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Samsung's Lawyers Demand to See iPhone 5 and iPad 3
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Huh? Stopping thieves is 'arrogant'?
Samsunb is having to pony up their hardware because they're accused of copying apple. There is no accusation of the reverse.
Hmm, I guess this means, as many people here probably already think or know that Samsung just hasn't got any innovation of its own, or as Steve would put it "They just have no taste"
Oh, they have taste, all right. Most grocery stores in South Korea are owned by Samsung directly or by one of its branch corporations. Everything else, though, is adapted from other companies.
Their car line that failed in the 1990's is being resurrected by Renault and Samsung. What do they use? Nissan chassis for their cars. Their plasma and most of the LCD stuff? bought from Japan.
Cameras, lenses, tech, everything is bought from someone else.
I'm surprised they got their towers up so well around the world. I wonder whose tech they bought for that. Originality just isn't their strain, but... they are so big and so powerful, they have the clout to make anything and everything work and keep naive foreigners from realising just how insidiously they work.
Apple would do good to move away from Samsung's fab, RAM, etc., and invest in other manufacturers. If they don't, I'm afraid Samsung will just buy out those other companies before they have larger investments.
If Apple is forced to give Samsung advanced final iPhone and iPad products then:
I'm suing also! I wanna see the NEW iPads and iPhones before everyone else !!
I'm suing also! I wanna see the NEW iPads and iPhones before everyone else !!
Very well stated. Remember, Apple has it's shredder pointed at the Mobile Division. It is very clear in all the complaints.
Apple and Samsung will continue to work together. Apple's Case against the hardware in the Galaxy 2 is legit, and Samsung has a pants full right now.
They are going to get caught using Apple A5 designs in their chips. They will change the design, and move on.
Well he would've if the Phone actually sold in decent numbers or at all where he lives.
It's all very dependant on country. If its not released it might as well be 10 years behind.
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It is ? Have you even seen a Galaxy S2 ? Again, even for the Galaxy S, it depends which model we're talking about. The i9000 ? The Vibrant ? The Captivate ? The Fascinate ? The Epic ?
Apple's case isn't quite so clear cut.
I'm not at all sorry that Apple can't ignore the courts.
Apple's anti-competitive, near monopolistic abuse of competition needs to be constrained.
One thing that slightly jades me about the Android phone market, the bloody naming schemes. No its not that I'm used to model numbers, its just that the naming is starting to become a bit abstract and reeks of "lets brainstorm buzz words".
I want The Song running Android 2.3 for my Birthday. Wait, no maybe I want The Burlesque, or maybe The AWSUM with OMFG UI.
I'm not at all sorry that Apple can't ignore the courts.
Apple's anti-competitive, near monopolistic abuse of competition needs to be constrained.
HA! Good luck of that Happening. If there's anything the US is known for, its regulating its markets.
Wow there is no legal argument here, they are doing it out of spite. Maby we might get some "accidentally" leaked images lol (even though that would probably generate moe apple publicity) they might what ot just pisss apple off.
I'm not at all sorry that Apple can't ignore the courts.
Apple's anti-competitive, near monopolistic abuse of competition needs to be constrained.
What anti-competitive tactics and abuse of competition would that be? (honestly curious)
Samsung based its motion on "internet reports" and "Apple's past practice."
Basing a motion on hearsay and speculation, not fact, nor marketed product...
So basing a motion on Macrumors or Cult of Mac isn't exactly a substantial basis...
Samsung wants "the most current version of each to be produced instead." if the actual engineered products arent yet finalized... No engineers allowed... So flip em a prototype... No guts in the phone... Stick on whatever screen... Slamslung agreed to see whatever...
So Samsung needs to see Apple's future products in order to prepare for a potential motion for a preliminary injunction from the company... Um weak argument at most! This is not a sand pit of castles... Where are Samsungs see-all notices to Sony, or HTC so that they don't 'mistakenly' copy their ip...
According to a report, Apple told Samsung earlier this week that any potential motion for a preliminary injunction "would be based on products Apple currently has in the market.".... So Samsung doesn't understand that the action is about products currently in the market... They just want to copy everything...
Samsung argues that it needs to prepare for the products that will actually be in the market when Apple files the motion, since Apple often discontinues its previous products after launching a newer version. The motion also appeals to "fundamental fairness" as a reason for Apple to provide prototypes of its devices.
Fundamental Fairness. - we think is fair that we copy your IP.... And your future IP. Fairness of duplicating IP? And being prepared with cnc machines and manufacturing processes and reverse engineering of software isn't much of a basis of fairness..
Basing a motion on hearsay and speculation, not fact, nor marketed product...
So basing a motion on Macrumors or Cult of Mac isn't exactly a substantial basis...
Samsung wants "the most current version of each to be produced instead." if the actual engineered products arent yet finalized... No engineers allowed... So flip em a prototype... No guts in the phone... Stick on whatever screen... Slamslung agreed to see whatever...
So Samsung needs to see Apple's future products in order to prepare for a potential motion for a preliminary injunction from the company... Um weak argument at most! This is not a sand pit of castles... Where are Samsungs see-all notices to Sony, or HTC so that they don't 'mistakenly' copy their ip...
According to a report, Apple told Samsung earlier this week that any potential motion for a preliminary injunction "would be based on products Apple currently has in the market.".... So Samsung doesn't understand that the action is about products currently in the market... They just want to copy everything...
Samsung argues that it needs to prepare for the products that will actually be in the market when Apple files the motion, since Apple often discontinues its previous products after launching a newer version. The motion also appeals to "fundamental fairness" as a reason for Apple to provide prototypes of its devices.
Fundamental Fairness. - we think is fair that we copy your IP.... And your future IP. Fairness of duplicating IP? And being prepared with cnc machines and manufacturing processes and reverse engineering of software isn't much of a basis of fairness..
This demand brings Apple the Headlines and negative chaos they thrive on. Yet it's just posturing, Apple is a sacred cow in the eyes of far too many. At the end of the day its relatively meaningless. Corruption is everywhere.
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I don't understand samsungs reasoning at all. Apple feels samsungs products look conspicuosly like their own, and ask for copies of the prototypes for the infringing models to see if something is fishy (all the prototypes look like apple/competitor products, or, the prototoes suddenly shift in direction after apple releases their product to reflect apple's advances, etc.) if apple has a case, this could prove it, on the other hand, if apple doesn't have a case this would be a great way for sanding to prove it.
Instead, samsung demands prototypes of future apple devices under the apparent guise of not wanting to offend apple's lawyers when their next product releases. All it looks like, is their first reaction is to try and get a sneak peak at apple's products... to commit more infringement?
I don't see how apple's future products could possible effect the case about past products.
I don't understand samsungs reasoning at all. Apple feels samsungs products look conspicuosly like their own, and ask for copies of the prototypes for the infringing models to see if something is fishy (all the prototypes look like apple/competitor products, or, the prototoes suddenly shift in direction after apple releases their product to reflect apple's advances, etc.) if apple has a case, this could prove it, on the other hand, if apple doesn't have a case this would be a great way for sanding to prove it.
Instead, samsung demands prototypes of future apple devices under the apparent guise of not wanting to offend apple's lawyers when their next product releases. All it looks like, is their first reaction is to try and get a sneak peak at apple's products... to commit more infringement?
I don't see how apple's future products could possible effect the case about past products.
One would think that a judge would see through this maneuver by Samsung's lawyers, but ya' just never know.
Amazing how much time, effort, and resources go into patent trolling and outright theft of Apple's innovations. Samsung could take a lesson from Microsoft; when you copy something, make sure you copy it in a half-assed way, so as not to arouse suspicion.
Amazing how much time, effort, and resources go into patent trolling and outright theft of Apple's innovations. Samsung could take a lesson from Microsoft; when you copy something, make sure you copy it in a half-assed way, so as not to arouse suspicion.
There's never any point in taking sides in all this. All corporations do things that can easily be considered shady, Apple included. So to say Samsung is shady and not even question Apple in the same way would be very short sighted.
I'm more surprised how Americans don't protest and put much needed attention to the big successful American companies that manufacture outside America. You would think these companies would feel some type of responsibility to their own country and the people that it is made of. Especially in these times.
I'm more surprised how Americans don't protest and put much needed attention to the big successful American companies that manufacture outside America. You would think these companies would feel some type of responsibility to their own country and the people that it is made of. Especially in these times.