Samsung to Launch New Galaxy Note 9 a Month Before Apple is Expected to Unveil New 2018 iPhones

[Shanghaichica]

I don't know why Samsung even bothers, they don't sell very many of their flagship phones do they?

60-80 million is worth the effort each year I’d say.
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And?
Wouldn't selling that many phones, even if you miss your targets, be a reason to continue manufacturing them?
If Samsung are doing poorly then everyone but Apple should just give up right?
They still sell the most phones of anyone, worldwide.
No one will touch Apple in the profits game, but for sheer numbers, Samsung still rules the roost, by a large margin.

If you can't see why they would bother to continue making flagships then I guess.. um.. stick to reading BGR maybe?

Yep because only selling 50-60 million flagship priced phones a year is clearly not worth getting out of bed for is it.

So what do we say about the likes of google, htc and LG who only about 6-7 million phones a year. I guess they are philanthropists then.

 

[aleni]

Couldn't agree more.

This community is turning into apple cult.

 

[geromi912]

No big deal, it's rumored to be the same as the Note 8. Just like the S9 was the same as the S8. I don't see any of them outselling iPhone's anytime soon.

Because iPhone 6 6s 7 and 8 are vastly different?

 

[elvislives]

New feature BBQ starter...

 

[jimmy_uk]

New feature BBQ starter...

2016 called......

 

[FFR]

60-80 million is worth the effort each year I’d say.
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Yep because only selling 50-60 million flagship priced phones a year is clearly not worth getting out of bed for is it.

So what do we say about the likes of google, htc and LG who only about 6-7 million phones a year. I guess they are philanthropists then.

It’s 30 million for the s9 s9 plus right now not 80 million, that number could go down if sales drop further.

Note 8 hasn’t even reach 10 million units.
Those numbers are shrinking both numbers are shrinking yoy.

Lg sells about 55 million a year mostly at a loss.

Smartphones never made up a huge portion of lg revenue, in fact they have consecutively lost money. It doesn’t look like they care.

iPhone loyalists are driving us crazy, admits LG
https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-loyalists-are-driving-us-crazy-admits-lg/

Google about 3.9 million.
But that’s not going to change, pixel/nexus was never meant to make money but showcase the the android.

HTC, they weren’t doing so well...so google bought most of the smartphone division about 2000 employees.

Do ignore my previous examples of Nokia, BlackBerry and Motorola.

 

[DNichter]

Because iPhone 6 6s 7 and 8 are vastly different?

No, but the X was released last year, which is vastly different. Plus, the 7 and 8 still outsell Samsung's latest phones.
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Yeah, because outselling the iPhone is the point for any consumer looking at this device. Smh

I'd imagine it's the point for Samsung.

 

[Klyster]

Note 8 hasn’t even reach 10 million

Where'd you read that? BGR?
I vaguely remember hearing 10 million sales being thrown around months ago.

Also, the S9 and plus have only been available since March, there's 8-9 months left until you can put a figure to annual sales numbers.

 

[FFR]

Errrr, Apple didn't met targets for the iPhone X either. But don't bother presenting both sides of the argument that would be silly....

https://bgr.com/2018/03/07/iphone-x-sales-estimates-2018/

Somebody doesn’t know the difference between internal projected forecasts and an anylyst forecast.

Hint: they are not the same thing.

And Bgr is supposed to be bad or something.


According to your article between November and April Apple sold 55-65 million iPhone X @ £999-£1149. Compared to Samsung which only sold 40 million s8/s8plus for the entire year compared to peak galaxy sales with the s4 @ 80 million units for its first year.

How is that bad for apple?

At the end of the day how many units sold is not directly related to what device is better, the S9 is a superior device to the iPhone X and thats all I care about. The Note 9 will be a great phone!

Ok so units sold doesn’t have any bearing on a device but your opinion is the gold standard.
Hypocritical to say the very least.

 

[FFR]

Where'd you read that? BGR?
I vaguely remember hearing 10 million sales being thrown around months ago.

Also, the S9 and plus have only been available since March, there's 8-9 months left until you can put a figure to annual sales numbers.

yeah 10 million units for the note 8 was a forecast, they never hit it.

I didn’t put a figure. Samsung did.
Internal projections were 40 million units for the year, revised down to 30 million, but that’s not set in stone, it can further be revised depending on sales or lack there of.

You got to let it go bgr was just breaking a story on the note 7 exploding. You shouldn’t take it personally.

 

[Shanghaichica]

It’s 30 million for the s9 s9 plus right now not 80 million, that number could go down if sales drop further.

Note 8 hasn’t even reach 10 million units.
Those numbers are shrinking both numbers are shrinking yoy.

Lg sells about 55 million a year mostly at a loss.

Smartphones never made up a huge portion of lg revenue, in fact they have consecutively lost money. It doesn’t look like they care.

iPhone loyalists are driving us crazy, admits LG
https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-loyalists-are-driving-us-crazy-admits-lg/

Google about 3.9 million.
But that’s not going to change, pixel/nexus was never meant to make money but showcase the the android.

HTC, they weren’t doing so well...so google bought most of the smartphone division about 2000 employees.

Do ignore my previous examples of Nokia, BlackBerry and Motorola.

The S9/S9 + will end up selling 40-50 million by the end of its run and the note 9 will sell between 10-20 million.

 

[Klyster]

yeah 10 million units for the note 8 was a forecast, they never hit it.

I didn’t put a figure. Samsung did.
Internal projections were 40 million units for the year, revised down to 30 million, but that’s not set in stone, it can further be revised depending on sales or lack there of.

You got to let it go bgr was just breaking a story on the note 7 exploding. You shouldn’t take it personally.

So you've got the sales numbers right? Like a link with sales numbers?

RE: BGR, I'm not holding onto anything, I just find it laughable when they are used as a verification for anything..click...bait..

https://bgr.com/2018/06/26/android-vs-iphone-secret-settings-increase-android-speed/

lol "secret" oooooh

 

[Shanghaichica]

Somebody doesn’t know the difference between internal projected forecasts and an anylyst forecast.

Hint: they are not the same thing.

And Bgr is supposed to be bad or something.


According to your article between November and April Apple sold 55-65 million iPhone X @ £999-£1149. Compared to Samsung which only sold 40 million s8/s8plus for the entire year compared to peak galaxy sales with the s4 @ 80 million units for its first year.

How is that bad for apple?






Ok so units sold doesn’t have any bearing on a device but your opinion is the gold standard.
Hypocritical to say the very least.

So yes selling 40 million high end smartphones is not something to be sniffed at it is. They are never going to sell as many as the iphone. However 40-50 million (using your own figures), isn’t something to pack up and go home over.

Or are you implying that all smartphone makers apart from Apple should just give up and leave apple to get on with it???

 

[torana355]

Somebody doesn’t know the difference between internal projected forecasts and an anylyst forecast.

Hint: they are not the same thing.

And Bgr is supposed to be bad or something.


According to your article between November and April Apple sold 55-65 million iPhone X @ £999-£1149. Compared to Samsung which only sold 40 million s8/s8plus for the entire year compared to peak galaxy sales with the s4 @ 80 million units for its first year.

How is that bad for apple?

http://www.newsweek.com/iphone-x-sales-are-less-half-apple-expectations-814039

Im just picking one of the many articles on this subject. My point is you to say Samsung have not met sales expectations with the S9 (which is true) when its well publicised that the iPhone X has had the same troubles. Now of Course when it comes to profits Apple is in its own league, the mark-ups they put on their hardware in combination with the power of the Apple name mean they make a killing. So many people have no idea about technology but buy iPhones because they are "cool" to own. Other companies can release a superior phone in every aspect and they still would not sell as many as Apple due to Brand name alone.
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Ok so units sold doesn’t have any bearing on a device but your opinion is the gold standard.
Hypocritical to say the very least.

No, the S9 is objectively the better device in many key areas. Do you really want me to list them again? Ive already done so in another thread.

 

[lewdvig]

Despite having bad memories of Samsung's user interface from a few years ago, I recently bought a couple of Samsung A5 2017 models and was really impressed by their quality.

First of all the latest operating system has a clean utilitarian interface without all of the fluff that Samsung used to be famous for. The hardware is incredibly well-built glass front and back. And screen is AMOLED.

I bought two of them online brand new in box from people who got them as toss ins with their new cell phone contracts for $250 each. Amazing value.

And despite having headphone Jacks they are still waterproof!

I also picked up a pixel 2 XL and the quality of this phone is impressive. The camera in particular and free storage for full resolution photos until 2021 is really great.

The days of being able to look down our noses at Android devices is certainly over and maybe it was over a long time ago.
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It makes sense to do that. The question is whether anyone cares? I imagine there isn’t a vast group left who isn’t committed to one platform or another. I would imagine true switchers are a relatively small group and probably largely comprised of never-satisfied techie types for whom it’s a form of entertainment.

Haha truer words were never spoken!

 

[FFR]

The S9/S9 + will end up selling 40-50 million by the end of its run and the note 9 will sell between 10-20 million.

Doubt it

http://m.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20180621000695

S9:
The S9 maintained a relatively stable shipment level in the first quarter, but it is forecast to record lower-than-expected sales in the second quarter with its overall annual sales reaching some 30 million -- the lowest among the Galaxy S series since 2012


Note 8:
The year Samsung recalled the note 7 they had a 10 million unit deficit in thier volume shipped compared to the previous and subsequent years.

“The Korean tech giant shipped 319.7 million units in 2015, 309.4 million in 2016 and 319.8 million in 2017, according to reports by research firm Strategy Analytics. In the first quarter this year, it shipped around 78 million smartphones.”

The note series hasn’t sold more the 20 million units since the note 4.

 

[Klyster]

Doubt it

http://m.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20180621000695

S9:
The S9 maintained a relatively stable shipment level in the first quarter, but it is forecast to record lower-than-expected sales in the second quarter with its overall annual sales reaching some 30 million -- the lowest among the Galaxy S series since 2012


Note 8:
The year Samsung recalled the note 7 they had a 10 million unit deficit in thier volume shipped compared to the previous and subsequent years.

“The Korean tech giant shipped 319.7 million units in 2015, 309.4 million in 2016 and 319.8 million in 2017, according to reports by research firm Strategy Analytics. In the first quarter this year, it shipped around 78 million smartphones.”

The note series hasn’t sold more the 20 million units since the note 4.

So no actual numbers, just forecasts ...ok.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Doubt it

http://m.theinvestor.co.kr/view.php?ud=20180621000695

S9:
The S9 maintained a relatively stable shipment level in the first quarter, but it is forecast to record lower-than-expected sales in the second quarter with its overall annual sales reaching some 30 million -- the lowest among the Galaxy S series since 2012


Note 8:
The year Samsung recalled the note 7 they had a 10 million unit deficit in thier volume shipped compared to the previous and subsequent years.

“The Korean tech giant shipped 319.7 million units in 2015, 309.4 million in 2016 and 319.8 million in 2017, according to reports by research firm Strategy Analytics. In the first quarter this year, it shipped around 78 million smartphones.”

The note series hasn’t sold more the 20 million units since the note 4.

The Note 5 wasn’t available in Europe. The note 7 blew up. The note 8 is the first note phone since 2014 which was available worldwide.

There’s no point in even looking at the sales of the note 5 and 7.

 

[FFR]

So yes selling 40 million high end smartphones is not something to be sniffed at it is. They are never going to sell as many as the iphone. However 40-50 million (using your own figures), isn’t something to pack up and go home over.

Or are you implying that all smartphone makers apart from Apple should just give up and leave apple to get on with it???

Where did I say they should pack up and go home?
Lol. Someone’s overtly dramatic

40 to 50 million isn’t a small number to sniff at.
But when you were expecting 60- 80 million and your operating cost is geared for producing over 300 million units per annum, and your avg selling price is $200 those 10-20 million units @ $700-1000 is crucial and much more important than selling 100 million units of $100 phones.

 

[FFR]

http://www.newsweek.com/iphone-x-sales-are-less-half-apple-expectations-814039

Im just picking one of the many articles on this subject. My point is you to say Samsung have not met sales expectations with the S9 (which is true) when its well publicised that the iPhone X has had the same troubles. Now of Course when it comes to profits Apple is in its own league, the mark-ups they put on their hardware in combination with the power of the Apple name mean they make a killing. So many people have no idea about technology but buy iPhones because they are "cool" to own. Other companies can release a superior phone in every aspect and they still would not sell as many as Apple due to Brand name alone.
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No, the S9 is objectively the better device in many key areas. Do you really want me to list them again? Ive already done so in another thread.

You can have as many articles as you like but your not grasping the difference between
internal projected forecasts and analyst estimates.

You have done so many times but that doesn’t make a difference you bought one, fewer and fewer other consumer are. Which is my point.

 

[FFR]

The Note 5 wasn’t available in Europe. The note 7 blew up. The note 8 is the first note phone since 2014 which was available worldwide.

There’s no point in even looking at the sales of the note 5 and 7.

Yes but since the 2014 Every other manufacturer has a phablet sized device and in all price points. even Samsung with the Sx plus series.

 

[torana355]

You can have as many articles as you like but your not grasping the difference between
internal projected forecasts and analyst estimates.

You have done so many times but that doesn’t make a difference you bought one, fewer and fewer other consumer are. Which is my point.

I understand the difference very well. The article is very clear, iPhone X sales are less then half of what APPLE expected. Apple was expecting to make 45-50 million units in the first Quarter of 2018, that dropped to 20 million.

 

[FFR]

I understand the difference very well. The article is very clear, iPhone X sales are less then half of what APPLE expected. Apple was expecting to make 45-50 million units in the first Quarter of 2018, that dropped to 20 million.

According to who?

 

[FFR]

So no actual numbers, just forecasts ...ok.

It was actually a report published in Korea.

“A report published today cites sources close to Samsung as saying that the large tech giant will not meet its target of shipping 350 million smartphones in 2018. Right off the bat, that goal is more aggressive than previously believed. Combined with the fact that sales of its flagship Galaxy S9 are struggling in China, reaching deliveries of 350 million units this year is "far-fetched" says an industry source.”


https://www.phonearena.com/news/Sam...-smartphone-shipment-target-for-2018_id106015

 

[torana355]

According to who?

And the link you originally used is any more credible? https://bgr.com/2018/06/22/samsung-galaxy-s9-sales-2018-miss-projections/ It seems its ok for you to throw figures and articles out there and we all have to take them as gospel but when someone else posts an article you have nothing but excuses. Truth be told I don't even care about who sells more units or who is the most profitable, for me personally its about owning the best phone I can buy for my money, and the S9 has the iPhone X well and truly beaten in that regard.