Samsung Shares New 'Ingenius' Ads Pitting New Galaxy Note 9 Against iPhone X

[Michael Scrip]

The point was to display how asinine a feature it is. Unless you’re a business CEO holding FaceTime meetings with your board or something, nobody needs the ability to FT 32 people. It’s a fake feature. You’ll never use it.

So don't use it if you don't want to. That doesn't make it a "negative" of the iPhone... especially not one to specifically point out in a commercial.

I don't need to store 10,000 contacts in my iPhone either. But it's not hurting me that it can.

I think the biggest miss from Samsung is no FaceTime at all if you use a Galaxy phone. From what I hear... FaceTime is a beloved feature among iPhone/iPad/Mac users. iMessage too.

Or should we expect GalaxyFace and GalaxyMessage soon?

 

[Heineken]

So don't use it if you don't want to. That doesn't make it a "negative" of the iPhone... especially not one to specifically point out in a commercial.

I don't need to store 10,000 contacts in my iPhone either. But it's not hurting me that it can.

I think the biggest miss from Samsung is no FaceTime at all if you use a Galaxy phone. From what I hear... FaceTime is a beloved feature among iPhone/iPad/Mac users. iMessage too.

Or should we expect GalaxyFace and GalaxyMessage soon?

Gface

 

[Johns12]

Correct. And at that time... Apple was in a weak position in the PC market.

So is Samsung admitting that Apple is actually the stronger competitor? Is their only option to tear-down Apple and point out flaws in the iPhone?

It's funny though... Apple isn't really the cause of Samsung's problems.

Samsung seems to be ignoring all the Chinese manufacturers who are selling similar/better/cheaper Android phones.

I think they're more to blame for Samsung's 10% drop in sales YoY.

Does anyone know if Samsung does ads in other markets competing with the Chinese makers? I don't know. But the constant comments about that got me thinking. They must. I think they can walk a chew gum at the same time. Compete in the high end and still work on fending of the Chinese makers.

I also believe that the lower sales they are having is going to be industry wide in time. That's why Apple is working on building their media presence, increase their services income and do research in many areas we don't even know about. To be honest, they are all doing that.

Unfortunately for me, Apple's very inconsistent updates in the Pro realm has me slowly moving away. I've been using Apple products since 1993.

 

[ZEEN0j]

Can't be worse than this...

Hmm, they did say in the video it didn't work before and has started working now. She also says she inputs his password to get into his phone. I'm thinking worst case scenario is they do have similar looking faces, and each time the phone fails to unlock when it sees her. She inputs the code. What happens here is that face id is staring to learn her face, machine learning. This wouldn't happen if they looked completely different. This shouldn't happen and is something apple could potentially fix but it's a difficult situation that won't happen with most people. No one else but them can unlock it unless they find a third person that look like them.

My guess is if she stops unlocking his phone for a week it will stop working again.

 

[DNichter]

Store models are set up to unlock all faces otherwise how will random customers demo the phone?

Here's the owner of the original video admitting his mistake.

That’s my point, there are flaws in each of our examples. For yours, Face ID trains a new face when you enter the passcode. This could potentially be done pretty easily with similar faces. I’m not saying either option is 100% perfect, because it’s not, but I’m saying the example you keep using all over the forums doesn’t prove that there is a widespread issue with Face ID security.

 

[Heineken]

Hmm, they did say in the video it didn't work before and has started working now. She also says she inputs his password to get into his phone. I'm thinking worst case scenario is they do have similar looking faces, and each time the phone fails to unlock when it sees her. She inputs the code. What happens here is that face id is staring to learn her face, machine learning. This wouldn't happen if they looked completely different. This shouldn't happen and is something apple could potentially fix but it's a difficult situation that won't happen with most people. No one else but them can unlock it unless they find a third person that look like them.

My guess is if she stops unlocking his phone for a week it will stop working again.

That's what happened. Her face is very similar, but not enough to simply unlock, but since she knows the passcode Face Id learned from her face. In real life if random person tried that i would just fail to unlock.

 

[ZEEN0j]

That’s my point, there are flaws in each of our examples. For yours, Face ID trains a new face when you enter the passcode. This could potentially be done pretty easily with similar faces. I’m not saying either option is 100% perfect, because it’s not, but I’m saying the example you keep using all over the forums doesn’t prove that their is a widespread issue with Face ID security.

It isn't an issue. She already has his passcode. And also biometric security is for convenience, it's not foolproof

 

[Heineken]

It isn't an issue. She already has his passcode. And also biometric security is for convenience, it's not foolproof

Face ID problem is faces that are very similar and fall somewhere in the error range, but in real world that other person wouldn't have his passscode and wouldn't be able to train face id to learn that small difference and let unlock with that other face. Non issue.

 

[Applemaniac7]

So don't use it if you don't want to. That doesn't make it a "negative" of the iPhone... especially not one to specifically point out in a commercial.

I don't need to store 10,000 contacts in my iPhone either. But it's not hurting me that it can.

I think the biggest miss from Samsung is no FaceTime at all if you use a Galaxy phone. From what I hear... FaceTime is a beloved feature among iPhone/iPad/Mac users. iMessage too.

Or should we expect GalaxyFace and GalaxyMessage soon?

why are you trying to suggest that an apple branded video calling app is anything different than the multitude of other video calling apps available on all platforms.. FB messenger.and whatsapp basically have the market covered for anyone who wants to video call. Don't try and suggest facetime is Anything better/different..

 

[R3k]

I think the biggest miss from Samsung is no FaceTime at all if you use a Galaxy phone. From what I hear... FaceTime is a beloved feature among iPhone/iPad/Mac users. iMessage too.

Or should we expect GalaxyFace and GalaxyMessage soon?

I barely use FaceTime but i do use iMessage alot.

That said, so many people, particularly outside the US, use Whatsapp. More and more people i know are going there due to its cross platform nature. Also when I travel overseas, iMessage is not used anywhere near as much as in the US and can even have some problems (lag until messages appear and or messages end up going through as an SMS instead). FaceTime- I think someone has tried to FaceTime me just once in the last year. I cant count the number of times Ive been Skyped however.

So i wouldn't call it the biggest miss.

 

[ZEEN0j]

why are you trying to suggest that an apple branded video calling app is anything different than the multitude of other video calling apps available on all platforms.. FB messenger.and whatsapp basically have the market covered for anyone who wants to video call. Don't try and suggest facetime is Anything better/different..

There is a difference though. FaceTime is not just an app, it's built in. Which means you can FaceTime any apple device without having to set anything up. Some people don't and won't download those apps.

 

[Heineken]

I barely use FaceTime but i do use iMessage alot.

That said, more people, particularly outside the US, use Whatsapp. More and more people i know are going there due to its cross platform nature. Also when I travel overseas, iMessage is not used as much and just doesnt work out much of the time (lag until messages appear, things end up going through as an SMS instead). FaceTime- I think someone has tried to FaceTime me just once in the last year. I cant count the number of times Ive been Skyped however.

The only people i know with whatsapp are hookers.
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There is a difference though. FaceTime is not just an app, it's built in. Which means you can FaceTime any apple device without having to set anything up. Some people don't and won't download those apps.

Yeah nobody seems to understand what it means and how it works and why it is so useful without a need to share my phone number and other details with 3rd party apps, not to mention the need to download and setup those apps.

 

[R3k]

The only people i know with whatsapp are hookers

Haha, thanks for sharing.

 

[Heineken]

Haha, thanks for sharing.

But it’s true, most of them are using whatsapp or telegram.

 

[R3k]

But it’s true, most of them are using whatsapp or telegram.

Well obviously the messages hookers send are mission critical. I mean, theyre business people like any other- need reliable communication. All clients don't have iPhones. This conversation is hilarious, heh.

 

[samplez]

When do you guys think apple will follow samsung, like it did with phablets, and allow people to write and sketch on their phones with wacom powered pens? this year? next?

 

[Michael Scrip]

why are you trying to suggest that an apple branded video calling app is anything different than the multitude of other video calling apps available on all platforms.. FB messenger.and whatsapp basically have the market covered for anyone who wants to video call. Don't try and suggest facetime is Anything better/different..

I barely use FaceTime but i do use iMessage alot.

That said, so many people, particularly outside the US, use Whatsapp. More and more people i know are going there due to its cross platform nature. Also when I travel overseas, iMessage is not used anywhere near as much as in the US and can even have some problems (lag until messages appear and or messages end up going through as an SMS instead). FaceTime- I think someone has tried to FaceTime me just once in the last year. I cant count the number of times Ive been Skyped however.

So i wouldn't call it the biggest miss.

Fair enough about FaceTime around the world.

But I get the feeling that these commercials are for the United States audience (?)

It just feels like Samsung is grasping at straws trying to find stuff to blast Apple for. Will I ever talk to 32 people on a FaceTime call? No. But Samsung thinks it's somehow a "negative" that I'm able to.

Notice how Samsung didn't make fun of FaceTime itself.... only its new feature enabling massive multi-person calls.

Seems like a petty thing to call-out.

 

[Piggie]

When do you guys think apple will follow samsung, like it did with phablets, and allow people to write and sketch on their phones with wacom powered pens? this year? next?

Well it would be obvious for Apple to use it's own Stylus is currently sells, but there is a size issue.
The current Apple Stylus, whilst it looks in proportion when used on their tablet, would look a bit large in use on a phone screen.
Perhaps they would make a Stylus Mini as an option ?

 

[sidewinder3000]

If I was 60 I wouldn't take any ad so personal. There's more to life than some silly educational ads.

???

 

[mejsric]

When do you guys think apple will follow samsung, like it did with phablets, and allow people to write and sketch on their phones with wacom powered pens? this year? next?

if happens, that will completely kill Samsugns

 

[sidewinder3000]

Well when it comes to advertising, I'm just the little man in the street and whilst I agree they are not the best ads in the world. I did find them funny. As to the impact to the brand, personally, I couldn't see the damage they would cause. But then I'm not in advertising. Funny that. I guess we all see things in different ways.

The best thing about a sense of humor is that everyone gets to have their own. If you think they’re funny, that’s cool.

 

[AppleFan910]

Not that I think Samsung phone is more "powerful" w/e that means, but benchmarks, specifically CPU benchmarks on a mobile platform are absolutely worthless since no mobile phone can sustain high CPU usage for any prolonged period of time before thermal throttling. On that note, having an external sd card, stylus etc is def more useful than CPU benchmark (if you need those things to begin with). The only real benefit of a Samsung phone in my opinion is the superior wireless chip. Intel's chip is just plain bad in comparison.

The point is, is all the Samsung’s loyalists here seem to think the note 9 is a high end phone, and calling iPhone X a mid tier phone. That’s absolutely ridiculous. The year old iPhone has better performance across many benchmarks and will stand the test of time. There is NOTHING NEW in the Note 9. Except a Bluetooth stylus. It’s an overpriced S9+. And with a bigger screen. I agree Samsung displays are beautiful. But the whole fragmented android system, lack of customer service/support, lack of updates turns me off. Point is the A11 chip is faster still, than a new Note. A fair comparison would be with the new iPhones coming out. With iOS 12 focusing on speed, it’s not going to even be fair. Sorry Samsung, you can make fun of Apple with your ads but your devices will never be on apples level.

 

[nofunsir]

Apple might as well just introduce pencil support. Hush those at Samsung and improve usage for their own users in one foul swoop.

Lol Fell swoop.

 

[Applemaniac7]

There is a difference though. FaceTime is not just an app, it's built in. Which means you can FaceTime any apple device without having to set anything up. Some people don't and won't download those apps.

You don't have to set anything up you say? .. so when you buy a new iPhone it knows who you are without having to enter any icloud details or any apple ids? Interesting..

 

[Heineken]

You don't have to set anything up you say? .. so when you buy a new iPhone it knows who you are without having to enter any icloud details or any apple ids? Interesting..

So? Setting up iCloud is part of new iPhone setup, but after that you don’t need to setup anything and download anything. That’s the point.