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Samsung Offers to Supply Foldable Displays to Apple and Google

I'm already over the foldable display trend. To me, it's similar to why Apple keeps Macs and iPads separate. Merging product lines would result in a bad computer and a bad tablet. Keeping them separate allows them to be the best of both what they're supposed to be.

Merging a phone and a tablet = a bad phone and a bad tablet. A raised cost for a worsened experience. The only advantage it offers is that it would allow you to carry a tablet in your pocket instead of carrying around 2 devices, but that's not worth it to me.
 
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LordVic said:
did you do what the other posts do, just read what you want to read and completely ignore the purposeful use of words I used and then immediately jumped on defense mode without actually understanding the words?


Go back and read my words carefully
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I have nothing to defend. You stated that Apple files patents for foldables therefore it has interest in them whereas I pointed out that the term interest can have multiple meanings, and filing a patent is orthogonal to having a business interest as far as Apple is concerned.

Did you just read what you want to read and completely ignore the purposeful use of words I used and then immediately jumped on defense mode without actually understanding the words?

Go back and read my words carefully
 
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xxray said:
I'm already over the foldable display trend. To me, it's similar to why Apple keeps Macs and iPads separate. Merging product lines would result in a bad computer and a bad tablet. Keeping them separate allows them to be the best of both what they're supposed to be.

Merging a phone and a tablet = a bad phone and a bad tablet. A raised cost for a worsened experience. The only advantage it offers is that it would allow you to carry a tablet in your pocket instead of carrying around 2 devices, but that's not worth it to me.
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I highlighted the most important part of your entire post.
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iKrivetko said:
I have nothing to defend. You stated that Apple files patents for foldables therefore it has interest in them whereas I pointed out that the term interest can have multiple meanings, and filing a patent is orthogonal to having a business interest as far as Apple is concerned.

Did you just read what you want to read and completely ignore the purposeful use of words I used and then immediately jumped on defense mode without actually understanding the words?

Go back and read my words carefully
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What the...?

This is projection if I've ever seen it. Your response was clearly intended to be some sort of refutation, not an agreement. Let's not be revisionist here.
 
Morgenland said:
Please don't be such a snide arrogance. I studied patent law for 1 year during my university years. Ask patent attorneys, they can also tell you the background, I'm not doing you this favor, you could have been more careful in school.
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That's not how debate/discussion works. you made a claim. you back it up.

I'm not asking cause i odn't know. I'm asking because you made a bold claim about what you believe knowledge I have or don't have, while showing ignorance about the discussion at hand.

I asked you to describe patents because I want to see if you can back up your claims. so far, you have not once backed up a single claim you have made. You post constant innacuracies and you jump on anyone with a different opinion as your own as a "hater", using ad hominem attacks as if it proves your point.

your debate and communication skills are subpar and you have shown a constant lack of critical thinking capabilities.

Whether or not you are showcasing a persona for your own entertainment or not I cannot ascertain. Either way, the fact that you jumped on a post of mine, without actual substance ot that post, and without actually reading the full words I used in an attempt to imply meaning that is different than that intended is further showcase that there's no way you are going to ever come to discuss these things from a side of good faith.

have a nice life. Ignore is here for exactly these purposes.
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iKrivetko said:
I have nothing to defend. You stated that Apple files patents for foldables therefore it has interest in them whereas I pointed out that the term interest can have multiple meanings, and filing a patent is orthogonal to having a business interest as far as Apple is concerned.
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the ONLY qualifier to my statement on interest was "Passable" interest. the use of passable was intentional and should not be overlooked

hence why I asked you to reread my statement. I made NO claims of business or engineering interest. Only that somewhere in the company, someone thought it was worthwhile to design and submit patents to the effect.

that's what I mean by "passable"

that's why I asked you to reread what I wrote, because ignoring qualifiers in words can change the whole meaning of the setence
 
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@john123 and @LordVic ...you guys are trying to reason with people who do not play nice. They state their POV as fact and ignore all others. The have a very narrow POV and belittle anything other than their own position.

Sometimes it is best to ignore and let some statements speak for themselves.
You will never win an argument with these types of people. You have to stoop to their level and it is not worth it.
 
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Heineken said:
Cool, but people don't understand what the word means. That's the problem. Innovation is what changes your life in a meaningful way. Foldable display in a phone is simply not that. It's a cool feature of the phone.
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I may have missed your argument in another post, but why do you think foldable displays are not going to be a significant development for phones?

Phones are not just phones anymore. I believe in having separate devices for different tasks (MacBook, iPad, iPhone), but I do see software tying it together, blurring the lines. A screen becomes merely a window into the digital space. At that point, I think having the biggest possible screen in your pocket is more than a gimmick and rather essential.

Notice I’m thinking beyond the 2019-2020 timeline. For now, it’s a great thing the screens are being developed and a bonus that they’re even on sale IMO.
 
sunapple said:
I may have missed your argument in another post, but why do you think foldable displays are not going to be a significant development for phones?

Phones are not just phones anymore. I believe in having separate devices for different tasks (MacBook, iPad, iPhone), but I do see software tying it together, blurring the lines. A screen becomes merely a window into the digital space. At that point, I think having the biggest possible screen in your pocket is more than a gimmick and rather essential.

Notice I’m thinking beyond the 2019-2020 timeline. For now, it’s a great thing the screens are being developed and a bonus that they’re even on sale IMO.
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On paper it sounds great, but it all goes down to implementation.
 
I’m not interested. A fat phone, a tiny tablet, and a huge price tag. Combo devices are not necessarily better, and this is an example of that.
 
edgonzalez32 said:
It's technology that has potential. What is stupid about it? Once the clunkiness and weird camera placement gets ironed out, having an iPhone and ipad in one device.

Competition is good. If you're not interested in a product like this, then don't buy it.
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I'm not buying.
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QCassidy352 said:
I’m not interested. A fat phone, a tiny tablet, and a huge price tag. Combo devices are not necessarily better, and this is an example of that.
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That's like comparing a swiss army knife with a hunting knife. Swiss army knife will never be as good as a hunting knife.
 
john123 said:
What the...?

This is projection if I've ever seen it. Your response was clearly intended to be some sort of refutation, not an agreement. Let's not be revisionist here.
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It seems that you are trying to see what isn't there. I think I was quite explicit about what I said, but I do not mind repeating myself: being interested in a technology as far as exploring what can be done with it (id est filing a patent) does imply being interested in the technology as a source of generating business value. The two gentlemen were arguing about different terms, which is what I wanted to point out. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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dannyyankou said:
This is good. When there’s healthy competition, everyone wins.
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Right now the technorati have been hyping foldable screens as the next big thing after declaring 5G the next big thing. That remains to be seen. The technorati have been majorly wrong on numerous occasions. The nerd mind is almost always 180° of of sync with the mass market. Fawning reviews on C|net often fail to translate into major sales numbers.
 
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If Samsung sells the Galaxy Fold for gazillion dollars, imagine what Apple would ask for the iPhold™️
 
LordVic said:
the ONLY qualifier to my statement on interest was "Passable" interest. the use of passable was intentional and should not be overlooked

hence why I asked you to reread my statement. I made NO claims of business or engineering interest. Only that somewhere in the company, someone thought it was worthwhile to design and submit patents to the effect.

that's what I mean by "passable"

that's why I asked you to reread what I wrote, because ignoring qualifiers in words can change the whole meaning of the setence
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It was "passing", and not particularly relevant because that modifier was not present in the statement you supposedly were going to refute. Filing a patent implies having an engineering interest, as in the company is interested in exploring what can be done with the technology, but from it does not follow that there is an immediate business interest, which is what is implied when the context is about one company being a supplier for another company.

They can't withhold something that Apple is not interested in at this time.
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Heineken said:
Getting desperate.
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You understand that Samsung makes all the iPhone Xs screens right? All that innovation "only Apple" could pull of to make the "awesome, magical" iPhone screens is done by Samsung, all Apple engineers do is go shopping at Samsung.

It's no wonder that Samsung will offer their latest screens for sale. Smartphone sales are a rounding error on Samsung's balance sheet.
 
bladerunner2000 said:
Just like once Apple removed the headphone jack, every Apple fan suddenly was against it! A perfect example of 1984 and groupthink.

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Oh boy... somebody doesn't game and/or doesn't realize how big the gaming industry is.
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I do game actually... none of the games I play even support it. I also don’t know a any people who game with VR. It requires a very and expensive powerful setup to support the graphics and processing that VR demands.
 
dannyyankou said:
Because a phone that unfolds into a tablet is valuable to me. I know some people are dismissing it, but to me it’s innovative. Some things just need to be fine-tuned and improved.
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Don't worry, in 3-5 years Apple will introduce their own version (with a Samsung screen like the current iPhones) and then all the Apple apologists will rave about how "Apple's version" is the most magical innovation ever and well worth the $7,000 price tag.
 
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iKrivetko said:
Filing a patent implies having an engineering interest,
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yes. an interest.

so you agree with me. Apple has shown some interest, even in passing.

I made no claims as to wher Apple was going to release a product of this type. Only that someone, somewhere int he company has thought about it.

I'm really not sure when you're agreeing with me you're being oppositional... its.. bizarre.
 
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Apple's business is said to account for about 25-30% of SD's revenue, and contribute 10% to Samsung's overall profit.

SD is in business to sell displays, as is Samsung's chip division, and Apple is a good customer.

Without additional customers to help amortize the costs of the R&D and production line for these displays, these $2000-2500 phones won't get any cheaper, and that's not beneficial to SD, nor consumers alike.

Consumers are deprived of potentially beneficial new technology, and Samsung may be discouraged from investing further into such new developments.

That's what this news amounts to, no more, no less.
 
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