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Apple wouldn't attack their phone competitors for the same reason Coca-Cola never attacked Pepsi in the 1980s during all the "Pepsi Challenge" stuff. It never looks good for the market leader to 'punch down'.





As Jobs noted, the PC character made the whole thing work - he was still lovable and earnest, he just didn't have the tools he needed to succeed.
Regarding CocaCola, Pepsi & Co. : Remember, it was once forbidden by law to attack other companies in ads and directly name them.
 
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I just love how phones are slowly starting to look like Lilith from Evangelion
 
You can all hate on them but they're not wrong. I haven't seen actual hardware innovation from Apple in years on the iPhone line.

Right... because there's SOOO much difference between Galaxy S10, S20, S21, S22... 🤣

I understand what you're saying. But the truth is... the smartphone is a mature device. There's not much that can be radially different from year-to-year.

A few features here... a few refinements there. We're 15 years into the modern smartphone era. It's pretty much "incremental changes" versus "changing the world"

I will give Samsung credit for creating a couple new model lines with the Flip and the Fold. It's their screen tech and their engineering budget. Go for it.

But 99.999% of Samsung smartphone sales are still of the glass-slab variety.

Which... as I said... is mature.

You mention hardware innovation... but we can't forget about software.

Apple's hardware engineers can walk down the hall and talk to their software engineers. Not many other companies can do that. I'm not sure how connected Samsung's hardware engineers are with Google's software engineers.

A lot of Apple's new features are the marriage of their hardware and software. They own the entire stack.

An iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad, and a Mac all walk into a bar. And they can all talk to each other. That's pretty cool.

:)
 
That's awesome...Samsung...since you have all those megapixels...how come you cant come up with a top 15 rated camera by DXO? First Samsung on that list is ranked 17...it couldn't beat the older 13 Pro, and its more expensive than the iPhone...

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I guess it takes more than pixels to take good photos. BUT you can record lousy looking 8k video (for a minute or two)
 
Samsung's "innovation" is making useless gimmicks like creased creaking phones, and copying Apple features a year after crapping on them.
Here are the features Apple copied from Samsung:
  • large screens
  • OLED screens
  • wireless charging
  • multi-lens cameras
  • waterproofing
  • fast charging
  • NFC
  • high resolution camera sensors
  • multi-window UI
Still to come:
  • pen support
  • folding phones
  • periscope lens
  • under the screen fingerprint sensor
 
I have not seen one person in every day life with a folding phone. Yet nearly everyone with iPhones….many people would rather have an iPhone 8 than a droid
I know two, they both work for carriers and got a heavy discount. One is an a absolute Samsung fanatic who was die hard about notes until they were discontinued. She has a fold now and it's rarely ever unfolded and she will express her displeasure on occasion.

The other has always been an android user who was ready to switch to iPhone until he got a massive discount on the fold. He's quite particular about things and the screen has already broken 3 times. He's not a die hard so he'll openly admit that while cool, the screen doesn't hold up to repeated openings and closings and it's just not quite there yet in general.

It's interesting and innovative tech but it's not something that can be mass produced in an iPhone right now, the outrage would be insane if they started breaking and showing a large crease in high numbers.
 
You can all hate on them but they're not wrong. I haven't seen actual hardware innovation from Apple in years on the iPhone line.
I have always argued that Apple sells an ecosystem, not just individual products.

Each of the products Apple announced are impressive on their own, and they also integrate with the broader Apple ecosystem. It's telling that Samsung doesn't release an advert stating their answer to not only the iPhone 14 or the Apple Watch Ultra, but the entire ecosystem that Apple has painstakingly built around their products. Instead, they can only afford to cherry-pick 1 or 2 specific features that they can claim to have the lead in.

The simple answer is that they can't. Not only will that take massive amounts of money, but more importantly it will take time. Since Apple isn’t standing still, spending a few years to respond to today’s announcements won’t work for competitors. This produces a situation in which it becomes nearly impossible to catch up to Apple.

I have no idea who exactly Samsung was tweeting in mind with, but I can only conclude that we are looking a company so obsessed with beating Apple, they are unable to acknowledge the iPhone's role in launching the modern day smartphone industry.

I still remember when, in response to Apple removing the headphone jack in 2016, Samsung would include a pair of Harman wired headphones with every S8 smartphone. Samsung likely thought that including Harman wired headphones might attract consumers turned off by Apple moving back the headphone jack. In reality, the pair of Lightning EarPods provided in every iPhone box worked just fine, AirPods made the iPhone's lack of dedicated headphone jack completely irrelevant, and the theorised consumer backlash never manifested. And in what seems to be an increasingly predictable trend, Samsung would eventually go on to remove the headphone jack from their own smartphones after realising that trying to be the "anti-iphone" somehow just wasn't working.

By focusing so much on Apple, Samsung is never able to truly be themselves.

We know Apple stands for design (however polarising it may be).

What does Samsung stand for? It's a tough question to answer. Because by continuing to be so obsessed with Apple, the truth is that Samsung likely still has no idea what it is they want to stand for.

And Apple does.
 
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Don’t they make one UI, which is always ahead of the android OS in features. They also made their own OS on their watches for years (Tizen).
Tizen, I wondered why they never used it in their phones. On December 31, 2021, the Tizen app store permanently closed.[20] The last smartphone based on the Tizen operating system is the Samsung Z4 which was released in 2017. The company switched to Google's Wear OS 3 platform on its Galaxy Watch 4 smartwatches.[ Maybe they were offered money by Google? Maybe it wasn't very good?
 
I’m an Apple fan, but Samsung is the world's second-largest technology company by revenue, with a market capitalization of 520 billion. And they’re a major supplier for Apple.

I don’t know how you can call them an insignificant speck of dust.
They also sell the most smartphones even if they aren’t making as much money.
 
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Why do Samsung always feel the need to attack Apple? It's a bad look IMO. When was the last time Apple attacked any of their competitors?
Apple doesn't have to attack competitors. It's on top. Bringing up the competition would get people thinking about Samsung. Samsung badmouths apple because it gets people thinking about Samsung.
 
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And yet Apple sold more iPhones this morning than Samsung will sell Galaxies all year. :rolleyes:

Samsung ad campaigns seem aimed more at re-assuring their own customers rather than trying to gain new ones.
Keeping your current client base is a legitimate strategy when you have no means to gain more.
 
Tizen, I wondered why they never used it in their phones. On December 31, 2021, the Tizen app store permanently closed.[20] The last smartphone based on the Tizen operating system is the Samsung Z4 which was released in 2017. The company switched to Google's Wear OS 3 platform on its Galaxy Watch 4 smartwatches.[ Maybe they were offered money by Google? Maybe it sucked?
It was a mutally beneficial agreement between Google and Samsung. In fact I think the deal did more for Google than Samsung as Google wear OS as a platform was dead in the water before they merged with Samsung. The OS was rubbish and the hardware of the watches that ran Wear OD was rubbish. Samsung actually work alongside Google in the development of wearOS. What Samsung got from the deal was access to apps for their smartwatches and now Samsung watches can run core Google services such as the Google assistant, Google pay and Google maps.

So in a nutshell before the merger Samsung had good hardware and decent software but lacked access to a wide variety of good apps. Google’s platform had access with a wide variety of apps and core Google services but lacked good hardware and software. The idea was to merge and get the best of both worlds for both companies.
 
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