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So rdp is innovation?

No but the dock and connecting to a real keyboard and mouse and providing a desktop like system is. Apple could easily do it with the iPhone but they would rather sell you a gimped iPad that is "better than a computer" or some such BS.
 
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As I said before: apple's eco system is nothing to brag about because it's a trap. It cost you a lot to get in and even more to get out. It's not something you stay in voluntarily because today it's overpriced, way beyound in what competitors have to offer and most work with Apple gear only something what's making it useless when 90% of the world is using different.

It's both. No doubt Apple makes it hard to give up their ecosystem, but they also make you voluntarily want to stay inside their walled garden as well.

My garden is not walled, it’s well protected, nourished, watered & kept in blossom by the best gardeners in the world. If there’s a weed, they wack it. If there’s a bad bug, they squash it. Everytime I walk in my garden I’m in awe of its palette & synchronicity. I’ve seen the neighbors garden, and I am far less impressed. Sure there are way more flowers in the garden, but its formation is a mess & the lack of a fence just allows any dog to piss in it, weed to penetrate it & makes it harder to maintain.

You win some, you lose some. And there's a lot more that I appreciate about the Apple ecosystem than what I dislike.
 
No but the dock and connecting to a real keyboard and mouse and providing a desktop like system is. Apple could easily do it with the iPhone but they would rather sell you a gimped iPad that is "better than a computer" or some such BS.
That's already been done and redone with the docking station.
 
It's both. No doubt Apple makes it hard to give up their ecosystem, but they also make you voluntarily want to stay inside their walled garden as well.

My garden is not walled, it’s well protected, nourished, watered & kept in blossom by the best gardeners in the world. If there’s a weed, they wack it. If there’s a bad bug, they squash it. Everytime I walk in my garden I’m in awe of its palette & synchronicity. I’ve seen the neighbors garden, and I am far less impressed. Sure there are way more flowers in the garden, but its formation is a mess & the lack of a fence just allows any dog to piss in it, weed to penetrate it & makes it harder to maintain.

You win some, you lose some. And there's a lot more that I appreciate about the Apple ecosystem than what I dislike.

Amen to this. They call us "fanboys" (the "others", LOL) but they fail to grasp we VOLUNTARILY CHOOSE to rave and marvel at such product commitment and polish, we are not held at the end of a rifle, nor are all of us mindless fickle consumer lemmings riding the latest fad wave.
 
No but the dock and connecting to a real keyboard and mouse and providing a desktop like system is. Apple could easily do it with the iPhone but they would rather sell you a gimped iPad that is "better than a computer" or some such BS.

Want to bet that this will be another one of those Samsung features which virtually nobody uses, much less talks about 6 months down the road?
 
To be honest once you're deeply embedded in the apple ecosystem it would require Apple to really mess it up for most to leave.....me included.....
Naah. I've been deeply embedded in Apple since 2002. Had a Macbook Air, have an iMac, iPhone 6+, Apple Watch.

In January I picked up a Windows 10 2-in-1. iCloud integrates with Windows and Outlook just fine. Most of my iWork docs went to Office just fine. I run OneDrive on both the iMac and Windows box and it was simple drag and drop to move most files out to OneDrive.

2 weeks ago I got an Android phone. It was easy to turn off iMessage and other than that it works fine. I do somewhat miss iMessage but I got used to the SMS app quickly.

The only thing I'm going to miss is my Apple Watch. It's a great fitness tracker. The Android Wear 2.0 devices seem to be coming along nicely. Or a Garmin.

It's easy to get out of the ecosystem.
 
Want to bet that this will be another one of those Samsung features which virtually nobody uses, much less talks about 6 months down the road?

Wanna know what made me laugh with slight bewilderment and despair?

~1 "Bixby" - first, what a redonkulous, awkward, kindergarten-esque name... I mean... what?!

~2 That "Bixby" wasn't even prepped and ready to demo on the "hands on" units... WHAT THE?

Samsung: Samesong, different year.
 
Want to bet that this will be another one of those Samsung features which virtually nobody uses, much less talks about 6 months down the road?
I have no idea but it does seem compelling. I'm 99% done paying top dollar for "flagship" devices. I recently moved downmarket in the phone space and it's actually quite good!
 
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I have no idea but it does seem compelling. I'm 99% done paying top dollar for "flagship" devices. I recently moved downmarket in the phone space and it's actually quite good!

Yup. I've never swallowed the belief that people get "more" out of a more expensive device. I own a 5S, a Moto G 3rd gen, two Lumias (640 & 640 XL) and numerous old BlackBerries - Classic, 2x Z10... and a load more. I'm happy chopping and changing around with my secondary/tertiary phones, just to see what's out there. Thinking about getting another Moto G4 (because the G5 is, apparently, not a lot of an upgrade to the G4, and the G5 has a WORSE camera!)
 
Just saw one of these in person at a Best Buy store. Truly incredible. The display is simply gorgeous and very immersive. I'm really excited to see Apple's take on this. I don't plan on getting a new phone until my iPhone 7 breaks or becomes too slow to use, but it's really cool to see the innovation and technological advancements of these phones. The curved OLED display with minimal bezels really makes the iPhone seem outdated in comparison, even if Apple's processor and cameras are some of the best. The S8 takes photos instantly too, quicker than an iPhone. If I ever went back to Android, I'd want a Samsung if they ran stock Android. They truly have the best hardware for Android phones, but their software ruins it for me. I really hope Apple is able to start putting as beautiful of displays on their iPhones as Samsung is doing with their phones. Really incredible.

It is all about the little things.
And the biggest mistake of the s8 is the horrible placement of the fingerprint reader. It is placed to high, should have been placed beneath the camera. It is an annoyance no one is talking about now, because they have not used the s8. But it's will be much talked about, after release and real world usage.

A big, big mistake....
 
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It is all about the little things.
And the biggest mistake of the s8 is the horrible placement of the fingerprint reader. It is placed to high, should have been placed beneath the camera. It is an annoyance no one is talking about now, because they have not used the s8. But it's will be much talked about, after release and real world usage.

A big, big mistake....

It should be NOWHERE NEAR the camera, unless fingerprints on lenses are a good thing, and they NEVER are.

Dopey Samsung, masters of gimmick and whimsy. Mind you, at least they have a heart rate monitor - likely for the sole purpose of preventing you getting TOO angry and worked up when you realise, too late, you've committed yourself to ANOTHER crappy Samsung toy for ANOTHER 12 months or so...
 
3 lines on our family plan just pre ordered today! 2 are iPhone 7 users and trying it out!
 
It should be NOWHERE NEAR the camera, unless fingerprints on lenses are a good thing, and they NEVER are.

Dopey Samsung, masters of gimmick and whimsy. Mind you, at least they have a heart rate monitor - likely for the sole purpose of preventing you getting TOO angry and worked up when you realise, too late, you've committed yourself to ANOTHER crappy Samsung toy for ANOTHER 12 months or so...

Feel better?
 
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Feel better?

Sideways sandwich carton, affixed to a flying horse on wheels, propelled by glitter and good hope.

We are now cruising at a level of two to the power of two hundred and seventy-six thousand to one against and falling...
 
Sideways sandwich carton, affixed to a flying horse on wheels, propelled by glitter and good hope.

We are now cruising at a level of two to the power of two hundred and seventy-six thousand to one against and falling...

Haven't seen someone get so worked up over a phone in my entire life.
 
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How can choice diminish the user experience? If you prefer one app over the other, then YOU are free to choose YOUR default app. Not be dictated to what you are allowed to have as the default selection. I have seen other complaining about not having the choice.
Having the choice to use non Apple software on an Apple device will always lead to stability and feature issues. Yes you have the choice but there are many good reasons to withhold software from users. Same reason why you they don't give users the choice to run CPUs overclocked or change the default mail program. It also makes troubleshooting and support much harder. Remember, Therese are consumer devices used by a billion people. Most of these people don't want that many choices so when some come along and demand choices, they are not always happy with what they get and it affects everyone.
 
How can choice diminish the user experience? If you prefer one app over the other, then YOU are free to choose YOUR default app. Not be dictated to what you are allowed to have as the default selection. I have seen other complaining about not having the choice.

Wow, you REALLY don't see how?

Not everyone wants or needs a bazjillion ways to do ONE SIMPLE THING - they want it to have been pre-decided for them, and they pay good money to have had that decision made for them by people infinitely more informed and qualified to do so than they are... IE, designers and UX experts, they are - after all - generally everyday, normal people who use iPhones - the fatal misunderstanding (either through genuinely misunderstanding how "normal" people think, or often, through sheer tunnel-vision-driven ego) hardcore users tend to fall for is assuming EVERYONE must be a geek and sit on their chair playing around with every single facet of the OS, day in day out - that is NOT how "normals" work - they wake up, get washed, have breakfast with their kids, go to work, come home, eat dinner, watch telly and SLEEP! Anything else that consumes whatever precious time they have left, unnecessarily, is annoying and a nuisance; machines are, after all, meant to FREE UP our time, not cost us it!

Studies have been carried out on consumers who are asked to go into a shop and choose a product from shelves containing EIGHTY varieties and brands of the same product. Most left baffled, annoyed, overwhelmed, and walked away empty handed, as opposed to a shop where there were... say... THREE of the same product. Less options make the mind work less on things it REALLY shouldn't need to be working on... too much choice has been repeatedly proven to be worse than not enough - in fact, just give me FOUR TV channels to choose from, and save me the 45 mins of tediously trawling the 10,000 movies in Netflix, which leaves me TOTALLY drained, annoyed and NOT AT ALL feeling like wanting to watch ANYTHING any more.


How this SIMPLE logic escapes SO many people, escapes ME! (then again, maybe it doesn't so much; that's maybe why there's only ONE Apple, and countless "meh" Android vendors, each very sameish and uninspiring, varying slightly, but nothing worth going to a launch event over.)
 
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How can choice diminish the user experience? If you prefer one app over the other, then YOU are free to choose YOUR default app. Not be dictated to what you are allowed to have as the default selection. I have seen other complaining about not having the choice.

It does when all the choices suck, because you have spread yourself so thin working on multiple features all doing the same thing. As compared to focusing all your resources and energies on working on just one feature and making it work really well.
 
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