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Id record everything in 4K now. That way when I have a 4K TV I can watch all my memories in glorious 4K action.

I respect that choice, but have to wonder how much 4K video you're going to be able to capture at once. My camera will shoot 720p for close to half an hour at a time. If I shoot at 1080p I only get a few minutes and then have to press (record) again to restart recording. When I'm trying to capture an event I typically leave it set to 720 so I don't miss anything.
 
Yeah, when Apple COPIES someone it's TOTALLY different... in fact Samsung have not copied Apple at all, they have also copied Motorola. But the blind will see it differently.

Again, Copy is to heavy a word here (just as it is when speaking off samsung's finger print reader)..Apple never used the swipe print mechanism and to my knowledge touch ID was the first time that a capacitance fingerprint reader was integrated into a mobile device and Operating system. I am not sure what technology the swipe sensor samsung is using is coming from and who is making it but it would be interesting to see how it compares to the other swipe sensors out in other devices and mobile phones such as the HTC MAX. Samsung's implementation is actually more similar to Motorola and HTC than to apple.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5zt1V7H88I

I would also like to know from other more informed members whether samsung's finger print is integrated into the operating system or just the touch wiz. If i root my phone would the fingerprint mechanism still work?
 
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I respect that choice, but have to wonder how much 4K video you're going to be able to capture at once. My camera will shoot 720p for close to half an hour at a time. If I shoot at 1080p I only get a few minutes and then have to press (record) again to restart recording. When I'm trying to capture an event I typically leave it set to 720 so I don't miss anything.

You can buy a 64GB Micro SD Card for £30.

Roughly 1 hours recording at 4K will take up 22GB.
 
I'd be willing to bet the 'Heart Rate' sensor is just the camera. There have been apps available for the iPhone that turned the camera into a heart rate monitor for years.

No I think it's a specialized sensor, 2 sensors I believe. It emits 2 different wavelengths of light to measure blood flow. I still think the accuracy won't be anything to write home about if you have someone exercising, sweaty, moving, etc.
 
Yes. Mostly because very little of what you would want/need 64bit processing is "required" now. It's future-proofing and a spec to "tout." I am not saying it's not valuable.



1. Point is - it's not there now. Samsung has embraced it.

Most of those features are accessible through apps any way. Apple does not have a wearable device at the moment so does not really need to provide an app that integrates with other devices. Who so ever uses the nike fuelband uses the nike app (nike has a couple of beautiful apps dealing with fitness, i particularly like Nike training ), and pebble users use the pebble app..Samsung has introduced a fitness band and it does more than your nike fuel band (But at what cost? We shall learn about that in a few days) so it makes sense for them to introduce a fitness app that integrates the data from other sources..Apple will most likely come out with a wearable soon and when it does it will have integration into its OS when that happens. Samsung has done it before apple (wearables existed earlier and wearable heartrate monitors have also existed)..I'd give them that..I'll go on and bet that apple will do a much better job with it but thats just my opinion.
 
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Most of those features are accessible through apps any way. Apple does not have a wearable device at the moment so does not really need to provide an app that integrates with other devices. Who so ever uses the nike fuelband uses the nike app (nike has a couple of beautiful apps dealing with fitness. ), and pebble users use the pebble app..Samsung has introduced a fitness band and it does more than your nike fuel band (But at what cost? We shall learn about that in a few days) so it makes sense for them to introduce a fitness app that integrates the data from other sources..Apple will most likely come out with a wearable soon and when it does it will have integration into its OS when that happens. Samsung has done it first..I'd give them that..I'll go on and bet that apple will do a much better job with it but thats just my opinion.

To be fair, Samsung introduced S Health back with the Galaxy S4 and have just improved on it with the S5.

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys4/lifecare.html#page=shealth
 
Most of those features are accessible through apps any way. Apple does not have a wearable device at the moment so does not really need to provide an app that integrates with other devices. Who so ever uses the nike fuelband uses the nike app (nike has a couple of beautiful apps dealing with fitness. ), and pebble users use the pebble app..Samsung has introduced a fitness band and it does more than your nike fuel band (But at what cost? We shall learn about that in a few days) so it makes sense for them to introduce a fitness app that integrates the data from other sources..Apple will most likely come out with a wearable soon and when it does it will have integration into its OS when that happens. Samsung has done it first..I'd give them that..I'll go on and bet that apple will do a much better job with it but thats just my opinion.

Missed some of my point. The point is - the GS5 brings some new things to a phone and/or improvements. Sure other phones might have apps or ways to get the same results - but Samsung has integrated it. It's akin to the fact that you can have multiple browsers on an iPhone - but on Android - you can set a default app. Both phones can view web pages in different apps - but Android allows one to launch automatically. Further - Siri before Apple bought it was sandboxed. Apple INTEGRATED it into the OS and it's more useful than a stand alone app.

I don't really care who gets to say they did it first. But it seems silly for some to say Samsung hasn't done anything here, that they ONLY copy or that Apple's implementation will be better. Because quite frankly - who knows? And who knows WHEN?

It won't hurt anyone (in my opinion) to just give credit where it's due. And be done with it. IE "I'd never buy a Samsung phone - but it looks like they've included some features or options to their new phone..." But no - you have many people still using things like Scamsung, Samesung, etc and going on about the color gold.

Ridiculous (as is my posting the same thing over which makes me somewhat of a hypocrite. Albeit a self-aware hypocrite :) )
 
To be fair, Samsung introduced S Health back with the Galaxy S4 and have just improved on it with the S5.

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys4/lifecare.html#page=shealth

Well all thats well and good..But the real need for such a app will be felt now since they have health related devices that need to be integrated..Apple has had plenty of apps to choose from for health related reasons (health condition, monitoring, fitness and what not). As i said Nike has a few wonderful (and tastefully done) apps that deal with fitness, training and that pair with its device. I really dont see anything that apple can do on top of that app for devices which are made by others (such as nike or pebble). When apple does have a wearable it will have an app that uses all the data, but until that apple users can use a wide selection of health apps for specific purposes

https://itunes.apple.com/us/genre/ios-health-fitness/id6013?mt=8
 
samcraig said:

of course you'd say that as a Samsung fanboy :p just look at your name SAMcraig.

obviously a paid shill by Crapsung Shamesung, and Scumsung.

(this post is in jest, as I believe you are one of the regular unbiased commentators, which automatically means to everyone else you're a shill):cool:
 
of course you'd say that as a Samsung fanboy :p just look at your name SAMcraig.

obviously a paid shill by Crapsung Shamesung, and Scumsung.

(this post is in jest, as I believe you are one of the regular unbiased commentators, which automatically means to everyone else you're a shill):cool:

Thanks. And it always amuses me that people "go there" and accuse me for being a Samsung shill because of the name my parents gave me. And no - they didn't and don't work for Samsung.

They should have had the foresight in the 60s to just name me Mac
 
Sure other phones might have apps or ways to get the same results - but Samsung has integrated it.


And how is this usefull to me if get just the phone and not the wearables? and decide not to keep the phone on me and be constantly checking my HR with it? Will the health app seamlessly integrate with the fuel band? (i really dont know whether it would) or the pebble? As a fuel band user can i delete my nike app when i buy the GS5?.Integration is worth it if you have specific allied devices that go with it such as samsung does now. Its useless if you have no device of your own that integrates it. Dedicated developers are doing an awesome job of producing health apps.

My point was that an app is only required if you have wearables to sell. Without wearables the entire capability can be had from the dozens of apps available on both app store and google play.

It won't hurt anyone (in my opinion) to just give credit where it's due

I am giving samsung credit of making a wearable band and watch that acts as a health and fitness device. They have an app for that aswell. It is a more sophisticated version of the nike fuel band which has a limited capability and task. Is samsung first to come out with a fitness watch or band. NO. Are they the first to have an app for it? NO. Are they the first to integrate it into their pre-loaded software. YES. are they the first to integrate phone features and notifications onto a band. YES. Credit where it is due.

However, does it matter to me an iOS user that samsung has these capabilities , and am I missing on something? Not really..I use a nike fuel band and nike apps. They work fine. I am not in the market for a wearable like the band so i can wait a few months to see what apple does with the iWatch. Should someone leave the iPhone and iOS because samsung now has a fuel band that does heart rate and notification + Music ...Thats a personal decision..personally i'd recommend that most wait to see what google and apple has in this area along with perhaps HTC.
 
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Thanks. And it always amuses me that people "go there" and accuse me for being a Samsung shill because of the name my parents gave me. And no - they didn't and don't work for Samsung.

They should have had the foresight in the 60s to just name me Mac

How do you feel about the phone being physically bigger?
 
are they the first to integrate phone features and notifications onto a band. YES. Credit where it is due.

The i'm watch has been on the market for a few years now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Watch

http://www.imsmart.com/en/i-m-watch/overview

Frankly, I like where Samsung is headed with the fitness only based one (if only for what it means as far as pushing sensor prices lower and lower as the market ramps up), but the idea of making phone calls on a watch seem completely ham-handed in the industry's current approach.
 
The i'm watch has been on the market for a few years now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_Watch

http://www.imsmart.com/en/i-m-watch/overview

Frankly, I like where Samsung is headed with the fitness only based one (if only for what it means as far as pushing sensor prices lower and lower as the market ramps up), but the idea of making phone calls on a watch seem completely ham-handed in the industry's current approach.

I was speaking of a BAND device not a full blown watch. Samsung has also had the original galaxy gear that was introduced last year. I see the band as a nike fuel band replacement for those looking for something that is more functional and works better with some of the phone features provided its priced right.
 
I was speaking of a BAND device not a full blown watch. Samsung has also had the original galaxy gear that was introduced last year. I see the band as a nike fuel band replacement for those looking for something that is more functional and works better with some of the phone features provided its priced right.

Sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were referring specifically to the phone options on the watch and not the band product.

I do agree, I'll give Samsung some credit here as this is a field that is rapidly taking off. I won't buy this particular one because I don't own any Android devices and I'm sure that gen2 of Apple's watch will really blow people away.

Until then I'm more than content with my pebble, but the fitness aspect of smart watches are what really intrigue me, "nudging" technology that encourages people to be more active is probably the only acceptable use of personal tracking devices IMO. As long as the data stays only on the device and your phone, with no interaction to the cloud I see a world of opportunity in automation coming shortly after the first round of smart band/watch devices.
 
Because ios is very secure ;)
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1710512/

Whats that saying about people in glass houses?!

This does not change the fact highlighted here:

The study found that an astonishing 99% of mobile malware attacks were targeted at Android devices. On top of this, users of Android devices encountered other forms of malware such as phishing (stealing data), likejacking (tricking social media users into "liking" a fake post), and forcible redirect (websites that take you straight to malware ads) more than anybody else, at roughly a 71% share.


Source: Cisco's 2014 Annual Security Report

http://www.businessinsider.com/nearly-all-mobile-malware-in-2013-targeted-android-devices-2014-1

Vennix estimates that 70 percent of Android devices are vulnerable to the exploit, based on Google’s figures for the proportion of devices running different versions of Android. And crucially, although Google released a new version of Android with a fix for the underlying bug in November 2012, most devices running the software will likely remain vulnerable to the attack for as long as they remain in use because they will not be updated.

http://www.technologyreview.com/new...or-android-highlights-googles-update-problem/

Apple can address security shortcomings and exploits over a few days and once it does a huge percentage of its user base is protected as the update is downloaded by a very high percentage of its users. Cannot say the same for android

2014-02-0517-00-05-620x287.jpg


http://www.zdnet.com/kitkat-claws-1-8-percent-android-market-share-7000026008/
 
This does not change the fact highlighted here:

The study found that an astonishing 99% of mobile malware attacks were targeted at Android devices. On top of this, users of Android devices encountered other forms of malware such as phishing (stealing data), likejacking (tricking social media users into "liking" a fake post), and forcible redirect (websites that take you straight to malware ads) more than anybody else, at roughly a 71% share.


Source: Cisco's 2014 Annual Security Report

http://www.businessinsider.com/nearly-all-mobile-malware-in-2013-targeted-android-devices-2014-1

Vennix estimates that 70 percent of Android devices are vulnerable to the exploit, based on Google’s figures for the proportion of devices running different versions of Android. And crucially, although Google released a new version of Android with a fix for the underlying bug in November 2012, most devices running the software will likely remain vulnerable to the attack for as long as they remain in use because they will not be updated.

http://www.technologyreview.com/new...or-android-highlights-googles-update-problem/

Apple can address security shortcomings and exploits over a few days and once it does a huge percentage of its user base is protected as the update is downloaded by a very high percentage of its users. Cannot say the same for android

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http://www.zdnet.com/kitkat-claws-1-8-percent-android-market-share-7000026008/

Install from Google Play.
Check ratings/reviews of the app.
Check the permissions it asks for.
Dont deactivate the setting that says "Install apps from unknown sources"
Dont install pirated apps.

In the 5 years ive had android, and known people that have android - no one has ever suffered from malware.
 
Install from Google Play.
Check ratings/reviews of the app.
Check the permissions it asks for.
Dont deactivate the setting that says "Install apps from unknown sources"
Dont install pirated apps.

In the 5 years ive had android, and known people that have android - no one has ever suffered from malware.

So the CISCO study is a big fat lie? Just because you or your friends have not been attacked by malware does not mean that others have not. And of those studied by CISCO 99% of mobile malware attacks were targeted at Android devices..One could publish a study based on one;s own experience and that of one's close friends, but its sample size would probably be insignificant to gain any sort of notoriety.
 
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