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Mark.g4 said:
because if you buy a mac gaming is the least of your problems.
There are entire product sectors that aren't dedicated to gaming at all and this monitor is dedicated to digital creatives, not gamers, so all criticisms of Hz are sterile.

in fact I asked you what advantages would bring the 120hz and you didn't answer, because there aren't any, apart from a purely aesthetic aspect.

How to criticize a Lamborghini for not being good off-road.
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So you think the only people buying this monitor will be Mac users?

LOL, ok.
 
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Mark.g4 said:
no real use, just very nice to look at:
everything moves very smooth and fluid like oil.

What would be the real benefits, to using a 120Hz, except for gaming?...gaming is the only area where there is a real benefit. But this monitor is not for gaming.

The movies are almost all recorded at 24fps, some at 60fps.
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Apple already gave examples when they introduced ProMotion for iPhone 13 Pro. It helps with anything from maximizing a window to scrolling a spreadsheet.
 
bsolar said:
Yes, actually. 120Hz allow for judder-free 5:5 pulldown of 24Hz content which is the standard framerate for movies. On a 60Hz display you'd have to do 3:2 pulldown instead which introduces judder.
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Only if display is not able to put 24 or 48Hz...so no problem, with many 60Hz display.
 
JPack said:
Try pivoting or swiveling the monitor with dollar store books.
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Doesnt sound like the right fit for you then. *IF* you are actually in the market for a 27" 5K dispaly, and those things are important to you, then buy accordingly. Either Apple with the stand or with the VESA mount and your own arm, or something else.

I dont understand the kvetching about the cost. If I want to pull a 50000 lb trailer, Im not gonna be able to do that with an F150. I need to *pay* for an F450.
 
JPack said:
Apple already gave examples when they introduced ProMotion for iPhone 13 Pro. It helps with anything from maximizing a window to scrolling a spreadsheet.
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As I have written several times, it is only aesthetic and is very nice to see, as a working functionality it brings nothing.
Is it a killer feature? absolutely not, the only real sector that benefits from 120hz is gaming and the houses do incessant marketing on refresh rate.

I prefer a monitor with 100%P3 DeltaE<2 and at least 600 lumens to have true HDR, rather than useless 120Hz.

For me, the color specification is much more important than the Hz.
IMHO
 
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Sorry meant response time not refresh rate. I have a ROG Strix monitor that is 1 ms. But knowing these are 60 Hz that won’t do it for me anyway.
 
blazerunner said:
So you think the only people buying this monitor will be Mac users?

LOL, ok.
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a monitor that is strongly inspired by the apple studio display in design, and the isgith camera, with a display for photographers and video makers, what type of users do you think it wants to intercept?
the gamers? lol

It is obvious that it is a product that wants to enter the Apple Studio Display market share.

If you are a gamer, look elsewhere.

Because reasoning with the head of a gamer on a product for photo-video editing is totally wrong and leads to sterile criticism.

Here the focus is on color quality and productivity and not on gaming.
 
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badgerbadgerx2 said:
LOL. until when? 2030? 2040? Its an ancient 2556 x 1440 display, and I wager the color accuracy is long long long past. Maybe its the USB2/FW800 ports? Im all for using older tech or hanging onto things for a long time... but any $300 4K display will be sharper and have better color. However, the build quality... no way to beat apple.


On sale now, $1400 at amazon, was $1350 a week ago. And $1350 as refrub @Apple Store. Many ex-27" iMac uses have moved to the apple display -- which was also glossy and not adjustable.

Not defending the "no adjustment" thing, but how often do people move their monitors? I doubt if I have adjusted mine in.... years?
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I tend to agree with the guy you replied to. No monitor, of any spec, is worth 4-figures to me.

I currently have a 27" Dell 4k that just replaced a Dell 2005FPW 21", that I bought during grad school in 2005. I hope this one lasts as long.
 
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Realityck said:
Some of the things that Apple charges for are just lame. Considering the various computer displays out there, most vendors include tilt and height adjustment stands as a standard feature. You even have Samsung's Matte coating to limit light reflection and glare on the monitor, instead of paying extra for Apple's Nano Texture. Then you have this display listing for $1599, who know how low it will go on sale?
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Yeah, I'm gonna wait and see if this thing goes on sale over the holidays. Samsung has some deep monitor discounts often - the previous gen M8 monitor was often around $400, or 40% off, so it seems feasible that this could get down closer to $1K, which is insane but comparatively better. The Studio Display is regularly ~1350 at Costco/Amazon so that's the backup. My current LG 4K monitor is a bit long in the tooth and looking for an upgrade.
 
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Mark.g4 said:
a monitor that is strongly inspired by the apple studio display in design, and the isgith camera, with a display for photographers and video makers, what type of users do you think it wants to intercept?
the gamers? lol

It is obvious that it is a product that wants to enter the Apple Studio Display market share.

If you are a gamer, look elsewhere.

Because reasoning with the head of a gamer on a product for photo-video editing is totally wrong and leads to sterile criticism.

Here the focus is on color quality and productivity and not on gaming.
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Guaranteed you were praising Apple when they put in those useless 120hz displays in their new MacBooks.
 
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Sorinut said:
I tend to agree with the guy you replied to. No monitor, of any spec, is worth 4-figures to me.

I currently have a 27" Dell 4k that just replaced my 2005FPW, that I bought during grad school in 2005. I hope this one lasts as long.
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Different needs for different uses.

I cant imagine my neightbor spending $2K on a lift for his truck that has prob never seen dirt in its life, which seems friviouls.

But $$$$ on a monitor, doing work tha require color acuracy and the ability to see fine details to put food on my table... worth it. Im sure there are hundreds of examples of this throughtout every industry.

But for home use.... meh.
 
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blazerunner said:
Guaranteed you were praising Apple when they put in those useless 120hz displays in their new MacBooks.
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You are wrong and quite wrong.
I have few messages and you can check them all.
I look to the substance and not to marketing, just as I have criticized the new imacs and the new apple displays in the past for lack of removable stand and therefore of ergonomics.
read my all messages calmly.

Returning to these displays, for me Samsung lost from the start, it has no hope against the display studio. IMHO.
 
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Mark.g4 said:
no real use, just very nice to look at:
everything moves very smooth and fluid like oil.

What would be the real benefits, to using a 120Hz, except for gaming?...gaming is the only area where there is a real benefit. But this monitor is not for gaming.
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You haven’t answered the question. Why would it be a feature Apple touts as “ProMotion” (get it?) on an iPhone and high-end Mac, but not on an external display? Is it a good feature or not?

Mark.g4 said:
The movies are almost all recorded at 24fps, some at 60fps.
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Who’s talking about movies?

120 Hz makes everything smoother. Scrolling, for example.
 
philosopherdog said:
the studio display will be hard to top. Despite the negativity toward it I have to say it’s a game changer. The height adjustable stand only handles a slight height adjustment anyhow. So it’s a nonissue. Nobody complained about not being able to height adjust an iMac.
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Spot-on. The people trashing the Studio Display are likely not photographers who live in Lightroom, and as a result are not too fussy about image quality. Certainly a case of ignorance being bliss.

My Studio Display is superb and well worth the money.
 
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If the Apple Studio Display had built in Airplay/screen casting from devices wirelessly connected to the display, I would have it now. The S9 does this, so its the next best thing in my opinion.
 
Mark.g4 said:
Change my mind, because I think this monitor will be a failure:

1) design inspired from studio display and isight camera.
2) external camera
3) asymmetric design bezel: was it so difficult to make a higher upper edge and insert the camera in?
4) worst speakers
5) plastic housing???
6) little difference in price compared to the studio display, to entice customers.

I prefer original apple products.
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For the sake of discussion, here's a little objective "think different" taking the other perspective...

1) Yes. Samesung pretty, so it better blends into Apple fan aesthetics. Anything short of that would get pounded for "inferior looks."

2) 4K camera (vs. 1080), and detachable for those concerned with spying issues (no tape required)

3) Yes, for benefits in #2... and not having to resort to a notch (or "no notch: more screen RE to the left & right")

4) Granted... but better speakers than both are sold separately. Do many of us NOT have a good set of speakers for whatever monitor we used until ASD showed up? I've got some I use now and 2 generations retired but still functional. Personally, I would rather both come with NO speakers and a lower price. The savings would likely be plenty to buy much higher quality speakers than tiny little ones squeezed into a thin monitor case.

5) Is it? I believe #1 takes aluminum case inspirations too.

6) Unlike Apple MSRP, Samsung has a long, long history of very fluid pricing. Third parties will likely soon offer sizable discounts vs. MSRP as is the case with pretty much everything else branded Samsung. For example, check MSRP for a Samsung TV and then shop that TV on Google Shopping. Discounts can be big.

Bonuses:
  • 3-year warranty vs. 1 year + 2 more years if one pays extra for AppleCare,
  • Adjustable features vs. paying extra for them,
  • Vesa mount vs. paying extra for it,
  • Matte vs. paying extra for "nano texture",
  • Easily rotates to portrait view which is very nice for certain applications vs. paying extra for a Vesa mount so ASD is able to rotate too,
  • Flexible & good mix of 2023 popular ports vs. only one type,
  • Easily works with OTHER computers vs. iffy working with them. "Old fashioned bootcamp" will work without having to get back there and change cables for anyone who needs "full Windows" too.
  • Some variation of AppleTV-like functionality built in, so it can easily double as a "smart TV" too. In other words, while ASD could make iOS apps available to give ASD other functionality, this actually delivers some of that right out of the box. There's also an included remote which controls the "TV" functionality too.
  • Not potentially made obsolete/vintaged when the iOS within it is vintaged in other things that lean on it. A good monitor will outlast all devices leaning on those same iDevice "guts" by probably 3-7 YEARS. Will the software be kept up to date for this ONE product when the rest of the line is vintaged? Or is ASD iMac again where software/hardware "walled garden" can basically make it a "throw baby out with the bathwater" scenario even if the screen is still just fine? Obviously, this one is TBD as soon as about 6 or so years from now.
None of that is meant to put ASD down, just objectively appreciating benefits of competition. Competition is very good for us Apple people. If anything, it can pressure Apple to do better. Maybe some of those no extra charge and/or superior benefits will inspire Apple to improve ASD Gen 2 and/or Gen 2 pricing? Or maybe Apple works several of them into a soft-rumored 3X" ASD variant? Or Samsung does.
 
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chucker23n1 said:
You haven’t answered the question. Why would it be a feature Apple touts as “ProMotion” (get it?) on an iPhone and high-end Mac, but not on an external display? Is it a good feature or not?



Who’s talking about movies?

120 Hz makes everything smoother. Scrolling, for example.
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I've already answered in part and I'll repeat what I think.

Apple clearly talks about the aesthetic factor and says that everything is much more beautiful and fluid, which I have repeated several times, but does not add features, like a wide color gamut or high brightness for HDR10+ does.
What you do with 60hz you also do with 120hz, everything is just more beautiful to see, with a waste of energy and resources and I have also repeated this several times.

Then they talks about sync with the possibility of choosing the exact video framerate, but this is a capability that has been present for years on editing displays with the possibility of choosing the framerate, therefore a good marketing game like when he advertised the iphone 5 saying that 4" was the best form-factor because the thumb reaches from here to here. Do you remember the commercial of iphone 5 and 4 inch? nice marketing game.
 
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