In reality, LG beat them to the punch with the "new" design. The G6 came out before the S8, and others beat LG to the punch. So Samsung really did not come out with anything new.
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In reality, LG beat them to the punch with the "new" design. The G6 came out before the S8, and others beat LG to the punch. So Samsung really did not come out with anything new.
Except for the part where rumors point to Apple adopting a curved screen and a Samsung AMOLED... it takes longer than a few months to create something like the S8, you know...
"Samesung"
Oh, you're one of those
To me, what's pro is that, with the new Apple Pencil, I can precisely edit photographs using Photoshop Fix, I can draw using Adobe Sketch and other apps, and I can sync collections of photos between Lightroom Mobile and Lightroom on my desktop. All of the Apps load almost instantly, and the Pencil is as lag free and precise as the Wacom I use on my desktop while actually feeling more like a real pencil, brush, or pen than the Wacom. So yes, it is a fine pro tool if you are into creative work. (By the way, no, I don't use it to run Excel, which seems to be the universal Apple critic's definition of truly "pro", or an example of "real work"). I am only scratching the surface here as to the "pro" usefulness of the thing to me.
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Yeah... who
Cares.
It's sansung. At least it doesn't explode.
(Btw, not trying to be facetious, but when a multibillion dollar company £cucks up as bad as recalling a phone 2 times for exploding... they deserve a decade of shaming=not just 6months).
Let the sansung love flow brehs.
https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/199427/
Can't wait until Ded writes another Sansung article.
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Browsing so many pages... I see a lot of complaining that Apple hasn't come up with anything new and is like BBRY.
Really?
Ok
1. Then explain to me why Apple has to come up with the next BIG thing? And who and what qualifications do you have to say that Apple DOESNT have the next big thing coming within a year?
2. What has Sansung or other android oems come up with that were game changing, BIG things?
And please don't quote "curved screen" or "face-iris recognition" or docking station with only a few apps to support... and the Ipad already went "big screen" ---oops I meant 120"Sharp TVs already went BIG (can you patent BIGGER?)
How about First high res screen+glass? 64Bit? Touch ID? Apple Pay? Forcetouch home button? Unparalleled Support and Service? AND how about not treating us like stupid sheep that get fed the free-google-grass when NOTHING is actually free? Game changers... not ways to monetize our personal info and location and habits. Ok
SPOILED. What. Have. You. Done. For. Me. Lately?eh?
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Let's also ignore the fact that this is an evolution of Samsung's design language starting with the note edge in 2014. But hey let's not let facts stand in the way of conspiracy.
Those pesky copycats!!!
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Apple didn't invent mobile payments. Android wallet which was based on NFC was available for a good few years before Apple Pay.
The Motorola Atrix had a fingerprint scanner before Touch ID came out. Force touch is an evolution/ alternative to long press which has been on android for years and years.
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But you could buy a Wacom stylus and use it with any of the previous iPads. You could also use a keyboard with any of the previous iPads. The iPad is a great tablet and is the best tablet on the market but I don't find anything pro about the pro models. It doesn't even have a filling system.
To be honest once you're deeply embedded in the apple ecosystem it would require Apple to really mess it up for most to leave.....me included.....
I always like to remember that LG is short for Lucky Goldstar. That says everything to me about the company. Nothing could make me buy their stuff.
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It's the concept. It's a Korean company that only seems to be able to copy or try to beat to the market what they know about Apples product. They done this for years. And their product is cheaper because it's forgettable. They have no ideas and no originality.
So you expect me to bring a Wacom tablet to class? These two aren't even remotely similar. With the iPad Pro, I can walk around the classroom and still write on my iPad. Try doing the same thing with a Wacom tablet which would just tether me to the front desk.
Apple has done what it does best: taken an emerging product category with a frustrating user experience and delivered a polished product made possible by its control over both the hardware and software.
And very often, it's the user experience which makes all the difference between a person being willing to use a certain feature, and not bothering at all.
To some pro means:
-the ability to use a fiddley usb thumbdrive(never heard of cloud services)
-the ability to gave 16 windows, tabs etc open , to loose oversight and close all windows again.
-a filemanager that allows them to save files in a wrong place and never be able to find it again.
-boot-up times of more than 30 seconds.
-have all kind of programm and os updates that take ages and are only updating when you switch the computer off.
-the ability to have a vga and serial port or an adapter for it. Opens a world of possiblities .
-the ability to buy real pro software for $400 that is old fashioned and slow(but requires real pro hw to run smooth) because that software is used by all other companies, and departments of the same company, so you can keep things compatible and won' t loose the ability to exchanges files/information.
-etc, etc.....
-the ability to add a wacom stylus and pad for tons of money, that uses inferior tech(but is supported by the real pro software i mentioned earlier).
-controll of which hardware they will get from a cheapass financial controller that gets a discount when he places bulk orders for 2 generations older tech(and still pays too much money for it)
At lower corparate levels people are in the dark ages with a cheapass(but still expensive) laptops, pc and inferior (tn) monitors(gray instead of black), etc. with docks, dongles, slower ethernet hw, wired printers, legacy software, windows 7 corperate edition, etc..
Pro users actually really want the same they always wanted, are conservative, just better specs, and keep everything the way it was. They are actually holding back the market instead of moving forward. And the way forward is to develop pro software that is more optimized toward specific hardware that uses less resources to ensure (backwards) compatibility and legacy support, mire user friendly, simpler to operate, to exchange files, better coop modes, better designed. Just lighter, more efficient, modern, etc.
The only thing apple should do/ have done(and hope will do)
-add trackpad support for writing email, text and the use of spreadsheets and add a simple trackpad to the smart keyboard.
-change the gui instead of a blown up iphone look.
-add a very simple filemanager and multiaccount ability by touchid.
-release a (i) mac pro for graphical artists, designers, architects that require more graphics power.
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The technology already exists in IT land to manage such devices. We already deploy and use them. Just not yet as "desktop replacements"
it sounds like you like tech, but don't actually work in the back end providing solutions. if a business need arises for something like this, we make it happen. it's not our job in IT to come up with reasons not to do it, it's our job in IT to come up withsolutions how to do it.
and I could probably already deploy this solution via a cloud based citrix farm and robust OWA policies to enforce data security and integrity of emails / communication.
you really need to stop thinking inside the box.
The S8 is an evolution on a design paradigm that began with the Note Edge in 2014, as previously stated by another member. That, and you can't create a phone from the ground up in 4 months...
They copied at the beginning, and they continue to copy small things (as does Apple in a big way). But they bring far more innovation to the table nowadays and have done so for the past 3 years. This year, the hardware is impeccable, and Dex excites the hell out of me as a computer scientist.
Meanwhile, the iPhone 8 is going to look pretty close to the S8, and the 7s is going to continue the current boring design. There's zero innovation there, and they've lost the race once again.
This is all coming from a guy who's been an Apple fanboy for the last decade straight and who is known to bash Samsung pretty much non-stop (just ask the people in the alternative forum). But credit where it's due - the S8 is a major breath of fresh air and a giant step forward for Samsung. It's both funny and sad how the same old Samsung bashing is still taking place when they've basically turned into what Apple used to be - a company that isn't scared to push boundaries, releasing products that make people basically lose their minds consistently every year.
I'm still an Apple fanboy but I'm turning into a bit of a Samsung fanboy with this phone as well.
Okie dokie, so I wasn't right in saying "dex docks are no big deal" because businesses aren't ready to abandon Windows, in favor of Android, w/ some minor Windows connectivity.... I was right in saying "dex docks are no big deal" because, in actuality, it's already happened, and somehow without this amazing new revolutionary dock.
Good to know. Thank you so much for the clarification, your Lordship.
The Wacom styli have received rather lukewarm reviews, nor were they pressure and angle sensitive like the the Apple Pencil is (I don't know about newer ones -- I'm not interested in them). I was noting that the Apple Pencil and the iPad, together, work as well or better than a desktop and the Wacom drawing pad. The iPad Pro is simply an improvement on, as you say, "the best tablet on the market". A filing system for me, would be just an added complication. As to the term "pro", it means a million things to a million people -- it appears that certain types of users in the area of graphic arts are making daily professional use of the iPad "Pro".
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I really don' t agree.
I actually think the s8 is a step backward because of the really awkward place of the fingerprint reader, and try to put a face reg tech that isn' t safe and an irisscanning tech that doesn' t work in the dark, doesn' t work with glasses , contacts and is slower , to replace toUchid, So 3 things to authenticate and all have issues. Apple wouldn' t have done or won' t do that.
They have a way to complicate things by adding gimmicks that are dropped later.
No consistancy and adding gimmicks to be first, too look innovative. Apple is way more consistent, implements things when they really work, which creates a better experience for the user.
absolutely untrue.
Blackberry was a cultural icon.
Businessmen, rap stars, presidents could not function without one.
Barack Obama was told to hand his in when he became president and refused.
Blackberry was the iPhone of its time and enjoyed massive higher market penetration than iPhone ever has. Or will.
If apple wants to keep being apple they need to keep starting revolutions. Not just milking the old ones!
As long as they coast on old ideas they are on the path to being an ordinary company.
The first part of your post certainly would be a description of my 20 years with Windows. The second paragraph is an interesting observation. As to the list of what you believe Apple should do, I can see how some would like to use a trackpad with an iPad but for me it would be mostly redundant because isn't the iPad inherently a trackpad? The blown up iPhone look, it seems to me, only occurs when using iPhone apps on an iPad, but, at least you can use them. I don't have any need for a file manager, but to each his or her own. Totally agree on the mac pro for graphic artists wish.
The idea behind a single portable handheld device as the centre of somesone compute is nothing n ew.
We've seen it before, and they've been bad / subpar implementations for one reason or another.
The hope is that with DEX, they've done a good job with it that it's actually viable.
if you're truly in tech, it's your job to figure out how to make these things viable, not to come up with lame excuses to keep doing things exactly the same way. Leave that to the accountants who don't want to spend money.
is Dex going to solve the previous problems with such an All in one style device? I don't know yet. Need to get my hands on one and see what I can make do.
but to pass it off because you don't want to take time and effort to make it work within an IT infrastructure is just lazy IT.
So far, the Dex Dock is the closest to a real desktop experience I've seen. And looks like it has enough power with the 835 to be able to run multiple programs concurrently. Look at the video demo someone posted here, they had a dozen apps open at the end and each one still launched instantly.
Though, I truly think that a "Surface phone" would be better than Samsung's Dex for corporate because of windows integration. especially if that surface dock supported full fat windows when docked.
But so far, we already know that a good chunk of useres can make do on Android/iOS limited platforms and still be able to get their work done. So why couldn't Dex be more than enough for a mini-mobile office solution.
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Another fun Fact:
Despite it's initial "wow" factor. The Apple iPhone did not pass Blackberry on sales volume until 2010. A good 3 years after it was launched.
Apple isn't coasting, as to whether one thinks they are ordinary or not is based on ones biases.
Did the blackberry have an App Store, a digital assistant, mobile payment system, music streaming service, much less integrate with its own unique line of tablets, PCs and wearables?
No, the blackberry had no ecosystem to call its own. The Apple of today is nothing at all like the blackberry of yesteryear. Not saying Apple is invulnerable but it will take a lot more to topple Apple than what people here are suggesting.
Fun fact: it was only a short while after that when blackberry caved in, unfortunately,
About the trackpad. It would be more efficient to keep my hands near the keyboard when i make a typo or have to change text instead of reaching to the touchscreen.
About the gui. It is not about the apps it is about the base screen when choosing an app. App icons could be smaller, etc , that is it.
About the filemanager. It would be easier for me to attach more than one kind of file in an email or to put a local file in the cloud/icloud drive.
The door latch failed on my Samsung washing machine too. The Samsung site was considerably less than useless in repairing it. But, because there have been so many, many latch failures on Samsung washers, there are many useful youtube videos on diy repairs. I simply could not buy another product of any kind from a company that would design such a door latch.
Blackberry's collapse was one of their own doing and they deserved it the way they treated the market they had.
Spent the first year "we don't have to worry about Apple, we're #1 so obviously people like us better"
Spent the next year "ok, people are starting to buy that other device, lets make a copy" and released cheap and bad copies (Storm and Storm 2)
then finally came to their senses that they needed to design something new and do it right, but went about it like morons. They decided to tell all their customers "We're building the best new phone! it'll be out in 2 years, in the meantime, buy these devices that will be replaced in 2 years and not be compatible at all!".
what do you think happened? Those of us who were in Blackberry eco-system noped out. I'm not spending $500 on a device today that will completely lose all support app development and forward momentum just ot have to rebuy a device and all apps all over again in 2 year?.
this exodus from Blackberry was it's undoing. it took 2 new CEO's before they finally got someone who understood business and kept blackberry alive.
I think one of the fears with Apple right now is that we see this similar "We're #1, so we're obviously the best" mentality from Apple's leadership.
and while most of the products Apple is releasing are great products. Excellent quality, and offered fantastic services. There's always the fear that complacency could lead to someone else coming up with some new disruptive tech that dethrones Apple. (honestly, not sure why people are afraid of this, economics isn't a zero sum game, not being #1 doesn't mean you're bad. you can have legit competition)
while there's no way to say that Apple WILL repeat blackberries mistake, ignoring history is often the best way of repeating it.
yes, they very much did. and did some things extremely well, long before anyone else did. sure, their devices had issues (like needing daily battery pulls) due to a buggy OS. But we're talking early EARLY smartphone days here, the bugs were worth it compared to the feature phones blackberry was replacing.
but the Blackberry devices had an "App store". though it was in the day when you needed to download and have your phone plugged into your computer, similar to early iTunes requirements. THey did eventually also get a music service (streaming services really didn't exist back then either).
They had some of the earliest "Digital assistant" softwares available. Almost all Blackberry devices had a physical "action" button. And you could often download a voice control app and bind it to it. this was back before "machine learning" and "AI", so while the functionality was limited to remote controlling music, or sending emails, it was absolutely early day voice assistant.
Don't know about mobile payments. NFC hadn't been invented yet (or at least available), the popularity of mobile payments only came about after BBRY's demise, so bringing this into the conversation is disingenuous. "HOW DARE THEY NOT HAVE TECH THAT WASN'T INVENTED YET!"
And shortly after the iPad's release, Blackberry did have it's own lineup of Tablets that integrated with their phones. Blackberry PLaybook (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_PlayBook). While it was a whopping commercial failure, the device itself was actually really good. I still have mine and it STILL runs very well (just has nothing new to run). But it integrated very well with Blackberry services and ecosystem, even featuring receiving your phones notifications on the tablet, and direct access to your phones email, sms and BBM so that your phone and tablet always had the same up to date data and notifications.
and it integrated fantastically with the business ecosystem through their robust blackberry back end cloud based network infrastructure where all communications went through BBS allowing direct connection to exchange servers and other messaging services, very very much like what everyone else is doing today. You have to remember, Blackberry basically invented push notification
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R versionsof all this:don't make excuses to ignore history. while all might not be equal, ignoring history often means you miss lessons it has to teach. And judging from your comments about Blackberry that were factually wrong, it shows you don't understand the history itself.
Blackberry should absolutely be a cautionary tale to every single business who thinks themselves #1. there is always someone nipping at your heals. Being number 1 today doesn't guarantee number 1 tomorrow. And disruptive tech can always topple even the biggest giants who are caught unaware.
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RIP Blackberry. I know, I know, they're still technically around, but, they're a husk of what they were a decade ago
The blackberry cautionary tale should be applied to every company and not cherry picking Apple. If it happened to Lehman bros, blackberry could happen to any company. The great debate is one person's seeing moving forward is another's seeing complacency. That's when you look at the company finances.Blackberry's collapse was one of their own doing and they deserved it the way they treated the market they had.
Spent the first year "we don't have to worry about Apple, we're #1 so obviously people like us better"
Spent the next year "ok, people are starting to buy that other device, lets make a copy" and released cheap and bad copies (Storm and Storm 2)
then finally came to their senses that they needed to design something new and do it right, but went about it like morons. They decided to tell all their customers "We're building the best new phone! it'll be out in 2 years, in the meantime, buy these devices that will be replaced in 2 years and not be compatible at all!".
what do you think happened? Those of us who were in Blackberry eco-system noped out. I'm not spending $500 on a device today that will completely lose all support app development and forward momentum just ot have to rebuy a device and all apps all over again in 2 year?.
this exodus from Blackberry was it's undoing. it took 2 new CEO's before they finally got someone who understood business and kept blackberry alive.
I think one of the fears with Apple right now is that we see this similar "We're #1, so we're obviously the best" mentality from Apple's leadership.
and while most of the products Apple is releasing are great products. Excellent quality, and offered fantastic services. There's always the fear that complacency could lead to someone else coming up with some new disruptive tech that dethrones Apple. (honestly, not sure why people are afraid of this, economics isn't a zero sum game, not being #1 doesn't mean you're bad. you can have legit competition)
while there's no way to say that Apple WILL repeat blackberries mistake, ignoring history is often the best way of repeating it.
yes, they very much did. and did some things extremely well, long before anyone else did. sure, their devices had issues (like needing daily battery pulls) due to a buggy OS. But we're talking early EARLY smartphone days here, the bugs were worth it compared to the feature phones blackberry was replacing.
but the Blackberry devices had an "App store". though it was in the day when you needed to download and have your phone plugged into your computer, similar to early iTunes requirements. THey did eventually also get a music service (streaming services really didn't exist back then either).
They had some of the earliest "Digital assistant" softwares available. Almost all Blackberry devices had a physical "action" button. And you could often download a voice control app and bind it to it. this was back before "machine learning" and "AI", so while the functionality was limited to remote controlling music, or sending emails, it was absolutely early day voice assistant.
Don't know about mobile payments. NFC hadn't been invented yet (or at least available), the popularity of mobile payments only came about after BBRY's demise, so bringing this into the conversation is disingenuous. "HOW DARE THEY NOT HAVE TECH THAT WASN'T INVENTED YET!"
And shortly after the iPad's release, Blackberry did have it's own lineup of Tablets that integrated with their phones. Blackberry PLaybook (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackBerry_PlayBook). While it was a whopping commercial failure, the device itself was actually really good. I still have mine and it STILL runs very well (just has nothing new to run). But it integrated very well with Blackberry services and ecosystem, even featuring receiving your phones notifications on the tablet, and direct access to your phones email, sms and BBM so that your phone and tablet always had the same up to date data and notifications.
and it integrated fantastically with the business ecosystem through their robust blackberry back end cloud based network infrastructure where all communications went through BBS allowing direct connection to exchange servers and other messaging services, very very much like what everyone else is doing today. You have to remember, Blackberry basically invented push notification
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don't make excuses to ignore history. while all might not be equal, ignoring history often means you miss lessons it has to teach. And judging from your comments about Blackberry that were factually wrong, it shows you don't understand the history itself.
Blackberry should absolutely be a cautionary tale to every single business who thinks themselves #1. there is always someone nipping at your heals. Being number 1 today doesn't guarantee number 1 tomorrow. And disruptive tech can always topple even the biggest giants who are caught unaware.
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RIP Blackberry. I know, I know, they're still technically around, but, they're a husk of what they were a decade ago