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That rule of thumb works for people. Why not electronics?
That's for all people who love to bully/ body shame fat people.

Its so gross that if something is fat, its bad... That's such a terrible misconception ingrained in people's mind. Either someone was born using a thin iPhone era and cannot see any prior phones before iPhone era...
 
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They used lighting in the video and on the stage to try to downplay the impact of how massive it was. You bought the disguise story? :rolleyes:
Why on earth would they lie? Either it looks like it does or it doesn’t? And when it comes out next year wouldn’t it still look like how it looked on stage if that’s how it really looks?

They have no need to lie. They could have just left it as wow look at this foldable display.

In the slides they showed afterwards they said it had the thinnest display they had ever made.
 
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That's for all people who love to bully/ body shame fat people.

Its so gross that if something is fat, its bad... That's such a terrible misconception ingrained in people's mind. Either someone was born using a thin iPhone era and cannot see any prior phones before iPhone era...

Gee, it’s almost like you were baiting with your earlier post so you could white knight for larger people. :rolleyes:

I generally don’t find larger people attractive, what a monster I must be.

Try to stay on topic here. The discussion is about Samsung’s new foldable phone/tablet. You should try Twitter if you want to push your own world beliefs/agendas on to others.
 
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Innovative, but I'm not interested. I hope Apple will continue to make an XS sized model for a long time.
 
So your phone converts to a tablet/ vice-versa.... that did not demonstrate the true innovation of this???

Sure, it is slightly fat (to all the body image negatives in the world), but, tech improves over time.

Folding is not an innovation. Creating a phone that folds and that people want would be innovative. Samsung may have done it, but they haven't yet demonstrated that people will want this phone.

It was not slightly fat. It was *too* fat. And other questions about desirability (weight, battery life, reliability) were not addressed.
 
Innovative, but I'm not interested. I hope Apple will continue to make an XS sized model for a long time.

Same here. I prefer having two different devices that excel at different things. Combining my phone and tablet together means that neither excels at being a phone or a tablet. With both combined I would also have a singular device that I’m interacting with and draining the battery on, having to charge it multiple times to make it through a single day.
 
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Why on earth would they lie? Either it looks like it does or it doesn’t? And when it comes out next year wouldn’t it still look like how it looked on stage if that’s how it really looks?

They have no need to lie. They could have just left it as wow look at this foldable display.

In the slides they showed afterwards they said it had the thinnest display they had ever made.

There are 3 screens, and the front and inside screens were both shown, so we can see the thickness of at least half the phone. All subsequent depictions indicated symmetry, which would make sense for laying it on a table. So, it seems pretty clear the thing is fat!
 
No it's not that, Apple simply can't develop a foldable screen phone before Samsung no matter how much they try.
Samsung is in a unique position of being able to design, develop and manufacture the best mobile screens on the market. They've been working on this longer than any of their competitors(including Apple). This is why they are the first to launch a viable folding screen device.
Yeah, and that is capital intensive, largely low margin business. Apple is by design not a component maker. It’s a terrible business. Far better usiness to use suppliers with custom specs. Apple has managed the best silicon in the industry without having to build a foundry. It’s all about the design and architecture.

The screens they make for Apple also test better than their own screens, speaking to Apple’s superior design parameters, tolerances, or both.
 
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Folding is not an innovation. Creating a phone that folds and that people want would be innovative. Samsung may have done it, but they haven't yet demonstrated that people will want this phone.

It was not slightly fat. It was *too* fat. And other questions about desirability (weight, battery life, reliability) were not addressed.
They did address reliability. They said you could fold it over and over and it wouldn’t break. They will address all those things when they announce it properly next year.
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Yeah, and that is capital intensive, largely low margin business. Apple is by design not a component maker. It’s a terrible business. Far better usiness to use suppliers with custom specs. Apple has managed the best silicon in the industry without having to build a foundry. It’s all about the design and architecture.

The screens they make for Apple also test better than their own screens, speaking to Apple’s superior design parameters, tolerances, or both.
Well that’s not strictly true because the note 9 and the S9 plus had a better screen than the X and I expect the S10 will have a better display than the Xs. I think most companies would rather design and manufactur their own products because it would keep costs down and they could be in control of the entire process.
 
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Yup, innovate every year with 0.000005 thickness reduction... and claim its the fastest/ most innovative thing...

Converting this Phone to a Tablet is true innovation of how devices in future may be. Will it fly? No idea. But, atleast its the first step letting others start/ play catchup.

For Apple: innovation = marketing.
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So according to you, anything fat cannot every be beautiful?
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Ahh, well said.

/s/s/s/s/s

I am not sure what you're getting at here. Yes, if Apple feels like they can bring a compelling product to the market using this screen tech, they will. The key is that they will only do so if the tech matures to a point where it isn't compromised by poor build quality, performance, battery life, apps, and software.
 
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Exactly. I can’t wait for Apple to release a functional, easy-to-use phone with this technology and a decent OS. That is what you meant, right?

Agreed. With Samsung it’s just tech for tech’s sake. When and tbh if Apple ever use it, it will be because they’ve found a user friendly, useful, and seamless way of implementing it.
 
Those Apple products still sell relatively well. Samsung isn't a major player when it comes to tablets or laptops, so it doesn't really matter much to them if they cannibalize their own products. Apple has shown to do this as well, but it has to be worth it and provide compelling value (iPod cannibalized by iPhone). I don't think we are anywhere close to compelling value when it comes to a folding phone/tablet.
Samsung are the second biggest selling tablet manufacturer. They aren’t selling anywhere near as many as many as Apple but they are selling more than anyone else.
 
They did address reliability. They said you could fold it over and over and it wouldn’t break. They will address all those things when they announce it properly next year.

Yes, that's true. They addressed the reliability of the folding screen itself, but not the phone in general. And sure, they will address other questions when it is released. The point stands that they have not yet disclosed enough information -- particularly with respect to size and weight -- to determine if people will want it; i.e. if it really is innovative.
 
It's ugly. The lights were turned off on purpose so as to hide its flaws. It's just theatre. Samsung claiming they have some new technology when it's not yet ready for public consumption. Nothing to be jealous about.


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Samsung are the second biggest selling tablet manufacturer. They aren’t selling anywhere near as many as many as Apple but they are selling more than anyone else.

Sure, but it's not really their sweet spot or bread and butter let's say. iPad is synonymous with tablet at this point. Android tablets have essentially failed because of the lack of OS focus and apps. I think what Samsung really wants is to dethrone the iPhone. Whether or not they can create a compelling product to do so, hasn't been seen yet. The screen tech is cool, but putting it all into a package that is pocket-able, has flagship phone performance, battery life, app support, and software is a tall order. I don't have confidence they'll get it right early, but I commend them for starting the process.
 
They did address reliability. They said you could fold it over and over and it wouldn’t break. They will address all those things when they announce it properly next year.
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Well that’s not strictly true because the note 9 and the S9 plus had a better screen than the X and I expect the S10 will have a better display than the Xs. I think most companies would rather design and manufactur their own products because it would keep costs down and they could be in control of the entire process.
Where were they tested better? DisplayMate says the XS Max was the best display they tested, after the Note 9 was released.

Based on our extensive Lab Tests and Measurements the iPhone XS Max receives our DisplayMate Best Smartphone Display Award, earning DisplayMate's highest ever A+ grade by providing considerably better display performance than other competing smartphones.

No, most smart companies don’t want to manufacture their own components. That’s what almost killed Apple. Supply chain management and low capital expenditure are what keep Apple so profitable (the most valuable and profitable company in the world). The Apple strategy works.
 
Yes, that's true. They addressed the reliability of the folding screen itself, but not the phone in general. And sure, they will address other questions when it is released. The point stands that they have not yet disclosed enough information -- particularly with respect to size and weight -- to determine if people will want it; i.e. if it really is innovative.
I don’t think innovation is really about whether people want it or not. It’s about driving something forward and doing things that wasn’t previously possible.

We have to wait and see what they actually deliver when it comes out.
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Where were they tested better? DisplayMate says the XS Max was the best display they tested, after the Note 9 was released.

Based on our extensive Lab Tests and Measurements the iPhone XS Max receives our DisplayMate Best Smartphone Display Award, earning DisplayMate's highest ever A+ grade by providing considerably better display performance than other competing smartphones.

No, most smart companies don’t want to manufacture their own components. That’s what almost killed Apple. Supply chain management and low capital expenditure are what keep Apple so profitable (the most valuable and profitable company in the world). The Apple strategy works.
I said the S9 plus and the note 9 were tested better than the X, not the max.
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Sure, but it's not really their sweet spot or bread and butter let's say. iPad is synonymous with tablet at this point. Android tablets have essentially failed because of the lack of OS focus and apps. I think what Samsung really wants is to dethrone the iPhone. Whether or not they can create a compelling product to do so, hasn't been seen yet. The screen tech is cool, but putting it all into a package that is pocket-able, has flagship phone performance, battery life, app support, and software is a tall order. I don't have confidence they'll get it right early, but I commend them for starting the process.
Samsung can’t dethrone the iPhone as much as they want to and this isn’t the product to do it with.
 
Except Apple didn't change the design of Samsung's panels for the iPhone. Pixel arrangement, all the same as those used in Galaxy devices.
Apple created new software to improve performance and color accuracy of a Samsung AMOLED panel.

The panels used in the iPhone Xs Max are slightly larger, but have a slightly lower resolution.
Xs Max is 6.5" (2688 x 1242 @456 PPI ) vs 6.4" on the Note 9 (2960 x 1440 @515 PPI).
Apple did a fantastic job tuning the displays. I love the display on my Xs.

It’s more about the implementation of a design than its specifications in the majority of real world applications. Be it an OLED, or a agricultural tillage device.
 
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The reason it’s thick is because the display does not fold flat. There has to be room for the curve of the display.
 
I don’t think innovation is really about whether people want it or not. It’s about driving something forward and doing things that wasn’t previously possible.

Building something people want is not by itself a criterion for innovation, I agree.

But neither is the folding concept innovative by itself. It's obvious. Folding phones are 90s, and Microsoft had a folding tablet concept a long time ago.

If single folding screens have not been made before it is not for the lack of the idea, but because technology did not permit it to be done in a way that is useful -- i.e. that people want.

So, yes, the technology for a single folding display is innovative, but that's a feature of amoled screens, which have been around for a while. Finding a suitable screen cover also requires innovation, and maybe Samsung has done it, but they did not demonstrate it. Yes it folds, and yes you can see the screen through it, but any plastic would serve that function. How it resists scratching, allows multi-touch, etc, we have yet to hear. Beyond that, building a folding phone is easy. Making it desirable -- thin enough with 3 layers of screen, and with enough battery life without being too heavy -- is what will require innovation. Again, Samsung may have done it. They haven't shown it yet.
 
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