Samsung's More Affordable Galaxy S10e Compared to iPhone XR

[The Game 161]

The ecosystem is overrated though. If you're splurging on a brand out of continuity and loyalty, then you're missing out on other experiences. Why should I have to buy one type of laptop to get iMessages on a machine to reply to a friend or family member?

If people cared enough about the app superiority, then why did Apple's Q4 2018 results show declines? Wouldn't people want to spend the extra $ for getting Sony's PS4 remote play or something of that nature? Photoshop being previewed on an iPad isn't the same as an iPhone. Android as a tablet OS is severely lacking. I am talking about iOS as a smartphone platform here. Apple segmented iOS further w/ their iPads having more multi-tasking than iPhones.

I am sure there are plenty of high end apps on Android. Why does it even matter? It doesn't change the fact you can do more with an Android device. I am going to sacrifice the extra A12 oomph for more versatility after WWDC 2019. I am just waiting to confirm Apple doesn't give a hoot about multi-tasking on its iPhones before I pull the plug on owning an iPhone. I am tired of having the processing power to use an OS that is underwhelming.

app quality is only an issue on android tablets.

I have recently bought the tab S4 and it's a great tablet but apps are lacking but it does other things better than the Ipad and others not so much. I love my pro 12.9 and will use it more for certain tasks but for video/files/sharing user profiles it's ideal and better

app quality is really no different on the phone though. They are just laid out differently but the quality is no different and end of the day still gives you the same information.

 

[v0lume4]

You want to know the reason Samsung didn’t include the 5g chip in every s10 model? Total greed. It’s easy to throw some words in a post. Much more difficult to understand the marketing rational of these companies and the demographic information they collected about their target customers.

5G is completely new. OLED is not new; not in any sense of the word. Frankly, Apple was one of the very few major flagship manufacturers not offering it prior to the iPhone X.

Not a valid argument.

 

[nviz22]

app quality is only an issue on android tablets.

I have recently bought the tab S4 and it's a great tablet but apps are lacking but it does other things better than the Ipad and others not so much. I love my pro 12.9 and will use it more for certain tasks but for video/files/sharing user profiles it's ideal and better

app quality is really no different on the phone though. They are just laid out differently but the quality is no different and end of the day still gives you the same information.

Exactly, the smartphone editions are negligible enough to where people prioritize other considerations like price point.

Seems like iPhones are losing more legs to stand on, especially since other OEMs can offer better core products at cheaper prices. Also with more features too.

But the most vehement of Apple fans will continue to boast about Apple’s ecosystem and a few other tidbits that really aren’t worth splurging on each year for.

The XS Max is probably my last iOS product for awhile.

If you gave me a budget to buy a tablet, phone, a smartwatch, and a laptop? Assuming I don’t own my 2015 MBP, my iPhone, an Apple Watch, or my Surface. None of my purchases would be an Apple product.

I would go with a Dell XPS 13”, a Galaxy S10+, a FitBit Versa, and a Surface Pro 6.

I refuse to go completely Apple again because it’s expensive, limiting, and also hurts my ability to buy some product extensions.

 

[DNichter]

Yeah I hear ya, and that makes a lot of sense. I personally have been lost by apple as of the last few years since iOS has gotten very stale for me. It needed a redesign a few years ago, imo, and with it getting a bit buggier and more bloated, (iOS 10 and 11 was bad), it lost a lot of what I felt it had going for it in my book.

I'm not locked into the ecosystem though, so that's my perspective with little drawback from switching.

I think that’s fair. Apple has kind of always been that way though. Don’t change things for a while, stay consistent, slight changes over time, eventually a big redesign. I am not really seeing a ton of difference in Android to be honest though, aside from what you can ultimately do to your phone through various customization options. Android has looked generally the same for years. A widget on the home screen doesn’t do much for me. I do think some customization in iOS would go a long way though, similar to what is available with Apple Watch. I think that would make iOS feel less stale for a lot of people.

 

[v0lume4]

The S10e looks nice, there is no denying that. It being smaller then the Xr also earns it extra points in my books. It has been evident for a few years now that Apple is going to have to really work hard to stay ahead of the Android manufacturers.

I don't know if I would consider the Samsung though, if I my current phone was dying. For one, I don't want to deal with another platform - let's just call it laziness, and more to the heart of the matter for both platforms, I just don't care anymore. I carry my phone less and less. I don't make calls when travelling, driving, hiking, running, cycling, etc. Nor do I want to be interrupted. I am clearly in the minority, and might well forever be there, but I moved on from the phone as a hub to mobile life, to disconnecting this 'mobile life' - it adds no value to my life. I use wearables for training, but that is it for me.

I will 'sync' with the connected world when I get home.

I should note that the phone manufacturers themselves helped push me this way when the phones grew into bricks, and Garmin allowed me to complete the transition to a phone-less mobile life.

WELL SAID!! I love this. I myself have been doing the same thing too. Over the past few months I finally have realized just how much time of my life disappears into my phone. And five minutes later after checking it, I hardly remember anything that I looked at. And by the end of the day, I look at my 2-3 hours of screen on time and I ask myself, "For what?"

So Ive been making a deliberate choice to just not use my phone. I won't carry it into rooms with me. I've disabled Instagram notifications and hidden Instagram back in my app drawer, off of my home screen (Android).

And you know what? It feels great. There's some more of us out here!

The ecosystem is overrated though. If you're splurging on a brand out of continuity and loyalty, then you're missing out on other experiences. Why should I have to buy one type of laptop to get iMessages on a machine to reply to a friend or family member?

If people cared enough about the app superiority, then why did Apple's Q4 2018 results show declines? Wouldn't people want to spend the extra $ for getting Sony's PS4 remote play or something of that nature? Photoshop being previewed on an iPad isn't the same as an iPhone. Android as a tablet OS is severely lacking. I am talking about iOS as a smartphone platform here. Apple segmented iOS further w/ their iPads having more multi-tasking than iPhones.

I am sure there are plenty of high end apps on Android. Why does it even matter? It doesn't change the fact you can do more with an Android device. I am going to sacrifice the extra A12 oomph for more versatility after WWDC 2019. I am just waiting to confirm Apple doesn't give a hoot about multi-tasking on its iPhones before I pull the plug on owning an iPhone. I am tired of having the processing power to use an OS that is underwhelming.

Can confirm that the multitasking is a huge boon. When I was shopping for my current phone (Android; previously iOS), I figured multitasking would be something kind of gimmicky that I never really used on a screen as small as a phone, but I can tell you that I use it all the time. For me I mostly use it when watching a YouTube video and needing to respond to a text. I can keep the video playing on the top of the screen while I respond below. Apple clearly has the software to do this as we have seen in the iPad -- why won't they decided to their phones? Not even their behemoth Xs Max?

 

[The Game 161]

Exactly, the smartphone editions are negligible enough to where people prioritize other considerations like price point.

Seems like iPhones are losing more legs to stand on, especially since other OEMs can offer better core products at cheaper prices. Also with more features too.

But the most vehement of Apple fans will continue to boast about Apple’s ecosystem and a few other tidbits that really aren’t worth splurging on each year for.

The XS Max is probably my last iOS product for awhile.

If you gave me a budget to buy a tablet, phone, a smartwatch, and a laptop? Assuming I don’t own my 2015 MBP, my iPhone, an Apple Watch, or my Surface. None of my purchases would be an Apple product.

I would go with a Dell XPS 13”, a Galaxy S10+, a FitBit Versa, and a Surface Pro 6.

I refuse to go completely Apple again because it’s expensive, limiting, and also hurts my ability to buy some product extensions.

Well funny you should say pricing and what things cost


Getting the

S10 plus

Galaxy Watch

Tab S4


Over the

Iphone

Apple watch

Ipad pro 12.9


You are looking at it costing 1k cheaper…which really is shocking.

 

[novakk86]

A piece of hardware sans software is useless. You can’t separate the physical device from the OS/ecosystem as it’s ability to be useful is directly tied to that OS/ecosystem.

Google has something planned with their new OS? Which one is that? Google can’t make up their mind.

Chrome OS isn’t going anywhere. It’s a wannabee desktop OS with too many limitations and a severe lack of professional high-end software. So what does Google do to stimulate Chrome OS? Why they add the ability to run Android Apps. So now you’ve got the wannabee desktop OS running mobile Apps from developers who can’t even be bothered to optimize their Apps for tablets. And now they’re expected to suddenly change their ways and optimize to run on a Chromebook? We know how that will turn out as anyone who’s ran Android Apps on Chrome will tell you - it’s the same situation as on tablets.

Or maybe you mean that other Google OS, Fuchsia. We already have Windows/macOS established on the desktop and iOS/Android on mobile. There’s no room for a third desktop OS so all Fuchsia has left is mobile and embedded. On mobile all Google could possibly do is replace Android with Fuchsia and allow current Apps to run so people aren’t stuck with new devices and no software. But this doesn’t really help Google as they’re replacing one mobile OS with another. They’re still stuck with all those developers who simply “can’t be bothered”.

Oh, and Google just removed (transferred) a bunch of people in their hardware division responsible for tablets/laptops and apparently cancelled future products. Yet another nail in the coffin.
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Opening Apps and closing them before actually using them is “real world” use?

Why are all the Android users afraid of opening Apps and then spending time in those Apps doing something to show how people actually use their devices? You know, testing the speed while actually performing work, not launching endless Apps in a loop.

They're developing processor as well. Don't underestimate Google, they have monopoly on the entire internet (browser, search, YouTube, mail) ... They can push a new os and make deals with developers in no time.

 

[nviz22]

Well funny you should say pricing and what things cost


Getting the

S10 plus

Galaxy Watch

Tab S4


Over the

Iphone

Apple watch

Ipad pro 12.9


You are looking at it costing 1k cheaper…which really is shocking.

If I am spending $ on a tablet, like say $500 or so? It has to have x86 capabilities. I think the iPad Pro 2018 is a complete joke because it's an expensive larger iPad w/ FaceID and smaller bezels w/ a substantial increase in pricing over the conventional 9.7" iPad.

For me, Windows does a decent enough job w/ tablet apps for me not to notice not having an iPad or Samsung tablet since I use my Surface for productivity and watching out of market hockey games.

 

[I7guy]

5G is completely new. OLED is not new; not in any sense of the word. Frankly, Apple was one of the very few major flagship manufacturers not offering it prior to the iPhone X.

Not a valid argument.

One argument is as valid as the next. 5G is new and Samsung has the chip and included the chip in one phone. They could have included the chip in the other phones. Just using your own argument of "total greed".

 

[mi7chy]

lots of good points here, but that last one's hilarious. wouldn't you have to use your eyes to look at it after you've unlocked it with the hand you took off the wheel to unlock it?

It has Google Assistant and not Siri so voice commands actually work. Another bullet point advantage for Galaxy S10e.

 

[nviz22]

WELL SAID!! I love this. I myself have been doing the same thing too. Over the past few months I finally have realized just how much time of my life disappears into my phone. And five minutes later after checking it, I hardly remember anything that I looked at. And by the end of the day, I look at my 2-3 hours of screen on time and I ask myself, "For what?"

So Ive been making a deliberate choice to just not use my phone. I won't carry it into rooms with me. I've disabled Instagram notifications and hidden Instagram back in my app drawer, off of my home screen (Android).

And you know what? It feels great. There's some more of us out here!

Can confirm that the multitasking is a huge boon. When I was shopping for my current phone (Android; previously iOS), I figured multitasking would be something kind of gimmicky that I never really used on a screen as small as a phone, but I can tell you that I use it all the time. For me I mostly use it when watching a YouTube video and needing to respond to a text. I can keep the video playing on the top of the screen while I respond below. Apple clearly has the software to do this as we have seen in the iPad -- why won't they decided to their phones? Not even their behemoth Xs Max?

Probably to keep iPad sales up because a 6.5" phablet is more useful than a 7.9" iPad Mini. But realistically, big screen iPhones just have larger real estate and more pixels to push relative to the pre iPhone 6 generations. Not going to get into a PPI discussion about the XR either because that device not having a FHD screen is quite disappointing.

What current Android are you using? I am thinking about going with the S10+, OnePlus 7, or Pixel 4 as my next device. The S10+ is a huge odds on favorite because I enjoyed my software experience with the S10e. I just don't like the FP sensor location.

 

[Jakewilk]

Better is highly subjective. It's not about just hardware specs or just software specs or even the combination of the two of them if the end result is still not doing what someone wants, or if it's unreliable, or hard to use.

I think Apple is stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are investing huge amounts of money into engineering the internals of the phone. Unlike other companies that buy stock processors (ie. Snapdragon), Apple engineers its own CPUs that perform just as well with fewer resources (RAM, etc.). That matters. But it costs money.

Apple has clearly stated they do not build low-margin bottom-feeding products. The latest Mac mini is an example of that. People complain about the low specs of the Mac mini, so Apple comes out with a high-spec mini, but with that comes a higher price. Then people complain about the price. Ironically, I'm complaining about the price, but found the specs to be sufficient. Apple just can't win, nor can every segment of their customer base.

I would argue that the iphone X didn’t need to cost $1000 when years and years of R&D meant phones that only costed $650-$800. The $250 price hike could not be justified. The consumers took a chance on the X because they believed in what apple could do, but I don’t think it will work twice on the same people unless they drop prices to an honest level or invest in R&D more wisely than they seem to have been doing

 

[realtuner]

They're developing processor as well. Don't underestimate Google, they have monopoly on the entire internet (browser, search, YouTube, mail) ... They can push a new os and make deals with developers in no time.

And? You think Google is suddenly going to become a player in the processor space? Who’s going to be the consumer of those processors? Pixels? They sell in minuscule quantities compared to Exynos, Kirin Mediatek or Snapdragon let alone getting anywhere near a fraction of iPhone sales.

Did you just claim Google has a monopoly on the Internet and can use that monopoly to promote their products? Seriously?

I’m curious, if Google has so much “power” then how come they can’t make deals with developers to make Android tablets worthwhile? Or make deals to get Adobe to bring Photoshop to Android or create new software like Gemini. How come Android is a distant second to iOS for corporate use? Can’t they use all that power to convince large companies to use Android? And the biggest one of all - how come they can’t force OEMs to provide timely updates to Android?

Seems to me like Google doesn’t have anywhere near the power you claim.
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The ecosystem is overrated though. If you're splurging on a brand out of continuity and loyalty, then you're missing out on other experiences. Why should I have to buy one type of laptop to get iMessages on a machine to reply to a friend or family member?

If people cared enough about the app superiority, then why did Apple's Q4 2018 results show declines? Wouldn't people want to spend the extra $ for getting Sony's PS4 remote play or something of that nature? Photoshop being previewed on an iPad isn't the same as an iPhone. Android as a tablet OS is severely lacking. I am talking about iOS as a smartphone platform here. Apple segmented iOS further w/ their iPads having more multi-tasking than iPhones.

I am sure there are plenty of high end apps on Android. Why does it even matter? It doesn't change the fact you can do more with an Android device. I am going to sacrifice the extra A12 oomph for more versatility after WWDC 2019. I am just waiting to confirm Apple doesn't give a hoot about multi-tasking on its iPhones before I pull the plug on owning an iPhone. I am tired of having the processing power to use an OS that is underwhelming.

So many logical fallacies in this post I don’t know where to start.

You’re “sure” there are high end Android Apps? Then please list them so I can try them out on my devices. Simply claiming there must be some isn’t any kind of proof.

What does Apple’s last quarter (where they still made more than Samsung has ever made in their entire history and literally had double the mobile revenues of Samsung in a supposedly failed quarter) have to do with Android having inferior Apps? Oh right, nothing at all.

You can do more with an Android device? How is that even possible with inferior Apps and an inferior ecosystem? You need software on your device to get things done, and iOS excels in that regard.

 

[seeforyourself]

It does

interesting! I may switch then! thank you!

 

[JGIGS]

It’s not less expensive when you consider resale and the Android phones are worth $200 in 12 months.


Also, iPhones have longer useable lifespans, are more durable, and are actually supported by Apple with both hardware and software.

The benifit of higher resale depends on if you even resell your phone and how. Trade ins of any kind don’t get you a lot of money back usually.

In the past they might have had longer lifespans but you can predict that on brand new S10e and a lot of people replace their phone within 2-3 years during which an the S10e should be more than fine for spec wise.

More durable? Proof? They are both made out glass the fall the wrong way they both will break.

 

[star-affinity]

Opening Apps and closing them before actually using them is “real world” use?

Why are all the Android users afraid of opening Apps and then spending time in those Apps doing something to show how people actually use their devices? You know, testing the speed while actually performing work, not launching endless Apps in a loop.

No it's not real world usage, but "real world usage" in the sense that it's not a benchmark software being run that gives a result in numbers for the CPU and GPU – this is something we know the A12 wins, especially when it comes to single core Performa. Now, would one think that should translate into opening and closing apps would be faster on the iPhone with A12?

Of course there are other things that matter in a phone than opening and closing apps (for example I've always felt that input lag has been better on Apple devices compared to the Android devices I've used – don't know if Galaxy 10 is any better) but at least these test shows approximately how fast the devices opens apps, which is something all of us do and in the long run saving half a second here and there can shave of quite some time just waiting for the app getting ready, so yes – I absolutely think these tests are at least relevant to real world usage albeit not the only aspect that's relevant.

I also think it would be difficult to conduct the type of test you're asking for. Or you think it's possible the IOS devices ar faster at doing things within the apps despite the Samsung ones opening and losing most things faster? I doubt that, but sure – maybe it is so.

 

[catportal]

For people wondering why hole punch is better than notch, if you turn the phone 180 degrees, the hole punch is in the bottom right corner. You know what is also commonly on the bottom right corner of videos? A channel logo. You rarely will lose anything important there while getting a full screen immersive experience.

 

[andresebr]

At this point I don’t spend my money on Apple stuff because of hardware features and design. We know Samsung is way ahead of Apple in that regard. But there’s little ecosystem features I know I couldn’t live without. Before getting my Xr I really considered getting an S9 instead which offered a lot more great stuff for a couple hundred less than I ended up spending on my current phone. But stuff like Universal Clipboard, AirDrop and being able to answer phone calls from my Mac won at the end. Those are things I know I would miss a lot without an iPhone, and using third party apps that may or may not work as expected 100% of the time in order to get a similar integration was not an option.

 

[KevinN206]

Hey, headphone jacks… I remember those! What a blast from the past. You used to have to run a wire from your phone to a set of earphones, kind of like those old-fashioned telephones where the handset was connected by a wire to the receiver. I love quaint old technology from yesteryear.

I love the OPTION of using it. Worked very well on my 18 hours flight trip having to bring just one $20 wired earphone for the airplane audio jack and my phone with the headphone jack. Best part? It easily goes into my pockets.

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I’m sorry $159 is a fortune for you.

Wireless headphones still have their advantages and people don’t need studio quality sound most of the time.

The headphone jack is an OPTION. That's all. It's obvious that Samsung is able to squeeze in so much more hardware spec while still keeping the jack. Maybe they'll remove it one day, but not with the S10.

 

[realtuner]

I also think it would be difficult to conduct the type of test you're asking for. Or you think it's possible the IOS devices ar faster at doing things within the apps despite the Samsung ones opening and losing most things faster? I doubt that, but sure – maybe it is so.

It’s very easy. Load up any App and perform the same functions on both. Load a photo editor and open a large image file. Do some basic manipulations and see how the device responds. Can you zoom in & out smoothly or is it jittery? Does applying an effect take 1 second on phone A but 2 seconds on phone B?

Or the one people hate - rendering a 4K video file. Tom’s Guide has done this test several times and the difference between an iPhone and other flagships is significant. As in the iPhone finishes several times faster (30 seconds vs 1-3 minutes on others). That’s going to have a far bigger impact on you getting anything done than saving a split second opening an App.

These tests are easy to do yet for some reason nobody ever bothers. Likely because they don’t generate clicks.


Curious, did you see the Photoshop demo on the iPad Pro? They loaded a 3GB image file with 12,000x12,000 resolution and 157 layers. And they were able to move around, zoom in & out and apply effects and everything was snappy. Meanwhile, Photoshop was demoed on a Windows ARM device awhile back and all they did was load a photo and perform a basic function (radial blur) and everyone was like OMG you can run full-blown Photoshop on an ARM processor. Yeah right.

 

[KevinN206]

iPhone XR, $749 with at least 5 years of support, 41 cents a day.
Galaxy S10e, $749 with, at best, maybe 3 years of support, 68 cents a day.

The iPhone XR is the better value for the money.

Sure. XR for the last two years while S10e for the first three years. Maybe it's just me but I would rather enjoy the first three years with the best hardware and decide on if the software updates after that is still important.

 

[I7guy]

I love the OPTION of using it. Worked very well on my 18 hours flight trip having to bring just one $20 wired earphone for the airplane audio jack and my phone with the headphone jack. Best part? It easily goes into my pockets.

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The headphone jack is an OPTION. That's all. It's obvious that Samsung is able to squeeze in so much more hardware spec while still keeping the jack. Maybe they'll remove it one day, but not with the S10.

My wife has two bluetooth headsets and one wired with a headphone jack and earpods with a lightning connector. She has recently been using the earpods with her iphone 7. Lack of a jack does not stop her from using wired headphones.

 

[KevinN206]

Is it just me or these new "cheaper versions" actually look more crisp than their more expensive versions.

It looks better because it doesn't have the stupid curved edge.

 

[GuruZac]

I think that’s fair. Apple has kind of always been that way though. Don’t change things for a while, stay consistent, slight changes over time, eventually a big redesign. I am not really seeing a ton of difference in Android to be honest though, aside from what you can ultimately do to your phone through various customization options. Android has looked generally the same for years. A widget on the home screen doesn’t do much for me. I do think some customization in iOS would go a long way though, similar to what is available with Apple Watch. I think that would make iOS feel less stale for a lot of people.

I would be very happy with split screen, PiP, the ability create ringtones without using an app through iTunes, and dark mode in iOS 13. Other than those features, there's not a whole lot I feel I'm missing out on with iOS. I don't customize and I don't root my phones, so the extra functionality of Android is lost on me. I appreciate others like the flexibility. To each their own.

 

[KevinN206]

My wife has two bluetooth headsets and one wired with a headphone jack and earpods with a lightning connector. She has recently been using the earpods with her iphone 7. Lack of a jack does not stop her from using wired headphones.

That's great for her usage. Samsung shows it's possible to put in a lot of hardware in a smaller and thinner package while also keeping the jack.