Samsung's More Affordable Galaxy S10e Compared to iPhone XR

[I7guy]

Stating “more versatile OS with fewer restrictions” false is your attempt to being “objective?”

To me IOS is a better end-user mobile platform. That is my subjective opinion. To someone else not so much. But that is why there is vanilla and chocolate ice cream.

iOS is known as a “Walled Garden.” There are so much more restrictions on iOS, it’s not even funny.

And for some that is a bunch of positives.

Android has a better file system, better multitasking, more customization, the ability to sideload apps, more accessible developer settings, and doesn’t force you to use Apple’s proprietary products and services to get a lot of functions you can do without Apple tax or restrictions.

Not so sure of all the points mentioned are true. Is APFS better than androids file system? All of what you mentioned, except for multitasking are true statements, but how that matters to an individual is subjective, which is the point being missed.

 

[1144557]

Large companies will charge back their various divisions for services rendered. I would be surprised if Samsung Display division, didn't charge Samsung Mobile for the displays. Given Samsung mobile reports revenue, it makes sense they do, else the revenue per phone is inflated, while the revenue per display is underreported for Samsung displays.

Im not saying they dont charge themselves SOME markup, but Im nearly positive they charge outside people more.

Even $10 more for Apple per panel per device is a meaningful number. If you can save $10 per phone going LCD times tens of millions then it makes sense.

There is not some monstrous difference between the panels; IMO OELD is better but not a substantial amount better in everyday use (yes once dark mode it will definitely have more benefits like power saving, but as it sits now.)

 

[JonKelley]

You missed some things.

- Qualcomm vs Intel baseband radio
- 1080p vs near 720p
- OLED vs LCD
- virtually same display area while being physically smaller
- better battery life without near 720p compromise
- 128GB base storage vs 64GB
- micro SD storage expansion vs none
- better future proofing with 6GB vs 3GB DRAM
- 3.5mm audio jack vs none
- additional wide angle camera vs none
- reverse wireless charging for earbuds/watch vs none
- included fast charger vs slow charger
- included accessories vs none
- IP68 vs IP67
- more versatile OS with much fewer restrictions
- nicer design and build quality that doesn't look Fisher Price
- more convenient fingerprint biometric that doesn't require taking eyes off the road while driving

To Cook, these advantages of the S10e are abhorrent because they would raise Apple's BOM costs and cannibalize the XS/XS Max lines. His mantra seems to be, "What are the cheapest parts we can source and what is the most we can charge our customers?". He would be an outstanding hire for Dell, where middling products and less innovation are the norm. For 2019, I fear we'll get more of the same, with Apple grudgingly adding a second rear camera to the XR while Ive gushes about how 'difficult' it was to essentially copy & paste last year's design, plus an extra $50 price hike.

In the long-run, I hope the competition gets Apple's attention, because if that S10e ran iOS there's not much holding me back from purchasing.

 

[I7guy]

Im not saying they dont charge themselves SOME markup, but Im nearly positive they charge outside people more.

Even $10 more for Apple per panel per device is a meaningful number. If you can save $10 per phone going LCD times tens of millions then it makes sense

And people seem to ignore some people actually prefer LCD over OLED.

That's my only point, you are guessing.

 

[0920872]

- Color accurate
- OS optimized for the hardware
- higher DR sensor
- no bloatware
- part of an ecosystem
- will be updated/supported for years to come without having to cross your fingers and pray
- expensive
- lower resolution display
- notch

Now, reverse all that and you get S10e.

I pretty much know what I'd pick

"Part of an ecosystem." This was true a few years back when Airplay was the most reliable and convenient screen and sound sharing protocol and when Time Machines and AirPort Express devices were sold, and apple kinda cared about the Apple TV.

Google has caught up since, and I can tell you from experience, it's "ecosystem" is superior by the virtue of inclusiveness. The saddest thing is that Google's ecosystem is becoming more seamless too.

 

[zla]

Apple made a bad bet on more expensive phones and now everyone who wasn’t a diehard is aware that there are other good phone companies making better phones for the same price level or less

Exactly, better screen resolutions, thinner, still has a headphone jack, better ip rating for waterproof, better internal storage, sd card expandability, under-the screen fingerprint instead of huge notch... apple is taking a beating on hardware vs samsung.... The only thing they have right now is iOS, but I can't even find a new laptop I'd drop the $ on to remain in the ecosystem... staying the heck away from the TB macbook pro... yikes.

 

[The Game 161]

LMAO. ok.

The 855 “decimates” the A12. You could make yourself a little less obvious by trying to use better words. The 855 can’t even beat my 7 Plus score single core score on geekbench. Sure it opens apps faster because of the animations are different. But that’s about it.

too bad apple devices never take advantage of all that power...Just makes all that power look awful when it loses in speed tests. Not that those speed tests even matter though

 

[1144557]

That's my only point, you are guessing.

So you truly believe Samsung charges itself the same amount as Apple; no advantage.

And I have some ice to go sell Eskimos too.

 

[zla]

To Cook, these advantages of the S10e are abhorrent because they would raise Apple's BOM costs and cannibalize the XS/XS Max lines. His mantra seems to be, "What are the cheapest parts we can source and what is the most we can charge our customers?". He would be an outstanding hire for Dell, where middling products and less innovation are the norm. For 2019, I fear we'll get more of the same, with Apple grudgingly adding a second rear camera to the XR while Ive gushes about how 'difficult' it was to essentially copy & paste last year's design, plus an extra $50 price hike.

In the long-run, I hope the competition gets Apple's attention, because if that S10e ran iOS there's not much holding me back from purchasing.

Yep, people refused to admit time and time again that Jobs was actually something special for Apple.. that isn't to short-change the designers and engineers that were there at the time, but he was a good conductor... Apple is heading to the trash pile

 

[iMEric984]

Yes, I knew you were.
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That what this is about. Varied opinions on the two phones, philosophies of the different manufacturers. If those were my only two choices I would pick the XR. Based on your priorities you will have a different take on what makes a better phone than someone else.

Was not an insult against You, more against apples ridiculous prices. That’s what I meant to think about

Price is subjective. People like myself don’t mind spending $1100 on an iPhone XS Max that will clearly stand the test of time.

Samsung on the other hand is horrible at getting updates out in a timely fashion. So is spending $100-$200 less on a phone that probably won’t get updates after a year that much of a benefit??? I don’t think so, and this is why most people stay loyal to Apple.
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too bad apple devices never take advantage of all that power...Just makes all that power look awful when it loses in speed tests. Not that those speed tests even matter though

iOS is about fluidity. That’s why scrolling looks better on iOS, the gesture based navigation is much smoother. You can reduce animations in settings which makes a small difference. But are people going to really complain about an app opening a second or two faster. I think these “speed tests” should be called opening app tests. It depends on the network connection, animation style, and the SoC. They’re pointless in my opinion.

 

[britabroad]

You missed some things.

- Qualcomm vs Intel baseband radio
- 1080p vs near 720p
- OLED vs LCD
- virtually same display area while being physically smaller
- better battery life without near 720p compromise
- 128GB base storage vs 64GB
- micro SD storage expansion vs none
- better future proofing with 6GB vs 3GB DRAM
- 3.5mm audio jack vs none
- additional wide angle camera vs none
- reverse wireless charging for earbuds/watch vs none
- included fast charger vs slow charger
- included accessories vs none
- IP68 vs IP67
- more versatile OS with much fewer restrictions
- nicer design and build quality that doesn't look Fisher Price
- more convenient fingerprint biometric that doesn't require taking eyes off the road while driving

lots of good points here, but that last one's hilarious. wouldn't you have to use your eyes to look at it after you've unlocked it with the hand you took off the wheel to unlock it?

 

[seeforyourself]

Ugh Once this iPhone X is payed off in November, I might pick this up!

The only problem is that I have an Apple Watch. I think my Apple Watch will be useless if I switch, and I’m not sure if there’s a competitor in the Watch industry like Apple.

We’ll find out

 

[matteuk]

That chin was 2mm away from me buying the phone.

 

[I7guy]

So you truly believe Samsung charges itself the same amount as Apple; no advantage.

And I have some ice to go sell Eskimos too.

Point is there is no “proof” only some wet finger in the air guesses.

 

[cocoua]

People say no one wants smaller phones. Is that why Apple's smallest phone is actually more expensive than other models?

Do you think XS is small?!

 

[The Game 161]

Ugh Once this iPhone X is payed off in November, I might pick this up!

The only problem is that I have an Apple Watch. I think my Apple Watch will be useless if I switch, and I’m not sure if there’s a competitor in the Watch industry like Apple.

We’ll find out

To be honest the galaxy watch is perfectly good as an apple watch replacement.

 

[seeforyourself]

To be honest the galaxy watch is perfectly good as an apple watch replacement.

I thought it doesn’t measure your heart rate? To use my watch 90% for working out and calculating my burned calories

 

[Vanilla35]

I use iOS so my only option would be jailbreaking. I used to back in the day, but I lost interest and didn’t find it was worth it in the end. I prefer the consistent updates that Apple brings.

Yeah I hear ya, and that makes a lot of sense. I personally have been lost by apple as of the last few years since iOS has gotten very stale for me. It needed a redesign a few years ago, imo, and with it getting a bit buggier and more bloated, (iOS 10 and 11 was bad), it lost a lot of what I felt it had going for it in my book.

I'm not locked into the ecosystem though, so that's my perspective with little drawback from switching.

 

[realtuner]

Stating “more versatile OS with fewer restrictions” false is your attempt to being “objective?”

iOS is known as a “Walled Garden.” There are so much more restrictions on iOS, it’s not even funny.

Android has a better file system, better multitasking, more customization, the ability to sideload apps, more accessible developer settings, and doesn’t force you to use Apple’s proprietary products and services to get a lot of functions you can do without Apple tax or restrictions.

Yet with all of those supposed advantages, iOS ecosystem and Apps are far superior to Android. As I mentioned in a previous post, where’s Photoshop for Android? Oh right, it’s not coming. But it is to iOS.

I asked this before in this thread so, but I’ll repeat it here. Where are all the high-end Android Apps? Can you even name any you would consider high-end? Something that might actually utilize the power in a modern smartphone?

 

[The Game 161]

I thought it doesn’t measure your heart rate? To use my watch 90% for working out and calculating my burned calories

It does

 

[PrasadV]

The S10e is by a landslide a better phone than the XR in pretty much every way, except iOS and Face ID.

In fact, the S10e is a better phone than the S10. No curved edges on the screen (no accidental touches and angle based color issues), great form factor, and reliable well placed biometrics. It even offers the same performance and display quality.

I don’t understand why they decided to make the second camera the wide angle instead of the telephoto, that’s the main design choice of the S10e I don’t think was smart.

Luckily I love my iPhone X and don’t feel the need to upgrade or switch for a while. But if apple doesn’t offer a smaller, more fully featured model in the $800 range they are going to loose a lot of people to this phone as it’s clearly the better option over the XR, which was outdated before it was even launched.

Along with FaceID, what about the battery? privacy? support? etc...?
Image the battery backup with the same battery size as XR...It won't even last 70% of XR's...

 

[Shanghaichica]

Do you think XS is small?!

Yes.

 

[nviz22]

To me IOS is a better end-user mobile platform. That is my subjective opinion. To someone else not so much. But that is why there is vanilla and chocolate ice cream.


And for some that is a bunch of positives.


Not so sure of all the points mentioned are true. Is APFS better than androids file system? All of what you mentioned, except for multitasking are true statements, but how that matters to an individual is subjective, which is the point being missed.

Re-read what you typed. Versatile: "having or capable of many uses." (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/versatility)

You can simply do more on Android than iOS, that's a given fact.

• You can use Android's file system in a full fledged manner and access many root files there
• MP3s can be converted to ringtones w/ ease
• Picture in Picture mode is available, so you can use Google Maps with another app
• Splitscreen Apps lets you use a large display to use social media and a SMS app at the same time
• You can sideload the Google Camera app to get even better photos w/ Google's algorithm
• You can mirror a screen without an AppleTV
• Android interacts better w/ more external products, making it more ubiquitous
• Many more other features that I am not going to list out because this list is pretty solid so far

iOS' response to the list of features I mentioned:

• A mediocre designed file system with less features
• iTunes to convert MP3s to ringtones
• PiP is nowhere to be found on an iPhone, except some apps like Twitter can shrink videos while you read tweets
• Splitscreen Apps nowhere to be found on iPhones
• Sideloading is inherently forbidden in Apple's walled garden
• AppleTV is there to purchase at $180 USD for the 4k edition, especially if you want Apple's upcoming streaming service
• It has to work with iOS and its' "kits" to express more functionality

A walled garden isn't a positive. It's a negative because one company dictates what you get in it.

I am not talking about individual preferences. I am talking about being objective and stating things as is. Calling iOS more versatile than Android is like calling Windows RT more versatile than Windows 10.

If iOS is a better end user platform, then why wouldn't more people spring the $ in China?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/hua...from-apple-iphone-samsung-galaxy-gartner.html

Apple and Samsung both lost marketshare in China. Huawei gained marketshare. They offer more comprehensive phones at more affordable prices. Apple and Samsung should both be worried.

http://fortune.com/2019/02/21/apple-iphone-sales-2018/

Apple's end of 2018 sales declined too: "During the fourth quarter of 2018, global iPhone sales hit 64.5 million units, earning Apple 15.8% market share during the period. That was down from 73.2 million unit sales and 17.9% market share during the fourth quarter of 2017, according to Gartner. Apple’s drop was the biggest decline of any major smartphone maker during the period."

If the end user wants to get the "best experience," then they would fork over the $ for the latest and greatest, right? I mean isn't the XR supposed to be Apple's latest design language in a more affordable package? The $750 price point wasn't enough to satisfy that. Hence, why Apple had to get more aggressive with marketing and trade in promotions, which isn't as typical with their recent past iterations.

 

[I7guy]

Re-read what you typed. Versatile: "having or capable of many uses." (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/versatility)

You can simply do more on Android than iOS, that's a given fact.

• You can use Android's file system in a full fledged manner and access many root files there
• MP3s can be converted to ringtones w/ ease
• Picture in Picture mode is available, so you can use Google Maps with another app
• Splitscreen Apps lets you use a large display to use social media and a SMS app at the same time
• You can sideload the Google Camera app to get even better photos w/ Google's algorithm
• You can mirror a screen without an AppleTV
• Android interacts better w/ more external products, making it more ubiquitous
• Many more other features that I am not going to list out because this list is pretty solid so far

iOS' response to the list of features I mentioned:

• A mediocre designed file system with less features
• iTunes to convert MP3s to ringtones
• PiP is nowhere to be found on an iPhone, except some apps like Twitter can shrink videos while you read tweets
• Splitscreen Apps nowhere to be found on iPhones
• Sideloading is inherently forbidden in Apple's walled garden
• AppleTV is there to purchase at $180 USD for the 4k edition, especially if you want Apple's upcoming streaming service
• It has to work with iOS and its' "kits" to express more functionality

A walled garden isn't a positive. It's a negative because one company dictates what you get in it.

I am not talking about individual preferences. I am talking about being objective and stating things as is. Calling iOS more versatile than Android is like calling Windows RT more versatile than Windows 10.

If iOS is a better end user platform, then why wouldn't more people spring the $ in China?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/hua...from-apple-iphone-samsung-galaxy-gartner.html

Apple and Samsung both lost marketshare in China. Huawei gained marketshare. They offer more comprehensive phones at more affordable prices. Apple and Samsung should both be worried.

http://fortune.com/2019/02/21/apple-iphone-sales-2018/

Apple's end of 2018 sales declined too: "During the fourth quarter of 2018, global iPhone sales hit 64.5 million units, earning Apple 15.8% market share during the period. That was down from 73.2 million unit sales and 17.9% market share during the fourth quarter of 2017, according to Gartner. Apple’s drop was the biggest decline of any major smartphone maker during the period."

If the end user wants to get the "best experience," then they would fork over the $ for the latest and greatest, right? I mean isn't the XR supposed to be Apple's latest design language in a more affordable package? The $750 price point wasn't enough to satisfy that. Hence, why Apple had to get more aggressive with marketing and trade in promotions, which isn't as typical with their recent past iterations.

This entire post has nothing to do what phone is better in a subjective sense or what operating system is better in subjective sense. There is no objectiveness here, only what compromises work better for an individual.

As far as China, the expensive Galaxy phones aren't doing well there either. So that negates all of the discussions about Android being "better". And if I were Samsung, I would be more worried about Huawei than Apple.

Apple had the second best record quarter quarter last quarter. If you have been following Apple, they are paving the way for revenue paths away from the iphone.

"Best experience" is clearly subjective, not objective.

 

[nviz22]

Yet with all of those supposed advantages, iOS ecosystem and Apps are far superior to Android. As I mentioned in a previous post, where’s Photoshop for Android? Oh right, it’s not coming. But it is to iOS.

I asked this before in this thread so, but I’ll repeat it here. Where are all the high-end Android Apps? Can you even name any you would consider high-end? Something that might actually utilize the power in a modern smartphone?

The ecosystem is overrated though. If you're splurging on a brand out of continuity and loyalty, then you're missing out on other experiences. Why should I have to buy one type of laptop to get iMessages on a machine to reply to a friend or family member?

If people cared enough about the app superiority, then why did Apple's Q4 2018 results show declines? Wouldn't people want to spend the extra $ for getting Sony's PS4 remote play or something of that nature? Photoshop being previewed on an iPad isn't the same as an iPhone. Android as a tablet OS is severely lacking. I am talking about iOS as a smartphone platform here. Apple segmented iOS further w/ their iPads having more multi-tasking than iPhones.

I am sure there are plenty of high end apps on Android. Why does it even matter? It doesn't change the fact you can do more with an Android device. I am going to sacrifice the extra A12 oomph for more versatility after WWDC 2019. I am just waiting to confirm Apple doesn't give a hoot about multi-tasking on its iPhones before I pull the plug on owning an iPhone. I am tired of having the processing power to use an OS that is underwhelming.