Maybe that's because they have more important things to do? Clearly they do not see it as a extra important right now and knowing that they hired that dude i bet iOS will introduce some major changes. Baby steps. Worked pretty well so far.
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Maybe that's because they have more important things to do? Clearly they do not see it as a extra important right now and knowing that they hired that dude i bet iOS will introduce some major changes. Baby steps. Worked pretty well so far.
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Yeah why would a company that creates mobile devices want to focus on software thats just plain stupid! Yeah baby steps worked well when their only competition was palm pilots and blackberries but things are different now there competition is increasing on a daily basis I'm sorry but its time for them to step it up a notch and hiring one developer isn't going to cut it!
I hate to say this, I really do, but Apple is slowly loosing the tablet war. I love iOS dont get me wrong but Android has so many features that currently put it leagues ahead of iOS. The iPad is currently for people who do very simple tasks brows the web check email watch media, Android has become the operate system for people who are more teck savvy. But, and this is a big but, Android has no developer interest making it almost DOA and on top of that most Android devices have horrible build quality. The thing is that Android will steadily gain developer interest until its app base is much closer to that of iOS and thats when Apple will have officially lost OS wars. If Apple really wants to blow Android out of the water iOS 5 will have to show an extreme, I mean extreme increase in its feature set. I hate it I really really hate it because the iPad and all Apple products are AMAZING but it seams they have sold them selves short with iOS which pretty much cripples their amazing devices. Just my 2 cents!
I agree.
I was waiting to see if they actually improved the capability of the ipad, but the ipad 2 upgrade was so underwhelming in this respect that I am now looking at the competition.
They could have won over a lot of people with the ipad 2 but they always seem to choose to limit their upgrades so that people will need to keep buying a new one each year.
It's a shame that greed seems to dictate their strategy.
I know that if I bought a tablet that actually was competently specced and allowed me to buy 3g or 4g services openly, I would keep it for more than one year, but that company would earn some respect and loyalty the next time I wanted to buy a tablet.
I'm glad you raised that example. Doctors walking around the hospital, and all other doctors who are finding a use for the iPad are the same doctors who say that they need internet access all the time. In an ambulance, on the way to the hospital is there wifi? Or making a house call? Maybe where you are from doctors stay in hospital all the time, or maybe wifi is everywhere, but if doctors do need access to internet to access medical databases, then I'm pretty sure that they would like to know they can access it anywhere.
But the iPad was clearly designed for casual users, just look at the way the iPad 2 was launched! It's all about editing movies, playing music, facetime, etc. To them I guess 3G doesn't matter, and that plays out in the sales stats where upwards of 60% of iPads sold are the $499 model. But to me that model would be no real use!
Tablets are only compelling for me if I can use them everywhere I want. The non 3G iPad is limited to use in places where I already have access to a real computer.
Just saying, if the iPad isn't doing what you want go ahead and buy the other tablet. No one is stopping you.
It's pretty obvious that people are just not getting the reason behind its popularity. The same way Samsung and other competitors just aren't getting it. It's got it success based on the casual human approach to usability and marketed that way. People say, but the other OS is absolutely no different. That's a load of bull. That's the same mentality that says, "But windows is the same as MacOSX".
Ask some average joe mac-user what it means to defragment their hard drive. Ask them what DLLs are. What they need to do to go into a hardware preference page to check on their driver and hardware status, what a task manager screen is. Ask a typical average joe iOS user what a task manager is. A nice little screen that's nicely a prominent feature of Android. Oooh. Looks cool to those who know what they are. Now average-joe non-tech person will ask, what the heck is this? What do I do with it? Will I mess the thing up messing with these screens? Oh! That's right! I have to learn to think more like a computer!
In fact, I actually talked to a number of people. People who aren't that tech savvy at all. May have learned to use the computer enough to do a few things like Email and perhaps a Word Processor. After they saw the news of the iPad 2 and its features, not once did they even make note of the hardware upgrades other than the cameras it has, that it was thinner and lighter. Yep. That's all they got out of it. But once they saw the software running on it, using those cameras and such in that super thin package, they felt that they just gotta have it. GHZ processors, and internal features they can't see, be darned. You're not speaking their language. They aren't Mac or PC nerds, or some kind of Apple fanatic. They're just people who may only use computers some because there's no way they can avoid them.
Seriously, the point is constantly being missed. And the folks taking this to an all out "uh oh, the industry will be taken by these guys doing exactly what they are doing now" obviously think that the massive iPad sales are going to tech-heads. Nope. Just like the videogame industry, the majority of game-players aren't the hardcore anymore. It's the average joe citizen who used to not be the game-players. It's why it's so brutally obvious why consoles took the majority of game sales, why the Wii was such a huge seller. Computer Savvy folk are in the minority people. Always have been. Still are.
I've also learned that in the music industry as a composer. You can go to school, learn all the techniques you want. You can be a technical knockout in all categories of musicianship. But if you want to catch the most ears, earn the largest fanbase in the shortest amount of time, you shoot for the people who make up the majority of your listening base. The non-musical casual listeners. They want something that speaks to them, that is catchy to the n-th degree, and something they can't help but to follow along. Of course, the true art of that simple yet catchy hook is often exactly what isn't taught at most music schools.
They're there to teach you to be incredibly good at your instruments and other techniques. How to know standardized musical definitions to communicate with other musical people. They don't teach you how to write for the person who doesn't understand music. So you learn to switch gears, or try to incorporate the best of both worlds. The idea of using technique in such a way it doesn't overwhelm the listener, with the catchiest melodies or hooks that fits within your artistic idea (and style) that you can muster out of a song.
It's pretty obvious that people are just not getting the reason behind its popularity. The same way Samsung and other competitors just aren't getting it. It's got it success based on the casual human approach to usability and marketed that way. People say, but the other OS is absolutely no different. That's a load of bull. That's the same mentality that says, "But windows is the same as MacOSX".
Ask some average joe mac-user what it means to defragment their hard drive. Ask them what DLLs are. What they need to do to go into a hardware preference page to check on their driver and hardware status, what a task manager screen is. Ask a typical average joe iOS user what a task manager is. A nice little screen that's nicely a prominent feature of Android. Oooh. Looks cool to those who know what they are. Now average-joe non-tech person will ask, what the heck is this? What do I do with it? Will I mess the thing up messing with these screens? Oh! That's right! I have to learn to think more like a computer!
In fact, I actually talked to a number of people. People who aren't that tech savvy at all. May have learned to use the computer enough to do a few things like Email and perhaps a Word Processor. After they saw the news of the iPad 2 and its features, not once did they even make note of the hardware upgrades other than the cameras it has, that it was thinner and lighter. Yep. That's all they got out of it. But once they saw the software running on it, using those cameras and such in that super thin package, they felt that they just gotta have it. GHZ processors, and internal features they can't see, be darned. You're not speaking their language. They aren't Mac or PC nerds, or some kind of Apple fanatic. They're just people who may only use computers some because there's no way they can avoid them.
Seriously, the point is constantly being missed. And the folks taking this to an all out "uh oh, the industry will be taken by these guys doing exactly what they are doing now" obviously think that the massive iPad sales are going to tech-heads. Nope. Just like the videogame industry, the majority of game-players aren't the hardcore anymore. It's the average joe citizen who used to not be the game-players. It's why it's so brutally obvious why consoles took the majority of game sales, why the Wii was such a huge seller. Computer Savvy folk are in the minority people. Always have been. Still are.
I've also learned that in the music industry as a composer. You can go to school, learn all the techniques you want. You can be a technical knockout in all categories of musicianship. But if you want to catch the most ears, earn the largest fanbase in the shortest amount of time, you shoot for the people who make up the majority of your listening base. The non-musical casual listeners. They want something that speaks to them, that is catchy to the n-th degree, and something they can't help but to follow along. Of course, the true art of that simple yet catchy hook is often exactly what isn't taught at most music schools.
They're there to teach you to be incredibly good at your instruments and other techniques. How to know standardized musical definitions to communicate with other musical people. They don't teach you how to write for the person who doesn't understand music. So you learn to switch gears, or try to incorporate the best of both worlds. The idea of using technique in such a way it doesn't overwhelm the listener, with the catchiest melodies or hooks that fits within your artistic idea (and style) that you can muster out of a song.
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Seriously.
You guys are forgetting the iPad hasn't even been out one year and already it created an entire market. When was the last time someone other than apple has done this? One or two pinpointed features does not make android ahead. You can never make an imitation better than the creator, you'll always be a step behind. Last winter tablets didn't even exist. CES was just microsoft and google waiting to see what apple would do, then they pulled their models and went back to the drawing board. Get your facts straight and do some research instead of just emotionally reacting to your surroundings.
But some people haven't bought the iPad yet, and for some of us the iPad 2 still doesn't do it for us. Perhaps the "one or two pinpointed features" that Android offers are the ones that we need, and that we know, or feel that Apple will never offer with iOS?
Much of the iPad's success is down to the iOS, so I'm not suggesting that it's not good. When the iPad launched iPod and iPhone users knew exactly what it was, and the halo effect was good for the iPad. Apple make nice, clean, simple products, and as foiden said, they appeal to the widest possible range within their target market.
The fact still remains, Samsung might not sell 10 million of these things, but they would sell a few million! There are still some people out there who (for whatever reasons) need or want something in a tablet that the iPad doesn't deliver. It could even be something as simple as not wanting to own the same tablet as everyone else.
"Research" vs "emotionally reacting to surroundings"? Those are the choices? Research is dull!
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the product's quality.
Unless you believe that Kia makes better cars than Bentley, or that McDonald's makes better food than *insert choice of Michelin-starred restaurant*.
Cheap things tend to sell better than expensive things. And that's what EVERY analyst is talking about. Nobody, not a one, is saying that the premium android tablets will outsell the iPad. It's the combination of the dozens of cheap Asian tabs that will move units. So you'll have a ton of people equating Android with low-quality, low performance (yet low price) devices. Not sure that's a winning strategy.
Absolutely brilliant post. 100% spot on, on all counts. The readers of this forum are very far removed from the population as a whole, and what the users of this forum want in a device is very different from what sells in huge numbers. The amazing thing is that even HERE, among the hardest-core geeks in society, there are people that prefer the iOS devices. That's a telling sign -- if Android can't win over all the geeks with their spec-whore devices, how can they even attempt to get the general public excited about them?
best plan for samsung is to give up and save their petty cash and focus on something else. They lose.
This for the all android tablets too. Just focus on ur crappy android phones kthx.
This for the all android tablets too. Just focus on ur crappy android phones kthx.
Yeah, there is that point. I am in the same boat, but I'd never buy an Android tablet or some other knock-off even if it has higher power.
The thing about an iPad tablet is that it ISN'T A FULL DESKTOP in disguise. It's a mobile platform. It's more capable and comfortable than an iPhone. It's quicker to whip-out and turn on than a laptop. It can do 90% of what most people do on Laptops/Desktops, plus a little more (now).
With FinalDraft coming to iPad, all I need here on is the Adobe creative suite and the iPad would be my next desktop. As it is, I am waiting for one of the next versions of the iPad when it ups resolution and storage, there is faster processing, and it contains more features. Then it will become a kind of desktop-portable for me.
For now, it's a great computer for the price. That seems the thing others can't beat: price. Other companies are trying to stuff laptops into little tablets though; they're being stupid about the reason people love the tech of the iPad. It's kind of like the pundits here who bitch about iPods because they can't render CGI on there.
So?
What, you want Apple to custom-design one just for you and a few others?
Apple can't please everyone. Clearly, however, they've created a blockbuster product that's created an entire market and become a runaway hit. And this recent upgrade is solid enough to carry them through to the next one. It'll not only help maintain their position but extend it. If you can't find value in something that has been unanimously agreed to provide value by the industry and the market, then all you're doing is missing out.
Apple is not going to worry about the fraction of the market that won't buy for whatever reason. The usual MR crowd doesn't represent the bulk of the market anyway. Same for a mid-size tower Mac that some of the MR crowd have been wasting time pining away for. Not going to happen. No need for one.
Just get something else then. Maybe a Xoom or the *next* Galaxy Tab.
Though I would love to have one (an iPad, because I don't believe for a second Samsung will match the price and software base) and especially, by the sounds of it, the third generation model, the thing I hear most often from my iPad-owning friends is that they miss their laptop computers. They come bounding back to them with the enthusiasm that they had for the iPad when it came out - but interestingly still use both. When my current laptop dies I will definitely think about getting an iPad 3, but I suspect I will end up with a powerful desktop replacement in the form of a budget i5 laptop with a small SSD drive.
Is that really all you got? Watch on March 11th and March 25th to see how many people don't feel the same as you. Oh, and lets also see if (and now looks highly unlikely) the next Tab launches, how many people actually care.
Why does Macrumors report this as "Samsung going back to the drawing board", yet all other news sources are simply saying "Samsung rethinking pricing" ? Why is it the Tab 10.1 just passed FCC if they're "going back to the drawing board" ?
A few people are jumping the gun quickly here. Just like the Xoom is aggressively priced compared to iPad 2, Samsung will simply do the same instead of their initial, unannounced pricing.
And Honeycomb is light years ahead of iOS. Just like the phone version, the eco system will come. Back in 2009, everyone was laughing at that fledgling smartphone OS as "having no apps, just a iPhone copy-cat". Look where it is at now, rivaling Apple's position in the market and gaining ground much faster than Apple can grow out.
Of course, in 2 years, if Android for tablets does come close to the iPad or overtakes it, the arguments of "Apple is always ahead, competitors should stop trying" will change into "Volume doesn't mean squat, quality > quantity", etc..
This is all a repeat of the same things we read in 2009. Seriously, some of you guys need to let go of Apple a bit. They make nice products and all, but they aren't the only guys around with decent stuff.
A few people are jumping the gun quickly here. Just like the Xoom is aggressively priced compared to iPad 2, Samsung will simply do the same instead of their initial, unannounced pricing.
And Honeycomb is light years ahead of iOS. Just like the phone version, the eco system will come. Back in 2009, everyone was laughing at that fledgling smartphone OS as "having no apps, just a iPhone copy-cat". Look where it is at now, rivaling Apple's position in the market and gaining ground much faster than Apple can grow out.
Of course, in 2 years, if Android for tablets does come close to the iPad or overtakes it, the arguments of "Apple is always ahead, competitors should stop trying" will change into "Volume doesn't mean squat, quality > quantity", etc..
This is all a repeat of the same things we read in 2009. Seriously, some of you guys need to let go of Apple a bit. They make nice products and all, but they aren't the only guys around with decent stuff.
Indeed. Only 0.3% of the population have bought any sort of tablet.
That leaves 99.7% of the population as a market.
Typically, open systems will win out over closed or proprietary systems.
If Apple had marketed OSX as an open system, which anyone could install on their computer, they might have been able to overtake Windows.
What will happen is that an open system like Android will overtake the Apple tablet the same way that it has overtaken ios in the smartphone market.
Apple is hoping that it can keep people upgrading their devices every year rather than offering them a really good tablet that people will keep for several years, but with the world economy struggling, their strategy seems myopic.
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Ehh.. Yes they are..
strange how macbooks are so much more expensive than windows laptops, yet no one can touch ipad's pricing. i wonder what apple's margins are on the ipad.
I don't understand why the consensus is that the tablet market will mirror the smartphone market. The tablet market is much different in distribution so Android tablets can't use carriers to push their tablet as most tablets will not be sold through carriers.
Android tablets also don't get the luxury of lower pricing; no one can seem to compete with Apple here right now. Plus the iPad has the advantage of brand and design while Android tablets are more expensive and arguably uglier.
If the rumours of the iPad 3 in September with the retina display come true I fear that Android tablets will have very little visible advantage to the consumer.
Android tablets also don't get the luxury of lower pricing; no one can seem to compete with Apple here right now. Plus the iPad has the advantage of brand and design while Android tablets are more expensive and arguably uglier.
If the rumours of the iPad 3 in September with the retina display come true I fear that Android tablets will have very little visible advantage to the consumer.
How strange is it ? When a Windows laptop does match a Macbook's spec (all of its specs, including battery life/size/weight), the prices aren't far off. Competitors here aren't trying to create under specced alternatives they can sell cheaper, they are trying to match the iPad's specs and exceed them. They can't undercut the iPad and as much hardware at the same time.
specs
Judging a product based solely on specs is like viewing the world through a toilet paper tube. You can see everything and build an accurate picture with smarts and persistence. The difficulty is that it can lead to errors. While specs will refect upon the user experience they are not the whole of it. We can imagine what it will be like to use something based on its specs. I think the iPad2 is still too heavy and I imagine that the thin edge will be uncomfortable to hold for any lenght of time. I am guessing, I haven't used it. My first iPod was a joy to hold, the way it fit in my palm, the weight of it, the rounded corners. Sure, looking at the dimensions, the radius of the corners could lead you to suspect that it would be nice to hold but it is only a pale shadow of the experience.
How do you explain stereoscopic vision to someone looking through a toilet paper tube? I think you can't- it will remain a theoretical.
Judging a product based solely on specs is like viewing the world through a toilet paper tube. You can see everything and build an accurate picture with smarts and persistence. The difficulty is that it can lead to errors. While specs will refect upon the user experience they are not the whole of it. We can imagine what it will be like to use something based on its specs. I think the iPad2 is still too heavy and I imagine that the thin edge will be uncomfortable to hold for any lenght of time. I am guessing, I haven't used it. My first iPod was a joy to hold, the way it fit in my palm, the weight of it, the rounded corners. Sure, looking at the dimensions, the radius of the corners could lead you to suspect that it would be nice to hold but it is only a pale shadow of the experience.
How do you explain stereoscopic vision to someone looking through a toilet paper tube? I think you can't- it will remain a theoretical.
Here's some good news if you have an iPad with an unlimited data plan and you ARE going to buy an iPad 2:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/05/...fathered-unlimited-ipad-data-plans-on-ipad-2/
and Engadget also took the opportunity to diss the iPad 2.
Tony
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/05/...fathered-unlimited-ipad-data-plans-on-ipad-2/
and Engadget also took the opportunity to diss the iPad 2.
Tony
The game played with traditional computers is for sub par Windows machines to be sold en masse for cheap to subsidize smaller sales of higher end machines that function properly. The system has been in place for some time and the large sales of machines drive down the prices.
For tablets, this scenario has not begun yet. Apple got the jump start and secured volume sales of components. Apple's competitors have the super cheap garbage tablets and the higher end devices. The problem is that the lower end tablets are easily recognized as garbage and being a new product, people are making real assessments of quality. The "Apple vs. Windows" stigma isn't in place. So these cheaper tablets are not selling enough to subsidize the higher end machines that are equivalent to the ipad.