaking, AND application numbers growing is massive amounts over the next "3 years or so" I would think the Tablet market could be very much like the phone market is today.

Both sides, if we want to just pitch Apple against Google, will have very impressive things for sale, bugs will be ironed out and 2 to 3 years of improvements will have been done to them.

The only difference might be that Apple insists on staying with just 1 model of tablet to appeal to the whole market, and on the other side is a giant wall of competing tablets, just as good, from a vast array of other brand in all sizes, colours and price points, but all running the "other" software. Not iOS.

I don't see everyone else as just giving up, so I can only see my possible scenario as the one that will exist in 3 years time, or so.

Good post and I think you hit the nail on the head. I think the only way I can see it growing is in a similar arc to the handset market, insofar as the others' hardware will be well saturated. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see two iPads from Apple, one with purported high-res display that I'm not sure can meet the $499 pricepoint, and what we really see now with the iPad 2. Who knows, we'll see. Either way, I'm excited to see the forthcoming tablet wars, especially once iOS 5 is out.

 

[Born Again]

Wow. Thinner. Lighter. Better screen. Better camera. 2x RAM.

Competition is good. We (the consumers) win.

I can't wait for iOS 5

Right now the iPad 2 still feels like it's dumbed down

That said android honeycomb looks so beta


I would hardly recommend an android tablet simply because of specs!

It's about the apps man!

I agree with u though competition will drive iOS 5 to be better

 

[blackNBUK]

Yes, Galaxy Tab 10.1 blows the iPad 2 away. But the only thing that still makes iPad 2 attractive is its apps and customer support it offers.

I think an iPad 2 enhanced version...maybe an iPad 2GS is coming September.

I still don't get how the Galaxy Tab 10.1 "blows away" the iPad 2. On a purely hardware basis it's pretty much a dead heat; similar thickness, size, weight and computing power. The GT has better cameras but then again the iPad2 has a better GPU. Looking at just the hardware I don't see it as a pure win for the GT. Once you bring the AppStore and the rest of the iOS ecosystem into the equation then it's an easy win for the iPad.

 

[MrWillie]

Well we will see.

I would think, given we have Many hardware upgrades and design tweaking, AND application numbers growing is massive amounts over the next "3 years or so" I would think the Tablet market could be very much like the phone market is today.

Both sides, if we want to just pitch Apple against Google, will have very impressive things for sale, bugs will be ironed out and 2 to 3 years of improvements will have been done to them.

The only difference might be that Apple insists on staying with just 1 model of tablet to appeal to the whole market, and on the other side is a giant wall of competing tablets, just as good, from a vast array of other brand in all sizes, colours and price points, but all running the "other" software. Not iOS.

I don't see everyone else as just giving up, so I can only see my possible scenario as the one that will exist in 3 years time, or so.

It will be MS killing off Android. Laptops will be hybrid laptop/ tablet, similar to the transformer, running Win8, made by a thousand companies, (which will dominate the market) and Apple with OSXI (or whatever) that is capable of running Win8. Google is trying to get Chrome OS established right now, I wonder why they state that Chrome is tablet capable ? (Hint: They see the direction MS and Apple are taking). Basically there will be no reason to buy an Android tablet. Smart phones ? I have no idea.

 

[patp]

iPad will always be king. Apple made a killer OS and hardware work together. All under one roof.

Android/Google/Samsung are working under different roofs with all different agendas and the end result is a user experience that is not nearly as smooth as the iPad.

I do have my eye on web os as that seems to have good potential as a serious contender. All the hype about Android tablets is focused on specs and how big my unit is compared to yours. Once you start talking about apps, use experience it all goes back to Apple. The market shows Apple and us that everyday.

 

[Piggie]

iPad will always be king. Apple made a killer OS and hardware work together. All under one roof.

Android/Google/Samsung are working under different roofs with all different agendas and the end result is a user experience that is not nearly as smooth as the iPad.

I do have my eye on web os as that seems to have good potential as a serious contender. All the hype about Android tablets is focused on specs and how big my unit is compared to yours. Once you start talking about apps, use experience it all goes back to Apple. The market shows Apple and us that everyday.

You seem to be failing to understand some very basic and simple things.

1: Some people don't want to buy anything Apple
2: Some people hate iTunes
3: Some people hate having their tablet totally linked to only 1 computer
4: Some people want to run what they want and not what Apple allows.

I know it's hard for someone who is "into" Apple to grasp these facts, and more, but there are many who just don't want to be a part of this whole Apple devised plan for the future.

There are many who do like it, and many who don't like it.

I like my iPad, but at the same time find it incredibly frustrating, as it normally fails me when I really want to do something as opposed to just fiddle about.

I will be more than Happy to change to something more open when I feel the time is right.

 

[Carouser]

[snip]

You seem to be failing to understand some very basic and simple things.

There are people who complain about the things you listed and still they spend at least $500 on the iPad and they keep using it, suggesting that the detriments are pretty negligible since they haven't affected those consumers' behaviors, and that the iPad somehow convinces this group of people to buy it, use it, and still bellyache about it the whole time (lol).

If people don't want to buy anything Apple they have the option, your criticisms sound like "I want an Apple device but I don't want it to be an Apple device." Just go buy something else already.

I know it's hard for someone who likes to criticize Apple to grasp these facts, and more, but there are many who bla bla bla whatever

 

[Night Spring]

You seem to be failing to understand some very basic and simple things.

There are people who complain about the things you listed and still they spend at least $500 on the iPad and they keep using it, suggesting that the detriments are pretty negligible since they haven't affected those consumers' behaviors, and that the iPad somehow convinces this group of people to buy it, use it, and still bellyache about it the whole time (lol).

Ha, that made me laugh!

I don't have much sympathy for people who don't want to buy Apple just because it's Apple, but I do agree that iOS devices have some frustrating aspects, such as having to go through iTunes and only being able to sync with one computer. I was able to modify my routines to fit those parameters, but I can see how for some people, those restrictions aren't something they want to live with. I do imagine that people who feel that way would probably jump ship as soon as someone comes out with an acceptable alternative. I hope they report back on their ideal tablet when they find one. While so far, the iPad is the best tablet for me, I'm always open to other possibilities, and do like to hear how the other tablets are working out.

 

[MrWillie]

1: Some people don't want to buy anything Apple
2: Some people hate iTunes
3: Some people hate having their tablet totally linked to only 1 computer
4: Some people want to run what they want and not what Apple allows.

1) You're right about that.
2) Correct again. But I don't understand why.
3) It's the hardware encryption.
4) JB. Yep some will claim that it shouldn't be necessary, but those are some of the same people that root their Android devices.

 

[chiefpavvy]

It's the software, stupid!

Doesn't matter if [insert Fandroid Tablet Name Here] has 16GB of RAM and 8 cores, if the software stinks. Which it does.

Apple succeeds because they control the entire ecosystem start to finish, and everywhere in-between. Frustrating at times for more advanced end users, but exactly what 90% want and gladly pay for. Something simple that just works.

Galaxy, meh. They had to give them away at Google I/O and that will probably be the largest uptake of them ever LOL!

 

[chrono1081]

I just woke up what are we talking about? Oh another "misc product X is an Apple product killer thread"? Yawn. I'm going back to bed. Wake me up when something interesting happens

 

[BergerFan]

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With smartphones, people often often (in the UK at least) go for for an Android phone because of cost - they can get one free when upgrading their phone. I have quite a few friends who work in the retail phone industry (e.g. Store managers) who have all said that cost is a big factor - they tend to be Android users themselves, incidentally. When it comes to a tablet, the buying process is obviously different than that of a phone.

Agreed. That's why I don't see Android dominating the tablet Market, by numbers, as they do with smartphones.
Phones are necessary items, whereas tablets, like mp3 players before them, simply aren't.

 

[*LTD*]

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If it runs an OS that is open and licensed out to everyone and their dog, it by default cannot "blow away" the Apple device competing in the same space.

Rule of thumb.

 

[lilo777]

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If it runs an OS that is open and licensed out to everyone and their dog, it by default cannot "blow away" the Apple device competing in the same space.

Rule of thumb.

I'd call it "rule of dumb"

 

[Meanee]

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If it runs an OS that is open and licensed out to everyone and their dog, it by default cannot "blow away" the Apple device competing in the same space.

Rule of thumb.

How's this a rule of a thumb? Take a look at Linux. It's also open, and licensed to everyone and their dog. Yet, it's very functional, can easily replace Windows and Mac PCs. The reason it's market share is so low is because there's no marketing done for it at all. Look at Ubuntu. A great desktop OS. And completely open source.

So, try that again.

 

[alex2792]

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If it runs an OS that is open and licensed out to everyone and their dog, it by default cannot "blow away" the Apple device competing in the same space.

Rule of thumb.

I traded my ipad for a xoom after playing with Android 3.1,it blows away iOS 4.3 feature wise.

 

[NebulaClash]

I traded my ipad for a xoom after playing with Android 3.1,it blows away iOS 4.3 feature wise.

No, it doesn't. Go ahead, by any rational definition of the phrase "blows away," tell us how Android 3.1 "blows away" iOS 4.3.

 

[falconeight]

I own a 10.1 I/O and it comes no where near the ipad. its slow, crashes, no decent apps, feels cheap, but it looks ok.

 

[Chasing Cars]

No, it doesn't. Go ahead, by any rational definition of the phrase "blows away," tell us how Android 3.1 "blows away" iOS 4.3.

Apologies for the following run-on sentence.

Honeycomb has: a file system, real multitasking, supports flash for those who need it, a better notification system, SD card support, no need to have it connected to a computer, widgets, more customization, an awesome stock browser, apps that normally would not be accepted into the App Store, support for keyboards, mice and gaming controllers.

The only thing the iPad has is a dumbed down OS and better applications. I've owned both but I'm currently using the iPad. This is simply because of the App Store; as soon as the Android Market catches up, I'm ditching my iPad.

 

[ghostlyorb]

I lose track of all the Android names and numbers. Too many to keep track of. iOS (one name) and followed but sequential numbers. Easy and simple.

 

[henchman]

Easy and simple.

Like it's fanboys.

 

[spinedoc77]

Apologies for the following run-on sentence.

Honeycomb has: a file system, real multitasking, supports flash for those who need it, a better notification system, SD card support, no need to have it connected to a computer, widgets, more customization, an awesome stock browser, no need to jailbreak for some of the Apps that wouldn't be available in the App Store, support for keyboards, mice and gaming controllers.

The only thing the iPad has is a dumbed down OS and better applications. I've owned both but I'm currently using the iPad. This is simply because of the App Store; as soon as the Android Market catches up, I'm ditching my iPad.

It's funny because this thread inspired me to break out my Samsung Captivate and use it as a phone for a couple of days, I'm still using it today to get a feel for it. In many ways I feel freed. I know many profess that Flash isn't an issue for them and they never run into it, but personally I run into the Flash wall at least a dozen times a day, with my Samsung it's nice to not have ANY restrictions on the internet, but that's just my personal use and YMMV depending on what you browse.

Other things that are kind of amazing to me are the little things. Firefox mobile that lets me sync my bookmarks with my desktop, having a real lockscreen with pertinent information, being able to change my user agent in the browser, useful widgets. One of my favorites is the slide down activity screen, you slide from the top down and have instant access to any notification, newly installed programs, etc., you even have buttons to instantly mute the phone, turn on/off wifi, bluetooth, gps, rotation, etc. Hardware things like having a microsd are very nice as well.

I will say that Froyo is just a hair less smooth than iOS in some ways, but a day or so of using it and it all becomes very smooth and intuitive. The way it feels iOS is more of a true appliance, plug it in and forget it, but that limits its customability and makes it feel less of a computer and more of a consumption device. Nothing wrong with that, but I think I am realizing I appreciate something you can customize more. Android you can keep it very simple and basic just like iOS, or you can dig deeper and make it very technical, and that's a good thing. I'm a bit tired of having choices forced onto me so I'm very very seriously considering the Samsung 10.1.

 

[einmusiker]

looks like what the xoom should have been

 

[decafjava]

Like it's fanboys.

The words "fandroid" "fanboy" and "isheep" should be banned from serious Apple and Android forums.