So you do have to set something up to use FaceTime, thanks for clearing that up.. ps. Downloading one app sure is a pain isn't it, I feel for all the poor souls who have wasted literally seconds of their life doing such a thing..
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Samsung Shares New 'Ingenius' Ads Pitting New Galaxy Note 9 Against iPhone X
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With 1.5 billion users, it safe to say that it's not only hookers using whatsapp.
How many people use facetime?
Petty, petty, petty. It's part of setting up the phone for use. Not an extra 'thing' to add. Never had the misfortune to have any Android device, but I'm betting there is still some personalisation to do when starting up.
Many years ago when in sales training, I was told that belittling your competitor's products is not good sales technique. Better to sell the features and benefits of your products. After all, don't you want the buyer to be focussed on you?
Regardless, it’s a free software feature which is going to be pushed to a huge number of iOS devices next month. The ad has accomplished nothing except advertise to consumers that iOS 12 will sport such a feature.
Not to mention this feature has value even if I don’t have 31 other people to FaceTime with. It means I can finally FaceTime with two or more other users. 32 is just the theoretical maximum.
Apple doesn’t do ads showing how silly it is to be able to see the inside of your fridge for this simple reason. It’s just free advertising for the competition, and accomplished nothing for your own brand.
Samsung is practically the poster boy for cramming their devices full of half-baked software gimmicks. The irony here is too thick to ignore.
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How do you know it's a misfortune to have sonething you've never had before? Very strange..
Y'know what I like about my iPhone? If the phone rings and it's in another room, I can answer the call on my MacBook Pro, my iPads or iPod. Another thing I like: When I take photos, they're immediately available in large format on my iPads and MacBook Pro. I also like the fact that I can control my iPhone music with my Apple watch. My car is too old to have Apple or Android Play, and I'm not wasting money to replace a perfectly good car that I enjoy just so I can connect it to a smartphone. I purchase Kindle books on one device and it's immediately available on all devices, and the Kindle app keeps track of the latest page read on all devices.
Now I'm sure someone will say "B-but, Android does that too", but I've never seen anyone use features like these. The integration that Apple has among its devices is one reason that I keep buying their products.
Now I'm sure someone will say "B-but, Android does that too", but I've never seen anyone use features like these. The integration that Apple has among its devices is one reason that I keep buying their products.
There is more to it than just having a stylus. None of those are actually a simple plastic stylus, they are actually Active pens, which have electronics within them. If Apple were to adopt the Wacom technology used in the S-Pen, they would also need to include circuitry to inductively charge them within the screen surface.
I don't think requiring users to charge a smaller pen from the lighting port, would go over well with the mainstream. Especially since the inductive technology to energize it could be licensed from Wacom, like Samsung does.
Youre not gonna sale me on going back too a stylus been there done that why not bring back WAP web browsers while we at it
We all know what they are. But most people think that such purely negative ads are stupid. How are people affected?
Samsung fanboys: They love it. They have a Samsung phone. They are not buying another one because of this. Apple fanboys: Whatever little chance there was to switch them to Samsung, that's now gone. Regular Samsung customers: They find these ads somewhere between childish and confusing and may have a closer look at iPhones and maybe switch. Or they decide to switch to an Android phone from a company that acts more adult. Regular iPhone users: They find these ads insulting. If they ever switch to Android, there's one company they are not going to switch to, and that's Samsung. Non-Samsung Android customers: They find these ads somewhere between childish and confusing. They may have a look at iPhones because of the ad, but they are definitely not looking at Samsung products.
So all in all, these ads affect Samsung sales negatively. Like in the previous quarter, when Samsung lost over ten million phone sales to other Android manufacturers. Like the embarrasing "stalker" advert for their smart watch.
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Falling sales indeed. Lol. At this rate, Samsung will not be number 1 for long, and not number 2 either. There is one company that isn't helped by these ads, and that is Samsung. Apple and a whole bunch of Android makers other than Samsung like these adverts (from a financial point of view).
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I find Samsung hilarious. Not being able to sell their high end phones, and advertising Apple phones, while driving their own customers away to other Android makers.
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If I have your passcode, then all your security is gone. If I have your passcode and access to your phone, then I don't need Face ID "training", I just wipe your face from the phone and change the passcode and you'll never get in again. Guys, the _passcode_ is the real security barrier. If you give your passcode to anyone, then as far as security is concerned, you lost.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, you never see an Apple ad slating another company.
For me personally, this goes a long way to influencing my decision making when choosing a product.
For me personally, this goes a long way to influencing my decision making when choosing a product.
"The relatives claim" that someone with very deep pockets is at fault. Evidence: Zero.
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That was Steve Jobs, and everybody knew that what he said was the absolute and unchangeable truth - until he changed his mind.
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I actually saw that in Thailand, where they have stores selling decent quality handbags that look very much like much more expensive ones, and they have a few originals in the store and they actually show you the differences. The argument basically "you can buy this really excellent handbag, or you can buy ours which looks almost exactly the same, and is almost exactly the same quality, for much less money". It works. If they told you "Gucci handbags are rubbish", then people would say "so why should I buy something that looks almost the same as a rubbish handbag?"
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Nonsense. Nobody is comparing Samsung's products to Apple's. People find these ads between annoying, confusing, and disgusting. Some fanboys find them funny, but most people find them just off-putting. And in most cases, you don't want customers to compare, especially the ones with Samsung phones, because they might leave.
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Actually, the trackpad on my MacBook works very much lke a touchscreen. Actually better, because I don't need to lift my hands, and the hands are not between my eyes and the screen. Everything works with minimal finger movement.
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More important, if it works with 32 people then you can be sure that it works for you and your two buddies. If it said "up to four users" then you would be worried.
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Nerds with iPhones wouldn't be seen dead at a Samsung store. Wait, where do you find a Samsung store?
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Entering your Apple ID sets you up for all Apple services at once. That’s simple and appealing to everyone. It’s not painful to download a new app, create a login in, and share that information with others, but in the end a lot of people just don’t and prefer to use built in services. That makes FaceTime useful. Does Samsung have their own alternative? There’s a reason FaceTime is a well known name for video calling. It’s a standard amongst a large base of people.
Since “Why would anyone want to do that?” is now a valid arguement for phone features, can I say that about the Note’s stylus? Or maybe the edge screen feature? Or the rootable OS? I could go on...
I agree, the pencil will come eventually. You’re right about the rest too, the best platform just keeps on getting better. Many ridicule Apple for being late to the game on features, but it ultimately just builds on a platform with what many consider the best when it comes to performance, privacy, and security. I’m happy to have more features come to the iPhone, regardless of when they come. I just don’t find the platform lacking without them due to its own enormous strengths.
Those are genuinely terrible. Bad marketing, not memorable, a bit insulting, and ignorant. Samsung should be aiming at other android competitors.
Edit: why would anyone want to use a stylus with their phone? People that think like this must have missed the Palm/PDA era. It is not helpful, convenient, or useful. But you can get a stylus and use it with your iPhone if you want.
Edit: why would anyone want to use a stylus with their phone? People that think like this must have missed the Palm/PDA era. It is not helpful, convenient, or useful. But you can get a stylus and use it with your iPhone if you want.
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I knew if I searched hard enough I'd find the person happy with no separate headphone jack! There you are
"The genius bar then points out that on iOS 12, you can FaceTime up to 32 people. "Why would I ever want to do that though?" asks the customer."
Well for a start when you have elderly parents, it can be good to have a "family Chat" with all your siblings so that you all know about their health issues, planned retirement village options, hospital care requirements, etc etc etc.
With family spread across multiple countries, this is the best way to do it.
Well for a start when you have elderly parents, it can be good to have a "family Chat" with all your siblings so that you all know about their health issues, planned retirement village options, hospital care requirements, etc etc etc.
With family spread across multiple countries, this is the best way to do it.
Samsung today uploaded new ads in its ongoing "Ingenius" series that makes fun of the Apple Genius Bar and pits the iPhone X against Samsung's Galaxy devices.
In the first ad, called "Power," a customer tells the "genius" that the Galaxy Note is "really powerful." "You know what I think is powerful?" the genius replies. "Being able to unlock your phone with your face." "It does that too," the customer replies.
The genius bar then points out that on iOS 12, you can FaceTime up to 32 people. "Why would I ever want to do that though?" asks the customer.
In the second ad, entitled "Pen," a customer comes into the "ingenius bar" and asks about the difference between the Apple Pencil and the S Pen that comes with the Galaxy Note 9. "Well, the Apple Pencil only works on the iPad," says the genius. "Okay, so what can I use on my phone?" asks the customer. "Uh... your finger?" replies the genius.
Samsung's newest ads in the "Ingenius" series are promoting the Galaxy Note 9, a device that it launched just yesterday. The 6.4-inch Galaxy Note 9 is equipped with a Snapdragon 845 processor, which has been bested by the iPhone X, along with an iris scanner at the front and a fingerprint sensor at the back.
It works with the S Pen stylus, and while some rumors have suggested Apple is exploring an Apple Pencil option for the iPhone, it's not clear if that's something that will ever happen.
Samsung has shared several ads in the Ingenius series, making fun of the iPhone X's notch, lack of SD card, lack of multitasking capabilities, and the fact that there's no headphone jack, while highlighting the the faster LTE speeds and camera in the Galaxy S9.
Article Link: Samsung Shares New 'Ingenius' Ads Pitting New Galaxy Note 9 Against iPhone X
You mean other than their 4 year Mac vs PC ad campaign?
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The iPad has a pencil. And there are third party styli for iPhones that sell very well. And iPhone jail breaks were regular rights of passage until recently.
I own an iPhone X, but I have played with the new Note on and off, well before its launch date. There are a couple of features the pen now has built-in and work via bluetooth that many will actually find useful. The biggest being, it is a remote for the camera. 2 clicks on the pen's button takes a photo from up to 50 feet away. Do you know how many women buy add-ons in order to get this feature on their current phone? It's a staggering number. Speaking of which, the camera on the Note is better than the iphone's. And the slow-mo is miles better than the iPhone X's.
But anyway, the S-Pen isn't just for writing on the phone anymore.
Regardless of the benefits, I don't give two craps about photo or video, so for me it means nothing, but for a lot of people it is a huge consideration in what they choose. So, why would anyone need or want a stylus on their phone? Well, I just gave you one big reason.
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I agree. While no one is likely to have 32 people on facetime, I think you could easily have quite a few people on simultaneously. In fact, where I work, we will be using this feature in my department to do our virtual meetings, since we all use iPhones. Facetime is 10x better than what we currently use, which has a 1 second latency once you have 10 or more people dialed in.
Although, I did try this feature recently and it doesn't work in iOS12 Beta 5. It will allow you to add people to your Facetime call, but it will then drop the person you were on Facetime with and pick up with the person you were trying to add into the call. Still has bugs to work out I guess.
Poor dude. You could have done it long ago using one of the many apps thatcan do it (like Google hangouts) if you weren't a stubborn Apple fan whoo had to wait for a tool from Apple. There is really no reason to panish yourself.
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Don't you see how strange this sound? You either want the features or you don't. But if you do, don't you want them sooner rather than later?
And it's a niche within the iPad market, which is a niche within the IOS market. Steve's point stands.
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No. You want them done right, treating you as a valued customer instead of turning you into the product and violating your security.
There are advantages to having a preinstalled app, such as not having to ensure that the other parties have those apps on their devices. For example, if I know that the three other people I wish to have a video conference with are all using iPhones, then we are good to go. No need to make sure they have Skype or hangouts installed and set up first.
Same with airdrop, which makes passing of files around a breeze. M
Uniformity has its perks.