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I can't argue that Apple has been right many times and yes, they have led many times with innovative world-changing ideas, but with some ideas/products they have also failed. Don't forget the Apple III, the Lisa (in landfills today), the Newton, or the original mobile.me (a cluster mess). Even though I admit they have had more wins than failures, they have had some monstrous failures so they are not infallible.

The Newton didn't fail per se -- Jobs killed it. Those that used it swore by it. Jobs allegedly killed it because the iPad was on the horizon, which ultimately became the iPhone first.
 
Tell that to the stock market.
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Stock market said that Blackberry was doing great in 2007.
[doublepost=1490999772][/doublepost]Another technology company that the stock market knows for sure to have a brilliant future.

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[doublepost=1491000001][/doublepost]The stock market always knows what a technology company's future holds, and prices accordingly\!

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Stock market said that Blackberry was doing great in 2007.
[doublepost=1490999772][/doublepost]Another technology company that the stock market knows for sure to have a brilliant future.

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Last time I checked, Apple is not Blackberry, and vice versa. To try and use Blackberry as an analogy is really stretching it. Every year at this time when Samsung comes out with a new phone all the Apple naysayers come to this forum and say the end is near for Apple. And every year, they are wrong.
 
Last time I checked, Apple is not Blackberry, and vice versa. To try and use Blackberry as an analogy is really stretching it. Every year at this time when Samsung comes out with a new phone all the Apple naysayers come to this forum and say the end is near for Apple. And every year, they are wrong.
Do something revolutionary? Check.

Develop a cult following? Check.

Put untold billions in the bank selling that same idea, or evolutionary versions of it, for a decade? Check.

Watch hungry and well-financed competitors start nipping at your heels? Check.

FAIL TO COME UP WITH THE NEXT REVOLUTION? Check.

Count on all users to be loyal to your now ten-year-old idea forever? Check.

Count on nobody ever copying your idea in a compelling way? Check.

Lay around in your money pile hoping that nobody invents the next revolution? Check.

Aside from paralleling Blackberry in all of those ways, they are totally different.

Heck, Blackberry massively outdid Apple in marketshare. Apple has never had and probably never will have as much marketshare as Blackberry.

Not sure why you think they're so different.
 
Do something revolutionary? Check.

Develop a cult following? Check.

Put untold billions in the bank selling that same idea, or evolutionary versions of it, for a decade? Check.

Watch hungry and well-financed competitors start nipping at your heels? Check.

FAIL TO COME UP WITH THE NEXT REVOLUTION? Check.

Count on all users to be loyal to your now ten-year-old idea forever? Check.

Count on nobody ever copying your idea in a compelling way? Check.

Lay around in your money pile hoping that nobody invents the next revolution? Check.

Aside from paralleling Blackberry in all of those ways, they are totally different.

Heck, Blackberry massively outdid Apple in marketshare. Apple has never had and probably never will have as much marketshare as Blackberry.

Not sure why you think they're so different.

You being completely wrong. Check. You obviously want an S8. Go out an buy one. be happy. I don't how anyone could make their life so miserable complaining about a phone. There's more to life.
 
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I can't argue that Apple has been right many times and yes, they have led many times with innovative world-changing ideas, but with some ideas/products they have also failed. Don't forget the Apple III, the Lisa (in landfills today), the Newton, or the original mobile.me (a cluster mess). Even though I admit they have had more wins than failures, they have had some monstrous failures so they are not infallible.
At least back then they tried.

They came up with new paradigms that nobody had ever imagined and sold them at a loss of billions of dollars just to see if they could.

Now they are fat and lazy and self-assured, counting their money and telling themselves that they are Too Big To Fail.

If you don't believe me, ask yourself why a news item about some boring Korean iPhone copycat has 1200 posts.

People can feel it.


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You being completely wrong. Check. You obviously want an S8. Go out an buy one. be happy. I don't how anyone could make their life so miserable complaining about a phone. There's more to life.
How am I wrong.

I am complaining about one of the greatest companies in the history of the world being flown into the ground by remorseless accountants.
 
At least back then they tried.

They came up with new paradigms that nobody had ever imagined and sold them at a loss of billions of dollars just to see if they could.

Now they are fat and lazy and self-assured, counting their money and telling themselves that they are Too Big To Fail.

If you don't believe me, ask yourself why a news item about some boring Korean iPhone copycat has 1200 posts.

People can feel it.


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How so

Why are you so angry at Apple? Do you actually enjoy being negative? Do you wake up every morning hoping to complain about something?
 
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Why are you so angry at Apple? Do you actually enjoy being negative? Do you wake up every morning hoping to complain about something?
I am sharing my views about Apple's current strategy, position, and apparent shortcomings. On a forum for people who want to discuss Apple.

You are attacking me personally. On a forum for people who want to discuss Apple.

You were saying about waking up angry?
 
I can't argue that Apple has been right many times and yes, they have led many times with innovative world-changing ideas, but with some ideas/products they have also failed. Don't forget the Apple III, the Lisa (in landfills today), the Newton, or the original mobile.me (a cluster mess). Even though I admit they have had more wins than failures, they have had some monstrous failures so they are not infallible.

I never said Apple was infallible. I just love their attitude. The way they force change and take bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here's ios without flash support. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack.

Sometimes they succeed and sometimes their actions blow up spectacularly in their faces, but at least they have the conviction to try.
 
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I am sharing my views about Apple's current strategy, position, and apparent shortcomings. On a forum for people who want to discuss Apple.

You are attacking me personally. On a forum for people who want to discuss Apple.

You were saying about waking up angry?

Apparent shortcomings? Just because YOU think they are, does not mean they are apparent, or even shortcomings. Just because you like to post graphs and lengthy posts, it does not make you an expert.
 
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I never said Apple was infallible. I just love their attitude. The way they force change and take bold unapologetic stances. Here’s a touchscreen smart phone without the familiarity of a physical Qwerty keyboard. Here’s a large screen tablet without a desktop OS and desktop apps and file system. Here's ios without flash support. Here’s a smart phone without a headphone jack.

Sometimes they succeed and sometimes their actions blow up spectacularly in their faces, but at least they have the conviction to try.
Up until ten years ago, that's what made them amazing. It's just too bad they stopped.
Apparent shortcomings? Just because YOU think they are, does not mean they are apparent,
That is literally the definition of "apparent".
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As of right now, no, but it the future, they will be a force with their smartphones. No one thought that Blackberry would ever lose to Apple.

Apple didn't beat Blackberry by making a better blackberry. Apple made something completely different. Google's Pixel is basically just an iPhone running a different OS. And it is an OS that in many ways just tries to copy iOS. Google has to do something different. They have to convince users to buy Pixel instead of iPhone and compete against Samsung and also convince users to not buy good android phones that cost half of what Pixel costs. That is going to be tough.
 
Apple didn't beat Blackberry by making a better blackberry. Apple made something completely different. Google's Pixel is basically just an iPhone running a different OS. And it is an OS that in many ways just tries to copy iOS. Google has to do something different. They have to convince users to buy Pixel instead of iPhone and compete against Samsung and also convince users to not buy good android phones that cost half of what Pixel costs. That is going to be tough.

Please tell me how android is trying to copy IOS? iOS has been copying android for a while now......and vice versa....
 
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Please tell me how android is trying to copy IOS? iOS has been copying android for a while now......and vice versa....

Well I could hand you an original iPhone and for a good chunk of your normal day to day stuff, you would use it exactly the same as you would use a Galaxy S8. So I'd say that Android is copying iOS. But it really doesn't matter. They are similar enough that neither is going to put the other out of business anytime soon. When folks talk about how iPhone put Blackberry out of business (which they didn't BBRY recently announced its 13th consecutive profitable fiscal quarter), they fail to mention how game changing iPhone was compared to blackberries. Google can do some great programming. But Pixel and iPhone are both pretty much equally good phones. Neither has a huge advantage over the other. Except that Apple sells at least 10 times more iPhones every day. (And possible far more than that.)
 
You know that for YEARS you've been able to control your Mac or PC w/ your iPad & view that screen remotely, yeah?
Viewing a remote computer does NOT equal running that remote computer's OS natively, and- although handy, in a pinch, is not the short-term future for PC replacement (with Galaxy smartphones) in corporate America, for many reasons. Not the least of which; the ability to control some limited apps, running remotely on a different machine, doesn't allow your Android phone to load the Windows drivers to interact with all the peripherals at your office, for example.
Look.... I'm in IT. I know what's possible & what's plausible.]

You do realize your view of IT and desktops is quite antiquated, right? VDI is coming and coning on fast. I work for a very large enterprise in IT and we're migrating to a VDI based infrastructure. It's going to do just that - present the Windows apps on pretty much any device. Be it a smartphone, tablet, Windows PC or Mac. We've been heading in this direction for years and the big names (Citrix, VMware, Microsoft, and Amazon) are all doing much in this space.

Once your desktop is in the datacenter, all that "Windows drivers" BS you spew happens in a VM. Most only need "drivers" for the printer that they print to. Some solutions even map a locally connected USB device back to your "virtual desktop". We have hundreds in a far away land doing just this thing. It works great.

It is the best for companies. With no data locally stored if you lose your laptop or phone, set it for remote wipe and send out another $200 box. In 20 minutes the user is back on their desktop like nothing happened. Data is secure in your datacenter or cloud provider. "Desktop support" means the UPS guy dropping off a new box and you plugging it in. No more site visits for PC replacement, no expensive boat anchors on people's desk.

Outside of some uses (video editing, CAD, etc) VDI is the future. I suggest you upgrade your skillset. I don't even work in that area of IT and I know a lot about that space - nowhere near an expert but I've seen it work and it works very well.
 
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Exactly.

10 years ago.

The BlackBerry lost because it was never a part of people's lives and popular culture the way where the iPhone is today. There isn't anything today that is clearly leapfrogging the iPhone. Everyone is still iterating on the design that Apple pioneered, so I am not sure what exactly Apple is supposed to lose too.
 
You do realize your view of IT and desktops is quite antiquated, right? VDI is coming and coning on fast. I work for a very large enterprise and we're migrating to a VDI based infrastructure. It's going to do just that - present the Windows apps on pretty much any device. Be it a smartphone, tablet, Windows PC or Mac. We've been heading in this direction for years and the big names (Citrix, VMware, Microsoft, and Amazon) are all doing much in this space.

Once your desktop is in the datacenter, all that "Windows drivers BS you spew" happens in a VM. Most only need "drivers" for the printer that they print to. Some solutions even map a locally connected USB device back to your "virtual desktop".

It is the best for companies. With no data locally stored if you lose your laptop or phone, set it for remote wipe and send out another $200 box. In 20 minutes the user is back on their desktop like nothing happened. Data is secure in your datacenter or cloud provider.

Outside of some uses (video editing, CAD, etc) VDI is the future. I suggest you upgrade your skillset.

Thanks for the reply.
I could've used without the barbs, but hey... to each their own.
The VDI work you are doing sounds fun. Let's speak as to the topic of these actual posts though.
Here, I'll play the part of ANY one of the other posters:
"WHAT??? You are doing some advanced desktop virtualization? How is that possible? This is a BRAND new product from Samsung, and it is what's paving the way! How could you claim to be doing anything outside of that?? How are your users getting work done, if not through the specific products, Galaxy S8 & Dex Dock? Inconceivable!"
So.... I will reiterate: I saw this years ago, when Motorola 1st introduced a dock w/ like the Droid Bionic or whatever it was, this does NOT tread into any new space, and this is not some incredible solution in and of itself.
Apologies for seeming to attack the tech itself; I suppose- that wasn't really my intent. My larger point is- anyone that looks at this simple dock, that does little more than allow one to run Android on a screen & equates it w/ what your enterprise is doing, for example- is off base.
I'm going to go out on a limb & guess that there aren't any plans for sitewide dex rollouts at your enterprise, yeah?
 
most people keep there phones 2 years these days.my brother is still using his iPhone 6 and my friend is still using his note 4.

btw 3 carriers are promising 5g this year and TMobile is up in a few cities!

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he is talking about the internal storage of all the devices.in the USA and most of the world all the gs8 and gs8 plus will come with 64gb storage.

There's a 5.8 and a 6.2 inch version, obviously, like the iPhone, the larger one will cost more.
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Very simple, the S8 comes in one size . You misread somewhere that there are storage options. Simple.

I did not know there was only one storage option (lame), however I was talking about the screen sizes, their plus version will clearly cost more, (real unique name there btw).

And if you want to add storage, you have to fiddle with sd cards which aren't free. Nobody knows what the iPhone 8 will cost so everyone here pretending they know is full of it. Simple.
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Last time I checked, Apple is not Blackberry, and vice versa. To try and use Blackberry as an analogy is really stretching it. Every year at this time when Samsung comes out with a new phone all the Apple naysayers come to this forum and say the end is near for Apple. And every year, they are wrong.

Or only are they wrong, I'm convinced they work for Samsung and are trolling, the crap they post is ridiculous.
 
Up until ten years ago, that's what made them amazing. It's just too bad they stopped.
That is literally the definition of "apparent".
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According to your posted definition, Please point out with real facts that "initial evidence" shows shortcomings? Evidence means there is some sort of proof. Same with "according to appearances". See, I can post definitions too.

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There's a 5.8 and a 6.2 inch version, obviously, like the iPhone, the larger one will cost more.
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I did not know there was only one storage option (lame), however I was talking about the screen sizes, their plus version will clearly cost more, (real unique name there btw).

And if you want to add storage, you have to fiddle with sd cards which aren't free. Nobody knows what the iPhone 8 will cost so everyone here pretending they know is full of it. Simple.
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Or only are they wrong, I'm convinced they work for Samsung and are trolling, the crap they post is ridiculous.

we all know there are 2 screen sizes! All the gs8 and gs8 plus phones will ONLY come with 64gb storage.

no storage options so the phone will be 750 and 850 for the plus version.

bestbuy is taking 100 off if you pre order so the phones will be 650 and 750 without any more price options for bigger storages
 
Really, what did everyone expect Samesung to do with this phone? They have heard the rumours that Apple is doing what they have eventually copied. It's not an original idea, they just respond quicker.

It just doesn't interest me at all, the "package" is still lame. Android, ecosystem, quality.
 
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