in 2 years from now AI as we know it will have evolved and changed tremendously. I have no faith that Apple will be able to keep up with this technology evolution. AI is growing and changing at such a fast speed that Apple will not be able to make up the ground it has lost.
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Samsung has always been ahead of Apple
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Apple has always played in the fourth quarter; they have that luxury. Worst case they buy Claude or Perplexity. I'd even say they're particularly well positioned because they haven't wasted billion upon billions of dollars building out massive AI infrastructure just to see DeepSeek show everyone it's not needed.
we will see.....that hasn't worked out well for them so far now has it? I mean Apple bought Siri in 2010 and look what that has become.....
We definitely will. I'm optimistic, but, to your point, it's definitely not a sure thing. I've just been watching Apple be "late" to things for like twenty years now, and they usually (but not always) pull it off. You're not wrong that it certainly looks from the outside that Apple was caught off-guard with how fast the technology improved, and Apple's commitment to privacy also might be a disadvantage here.
I also am pretty firmly in the camp of thinking we weren't actually supposed to see Apple Intelligence until iOS19, and so it's particularly rough, even for Apple. My thought is the "Apple has no AI story" coverage/pressure was starting to impact the share price, so they released it "early." So I give them a little benefit of the doubt with some of the features being "iffy" right now.
I used to agree with this sentiment but recent Apple has shown me otherwise, especially apple intelligence.
That’s definitely a pretty concerning issue though if that’s true. While it’s technically not false advertising, it definitely borders on misleading. All we saw was marketing/advertising for iPhone 16 Pro Max with Apple Intelligence, but it ended up being a half baked release and some of the features have been on Android for a long time before we were even talking about AI in the mainstream.
Where you getting false advertising from their post? I believe they are explaining how this is Apple attempt to try and catch up to the industry given they had no AI presence. And Apple Intelligence was originally planned for iOS 19… but Apple had to pivot and release it early.
Has Samsung even disclosed how much the AI on their phones will cost after the free trial ends? Lol
Not that I agree with the poster, but I think the false advertising claim is coming from "iPhone 16 was built for AI" given the lead-times on finalizing phone designs. I'd argue that making sure the previous year's phone would work for AI means that the phone "was built for AI" but I could see how reasonable people might disagree.
They said all AI features will be free until the end of 2025. More details to come on which features will actually have a charge. Regardless, getting a year of free service to see if you actually like the service sounds like a pretty damn good deal to me. Now if other OEMs don't charge a fee for the same features, then that would be a bad deal for Galaxy users. One thing we can be sure of, Apple hasn't seen a subscription fee it didn't like.
In a few years I suspect the idea of a subscription fee for AI built into the OS will seem as crazy as subscription fees for the web browser built into your OS.
Yep, like I said, not false advertising, but they released a half baked AI model and their marketing definitely could have influenced buying decisions.
If I didn't have my car play issue in my car, I would be back with the Iphone. I like Samsung and Android is decent, but Apple's Ecosystem is second to none and I miss that seamless integration. Also, I think the thing that most frustrates me about Android is I see all these amazing customizations, and I get confused at the part where people talk about KGWZ or whatever that app is or just Icon packs or just how do you decide how you customize. Maybe it's my lack of imagination, but at least with Apple, you get a starting point. I've had this Samsung phone for a year and I even bought Niagara Luancher just to say I can have a different launcher, but I know probably 15-20% of what this phone can actually do. Maybe I just need to find a video on youtube talking about how to customize Android from the standpoint of never using an Android phone before. A lot of those videos are at high school or middle school level. I need something preschool level I feel like.
We all believe competition is good, but you know what else is good? A client base that holds a brand's feet to the fire. Once you have a client base that views their brand of choice like it can do no wrong and bends into a pretzel when explaining it's shortcomings, that's when you have a brand that moves slow to be on the cutting edge. It knows it doesn't have to do anything, because they are fully aware they have their client base as willing prisoners to the ecosystem.
Android OEMs have a whole load of competition amongst themselves, and the user base will throw them to wolves if they don't get what they want. This is why OEMs like Samsung bring new features like AI, and new form factors to the market. Not just because they want to be first, it's because the industry needs to move forward. These days, the industry would be nowhere if it only had the likes of Apple. Just look at how many Apple users on this forum say how they see no need in a foldable or flip. We all know full well most of them will be jumping on one as soon as Apple will release one. All under the guise of, "Well Apple did it right." lol, riiiight. Bottom line, blind loyalist of any brand are their own worst enemy.
Android OEMs have a whole load of competition amongst themselves, and the user base will throw them to wolves if they don't get what they want. This is why OEMs like Samsung bring new features like AI, and new form factors to the market. Not just because they want to be first, it's because the industry needs to move forward. These days, the industry would be nowhere if it only had the likes of Apple. Just look at how many Apple users on this forum say how they see no need in a foldable or flip. We all know full well most of them will be jumping on one as soon as Apple will release one. All under the guise of, "Well Apple did it right." lol, riiiight. Bottom line, blind loyalist of any brand are their own worst enemy.
Well, I know that. You are claiming it’s possibly misleading, but iPhone 16 Pro/Max users did receive some of those features around a month of ownership and was told by Apple it was coming in a 18.1 update.
And during the keynote of the iPhone 16 Pro… Apple made it known that some of the features will ship next year. Even the iPhone 16 Pro reviews didn’t demo any AI features, just acknowledge it was coming in an update.
I remember back when Apple was constantly being positioned as 1 flop away from irrelevancy. Low market share and sales were paraded around as signs of an incompetent product strategy. Critics seized every opportunity to denigrate the Apple ecosystem (and their users, by extension), from the inability to sideload on iOS, to higher prices, to the lack of hardware features such as expandable storage and removable batteries, or even more niche features like IR blaster for controlling your TV.
Simply put, Apple was framed as being weak and vulnerable, dependent on revenue sources that could disappear overnight due to consumers fleeing to the competition.
Today, that narrative has completely shifted. Not because of a user base that has gotten too comfortable and is no longer willing to hold Apple accountable, but rather, because Apple continues to do most of the fundamentals well enough (ie: their integrated ecosystem). I find it laughable how everyone has done a total 180, from claiming that Apple was doomed, to now being infatuated with Apple’s power, its ironclad grip over the App Store, and the idea that Apple users are stuck or imprisoned in a massive walled garden where things like iMessage, Apple Watches, and AirPods force people to remain within Apple’s walls. Government regulators are viewed as the only entity capable of protecting Apple users from Apple.
All I can say is, anyone here who actually believe this narrative is only setting themselves up for more failure. Stubbornly believing that Apple users are somehow being forced against their will to buy products like Apple Watches and AirPods is nothing more than looking for someone to blame for the market failures pertaining to their own product platform of choice when the problem is (more likely than not for those companies) bad vision, inadequate corporate culture, and lack of understanding as to what makes Apple unique.
As long as you keep thinking that we are captive sheep who will buy anything Apple, prepare to read Apple wrong every time, and prepare to be sorely disappointed at every turn. I cannot help but be reminded of that meme where I just don't think about Android, nor do I particularly care about it.
The Apple ecosystem indeed has fan boys, but look at the animosity they've gotten for...
1.) MacBook Pro touch bar.
2.) MacBook notch.
3.) iPhone dynamic island.
4.) M4 series Mac Mini power button placement.
5.) Lack of an extra internal SSD slot in makes for 3rd party SSD DIY upgrades.
6.) Pre-Apple Silicon when iMacs lost RAM upgradability.
7.) Ridiculously expensive RAM and internal SSD upgrades (with RAM you might argue system-on-chip, but the SSD thing? No, sorry, uh-uh, I think that's just gouging).
8.) Until the M4 series Macs, a LONG time with 8-gig RAM as the default on multiple Macs.
Don't be so such. I don't want a foldable iPhone because I don't like the idea of a hinge, I always use a durable protective case (these things get dropped), I don't want something double the thickness in my pocket, and my iPhone 12 Pro Max fits in a breast pocket and sticks out the top but it's a decent working arrangement for me. I also saw a price for an Android gadget that I think basically folded your phone into a small tablet, and...nah.
For that matter, I'm not breathless with anticipate over what Apple Intelligence can do for me. I hav more of a 'Meh, wait and see' attitude.
Apple has external competition (e.g.: Android, Windows PCs) but not internal competition (within its own iOS and Mac Apple ecosystem), unlike Android phone/tablet and Windows PC vendors, who compete with each other. Otherwise, somebody else would make a Mac with 1 or 2 internal SSD slots. Therefore it's harder to hold Apple's feet to the fire.
Imagine if you couldn't abandon Dell without abandoning the Windows platform, or Samsung without abandoning Android.
Apple's varied fortunes over time and strong success capture attention, it part due to the magnitude involved and in part due to the mystique, the mystery of it.
I remember when then CEO Gil Amelio put forth the idea what Apple needed to do was put forth a better personal computer, and he used a strong brand name flashlight as an example. You succeed by making a superior product. And many of us would think in terms of hardware, a killer ap., etc... Mac clones had come out and were seeing some success (I had a couple).
Steve Jobs can back saying you don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle, and getting a reputation for a 'reality distortion field.' He killed the Mac clone market.
Apple's success has some understandable factors:
1.) More control over smaller user base allowed pivoting to new processor families (e.g.: Motorola - Power PC - Intel - Apple Silicon).
2.) Mac OS to me has a somewhat 'organic' feel, and was a GUI throughout, whereas Windows started as a DOS shell and evolved into a thorough GUI OS over time.
3.) A smaller hardware ecosystem is simpler and probably easier to iron out the bugs in.
But sometimes Apple seems to get by in part of the kind of mystique an expensive sports or luxury car brand might sell on. Which is funny since the Apple Car project evidently stalled out.
It is the era of victimization and externalizing blame.
is samsung android?
ummm i never had a Samsung anything but a TV but i had to help 2 Samsung phone owners
lower and higher the volume and the other was to show an icon on the home screen.
seems to me that phones are less vulnerable to elders as these 2 used their phones,
but cant rouble shoot a simple problem, as phones are easier to use with less steps
ummm i never had a Samsung anything but a TV but i had to help 2 Samsung phone owners
lower and higher the volume and the other was to show an icon on the home screen.
seems to me that phones are less vulnerable to elders as these 2 used their phones,
but cant rouble shoot a simple problem, as phones are easier to use with less steps
I am receiving my S25 Ultra on Wednesday, and I'm definitely going to need some help figuring this phone out. I'm hoping after a week, I am able learn how to adjust the volume.
One look at the responses of my previous post, and it's point proven. One responder thinks I was saying Apple users are forced to buy in, when I clearly called them willing prisoners to the ecosystem. SMH.
Another thinks Apple is treated as a luxury product. The only people that would even entertain this thought are blind loyalists. I don't know a single person outside that group that thinks any phone is a luxury product. People on food stamps and social assistance have iPhones and S-Ultra phones, and any other flagship phone. Lol. Luxury?
So as you can see the elevated glorification and blind defense is live in well within the cult mentality. Point proven.
Another thinks Apple is treated as a luxury product. The only people that would even entertain this thought are blind loyalists. I don't know a single person outside that group that thinks any phone is a luxury product. People on food stamps and social assistance have iPhones and S-Ultra phones, and any other flagship phone. Lol. Luxury?
So as you can see the elevated glorification and blind defense is live in well within the cult mentality. Point proven.
I'm really hoping my S25 Ultra will have the option to make phone calls.
Ah yes, Apple users are in a cult. Never heard that one before.
And yet here you are, having spent five years posting about how much better Samsung phones are than iPhones on an Apple fan site. But sure, we’re the ones blinded by an unhealthy loyalty to a brand.
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Android is a very good OS which I find grows on you when you use it. Also, it's easy to use the Google Messages from a browser window, any browser window. I always found the Apple Messages restrictions very frustrating. I can also use Vivaldi effortlessly compared to iOS where it feels clunky.