Most of these IP Lawyers have backgrounds in the technology. Some have PhDs and JDs. Outside Counsel is almost a pre-requisite for this type of litigation. Internal Counsel supervise the work, but the outside counsel does all of the analysis with experts. There is no disclosure on infringement, just that they are pursuing it.
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Samsung's Lawyers Demand to See iPhone 5 and iPad 3
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Most of these IP Lawyers have backgrounds in the technology. Some have PhDs and JDs. Outside Counsel is almost a pre-requisite for this type of litigation. Internal Counsel supervise the work, but the outside counsel does all of the analysis with experts. There is no disclosure on infringement, just that they are pursuing it.
I respectfully disagree about the phone part. Remember that they've been making phones forever so there's no real reason why they should stop now. They just need to do some more work on their phones with timely updates and their own unique design/UI. They have pretty decent specs if you come to think about it (SAMOLED+, fast processors, etc).
However, I think they should probably stop making tablets. Honestly, how many do they sell? Like 10 with 5 returns? I can't blame them for trying though because they wouldn't know what they are and aren't capable of.
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It's about the idea. If Apple made the case that they can prove it only or more obvious by unannounced Samsung products. Then Samsung can make the argument, for reason of defense, that they need to see Apple's future products.
It's about the idea. If Apple made the case that they can prove it only or more obvious by unannounced Samsung products. Then Samsung can make the argument, for reason of defense, that they need to see Apple's future products.
Get realiPhone is 10 years ahead of both of those phones.
Now I don't entirely agree that the Sensation and GSII is superior to the iPhone 4 in all respect, the iPhone 4 is certainly not 10 years ahead of both of these phones.
Get real
Let me repeat: "Launched in the UK earlier this month, the new Samsung Galaxy S II has quickly become the countrys most popular smartphone.
Just like we told you it happened in South Korea, the Galaxy S II is outselling Apples iPhone 4 in the UK, too"
This was reported by Unwired View. One can expect that once S2 is released in US it'll be more popular than iPhone 4 too.
It makes sense as a business ethic for Samsung. They started business doing groceries, and quickly acquired others, buying out competitors, and technology and manufacturing processes.
Samsung aren't a 'do this one thing' company anymore. You Americans and Europeans know them as an electronics company making TV's and microwaves. They make everything from apartments to cars to oranges and life insurance.
So, when they have a legal team do this, it is from experience. Samsung are a muuuuuuch older company than Apple, much more connected in the world, much larger, and much much more political. If Apple thinks they are up against another tech company, they need to do some research.
Again, Samsung re-hired a CEO who is known for tax-evation and they sue people for political cartoons. Apple may not be ready for Samsung's legal prowess.
Samsung aren't a 'do this one thing' company anymore. You Americans and Europeans know them as an electronics company making TV's and microwaves. They make everything from apartments to cars to oranges and life insurance.
So, when they have a legal team do this, it is from experience. Samsung are a muuuuuuch older company than Apple, much more connected in the world, much larger, and much much more political. If Apple thinks they are up against another tech company, they need to do some research.
Again, Samsung re-hired a CEO who is known for tax-evation and they sue people for political cartoons. Apple may not be ready for Samsung's legal prowess.
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Exactly. Samsung off.
*LTD* said:
Exactly. Samsung off.
Apple to Samsung's Lawyers: Suck It.
The request is made to judge not the Apple layer and if the judge approves the request (as he did for similar request from Apple) Apple will have no choice but to comply.
I wonder when Apple will actually have a final commercial version of their next generation iPad?
Hardware wise it's probably 3 months before release? Software wise perhaps a couple of weeks?
True. And for all we know iPad3 could be coming out next July.
In defence of Samsung (& thousands of companies in similar positions), it's a shame that if a company designs some amazing product or feature, but another firm already has designed that same product/feature and NO-ONE KNOWS about it, that the company isn't allowed to release it because it's considered copying this novel design that they'd never have come up with had they not seen the other product.
Not saying that's the case with Samsung, just annoyed at patents.
That is the crux; but surprisingly I cannot see Apple losing this.
Apple can simply say: No. :|
We ain't making iPhone 5 or iPad 3.
Even if Apple decides in the future to name the iPhone, iPhone 4S and iPad 2S, Samsung's request is proved to be void and things can continue normally.
The request from Samsung is so weird. It's like:
'Please let us peek into Apple's R&D so we can see what's going on and shape our products so that we don't copy them'.
I mean, is that even a request?
Problem is, the products Apple wanted to see were already announced and demo'd by Samsung, so there's really not as much issue here with NDAs; Apple (I assume) just wanted a closer, more detailed look at those products.
On the other hand, Samsung is asking to look at products, that, for all intents and purposes, don't exist yet..
Until Apple is made to swear before a judge under oath, that is
Personally I think this whole thing is quite comical.. as someone put it, like kids fighting in a playground
Does Samsung want to see Apple's designs so they can copy it?
Or to rush a half assed knock off, and claim to the public that Apple copied them when Apple announces the next gen iPhone and iPad?
Or to rush a half assed knock off, and claim to the public that Apple copied them when Apple announces the next gen iPhone and iPad?
All Apple has to say is:
"The iPhone 4S will look identical to the iPhone 4"
What will Samsung do then?
"The iPhone 4S will look identical to the iPhone 4"
What will Samsung do then?
They don't show it to tech blogs. If court orders them to show it, they will have to show it. But it won't be shown publicly, it will be shown to lawyers. This is a simple but smart move, it will allow them to go back to negotiations table, because knowing that Apple was granted access to Samsung hardware, same way Samsung will be granted Apple's hardware, and Apple won't risk it so they will agree to go back to negotiating. Simple bluff.
And all you ifans who think that Samsung only wants to see it so they can copy, you should really think before posting. It's not hard. Samsung tech's won't be allowed access, only lawyers will be allowed access and only with presence of Apple's lawyers.
And what does that say about Apple doing billions of dollars worth of business with them?