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Samsung's ViewFinity S9 5K Display Launching August 28, Pre-Orders Available Now

HobeSoundDarryl said:
For the sake of discussion, here's a little objective "think different" taking the other perspective...

1) Yes. Samesung pretty, so it better blends into Apple fan aesthetics. Anything short of that would get pounded for "inferior looks."

2) 4K camera (vs. 1080), and detachable for those concerned with spying issues (no tape required)

3) Yes, for benefits in #2... and not having to resort to a notch (or "no notch: more screen RE to the left & right")

4) Granted... but better speakers than both are sold separately. Do many of us NOT have a good set of speakers for whatever monitor we used until ASD showed up? I've got some I use now and 2 generations retired but still functional.

5) Is it? I believe #1 takes aluminum case inspirations too.

6) Unlike Apple MSRP, Samsung has a long, long history of very fluid pricing. Third parties will likely soon offer sizable discounts vs. MSRP as is the case with pretty much everything else branded Samsung.

Bonuses)
  • 3-year warranty vs. 1 year + 2 more years if one pays extra for AppleCare,
  • Adjustable features vs. paying extra for them,
  • Vesa mount vs. paying extra for it,
  • Matte vs. paying extra for "nano texture",
  • Easily rotates to portrait view which is very nice for certain applications,
  • Flexible & good mix of 2023 popular ports vs. only one type,
  • Easily works with OTHER computers vs. iffy working with them. "Old fashioned bootcamp" will work without having to get back there and change cables for anyone who need "full Windows" too.
  • Not potentially made obsolete/vintaged when the iOS within it is vintaged in other things that lean on it. A good monitor will outlast all devices leaning on those same iDevice "guts." Will the software be kept up to date for this ONE product when the rest of the line is vintaged? Or is ASD iMac again where software/hardware "walled garden" can basically make it a "throw baby out with the bathwater" scenario even if the screen is still just fine? Obviously, this one is TBD as soon as about 6 or so years from now.
None of that is meant to put ASD down, just objectively appreciating benefits of competition. Competition is very good for us Apple people. If anything, it can pressure Apple to do better. Maybe some of those no extra charge and/or superior benefits will inspire Apple to improve ASD Gen 2 and/or Gen 2 pricing?
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Thank you for your think different. I appreciate you.

2) apple studio display have a 12 MPX camera...of course spy issues, but there is a led that is connect and power by current on iSight so, you can't turn off the LED while the webcam is on, so if a spy light turns on your isight, the notification LED also turns on. so it's a fake spy problem, however a privacy diaphragm would have been nice as it was present on the aluminum isight camera many years ago.

3) apple studio haven't a notch, but a beautiful symmetric bezel.

4) studio display have 3 mics and 6 speaker and beautiful sound for Allinone display, spatial audio and directional beamforming.

6) yes samsung is cheaper.

Bonuses and conclusion I agree with you.
 
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Mark.g4 said:
Thank you for your think different. I appreciate you.

2) apple studio display have a 12 MPX camera...of course spy issues, but there is a led that is connect and power by current on iSight so, you can't turn off the LED while the webcam is on, so if a spy light turns on your isight, the notification LED also turns on. so it's a fake spy problem, however a privacy diaphragm would have been nice as it was present on the aluminum isight camera many years ago.

3) apple studio haven't a notch, but a beautiful symmetric bezel.

4) studio display have 3 mics and 6 speaker and beautiful sound for Allinone display, spatial audio and directional beamforming.

6) yes samsung is cheaper.

Bonuses and conclusion I agree with you.
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I owned one of those iSight cameras and still miss a modern version of the same. I think Apple really got that product very right way back then. I wish there was a 2023 version for desktops instead of these tiny "pinhole" type camera options. I guess "continuity camera" is about as close as possible from Apple these days.
 
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HobeSoundDarryl said:
I owned one of those iSight cameras and still miss a modern version of the same. I think Apple really got that product very right way back then. I wish there was a 2023 version for desktops instead of these tiny "pinhole" type camera options. I guess "continuity camera" is about as close as possible from Apple these days.
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I jealously keep mine, because they are beautiful and well made. they were light years ahead of the competition.
Continuity camera works well, but they should provide support for every type of display as they did with the isight years ago.
Using the iphone on some monitors is a problem, you don't know how to fix it correctly.
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sorry, am I missing something? "2560 x 1440". is not even close to 5K, it commonly called 2K. The apple Studio Display is 5120 x 2880. Really surprised the author made this statement. also previous versions were pretty dim, not even close to same quality as the apple, and yet some people still made comparisons while leaving out relevant facts.

Yes, there are a few nice features that Apple should also have included, but 2K, not 5K and a dim display? No thanks. although I am still checking if the actual display quality has been upgraded. curious, an important fact like that was not included in article.
 
Mark.g4 said:
I jealously keep mine, because they are beautiful and well made. they were light years ahead of the competition.
Continuity camera works well, but they should provide support for every type of display as they did with the isight years ago.
Using the iphone on some monitors is a problem, you don't know how to fix it correctly.
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Nice! Nice! Nice! I'm first in line if Apple would make a 2023 version of the same, ideally not overly "walled garden" so it can work with things beyond only Apple offerings.
 
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MauiPa said:
sorry, am I missing something? "2560 x 1440". is not even close to 5K, it commonly called 2K. The apple Studio Display is 5120 x 2880. Really surprised the author made this statement. also previous versions were pretty dim, not even close to same quality as the apple, and yet some people still made comparisons while leaving out relevant facts.

Yes, there are a few nice features that Apple should also have included, but 2K, not 5K and a dim display? No thanks. although I am still checking if the actual display quality has been upgraded. curious, an important fact like that was not included in article.
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See headline title. It IS 5K. Author is making a point that might be confusing but this one does have the same resolution as ASD. If you owned it and went into Display preferences, you would see it set to an option other than "More Space" which would show the full 5K detail, most noticeably by making UI elements TINY. You can do the same on ASD.

Very simply, 5K worth of pixels are displaying as 2560 X 1440. If you double both numbers, you get the actual resolution of the screen. Hello retina!
 
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sorry, am I missing something? "2560 x 1440". is not even close to 5K, it commonly called 2K. The apple Studio Display is 5120 x 2880. Really surprised the author made this statement. also previous versions were pretty dim, not even close to same quality as the apple, and yet some people still made comparisons while leaving out relevant facts.

Yes, there are a few nice features that Apple should also have included, but 2K, not 5K and a dim display? No thanks. although I am still checking if the actual display quality has been upgraded. curious, an important fact like that was not included in article.
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This Samsung display is 5K (5120 x 2880). the article mentioned "2560 x 1440 desktop at full Retina quality" which technically is correct but gives the impression of lower resolution unless you read it carefully. This is 2560 x 1440 sizing but using the full 5120 x 2880 resolution for detail. Same as the Apple Studio Display where the default resolution is "looks like" 2560 x 1440 (but is really 5120x2880) retina.
 
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Tagbert said:
The problem is volume. 4K monitors can be cheap because the panels are produced in really high volumes for monitors and tv screens. 5K panels have a higher density so their manufacturing requires more stringent processes and the production volume is lower so costs are significantly higher. You can't just through out a number like $200 without justification. These monitors are low volume, special case devices that are inherently more expensive.
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LG's 2880p (5K) panels, which Apple uses in Studio Display and iMac, have been mass produced for over 7 years.

Even early on, when they were selling the 27-inch 5K iMac, the standalone 5K display (LG UltraFine 5K) was nearly as much as the iMac!
 
kerplunknet said:
LG's 2880p (5K) panels, which Apple uses in Studio Display and iMac, have been mass produced for over 7 years.

Even early on, when they were selling the 27-inch 5K iMac, the standalone 5K display (LG UltraFine 5K) was nearly as much as the iMac!
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Yes, but even with LG and the Apple displays, 5K panels are very low volume and priced accordingly. Not enough volume to drive prices down(, yet?).
 
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kerplunknet said:
LG's 2880p (5K) panels, which Apple uses in Studio Display and iMac, have been mass produced for over 7 years.

Even early on, when they were selling the 27-inch 5K iMac, the standalone 5K display (LG UltraFine 5K) was nearly as much as the iMac!
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Yes, the ideal solution is not motivate huge manufacturing of oddball resolutions like 5K but re-work the Mac OS to that it effectively scales to the proper display presentation at ANY resolution... like Windows already does.

I've always thought it a bit odd that the Mac UI doesn't scale like that when- at its foundation- is endlessly flexible PDF-based graphics concepts. I haven't dug into WHY Apple chose this approach over flexible UI scaling (like Windows). I presume there is some very good reason for it beyond only 💰💰💰
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
Yes, the ideal solution is not motivate huge manufacturing of oddball resolutions like 5K but re-work the Mac OS to that it effectively scales to the proper display presentation at ANY resolution... like Windows already does.

I've always thought it a bit odd that the Mac UI doesn't scale like that when- at its foundation- is endlessly flexible PDF-based graphics concepts. I haven't dug into WHY Apple chose this approach over flexible UI scaling (like Windows). I presume there is some very good reason for it beyond only 💰💰💰
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I politely disagree. For TV and movie use cases, the resolution doesn't matter much because you are only looking at pictures/video. For computer uses, it's important.

To my eye, 1440p is the correct "size" for a 27-inch monitor. 5K allows you to have that "size" but at higher pixel density. Four 5K pixels = one 1440p pixel.

But to scale a 4K monitor to that 1440p size, the pixels do not perfectly get divided. That's where the issue is. I hope I have described this well enough to understand. Thanks!
 
Thank you. Yes I understand BUT, Windows scales just fine to my 5K screen, to a 4K screen, to a 6K or 1080p screen too. Each presents the UI just as good as it can look at that resolution. I'm confident Mac could do the same thing that Microsoft figured out long ago. And then Mac would look great on whatever resolution someone purchased for either experience: "oddball" resolutions like 5K or much cheaper "mainstream" resolutions like 4K now and 8K not too much further down the road.

With macOS somewhat anchored in PDF concepts, a PDF can print as sharp as it can look on any size paper from poster to postcard. I wonder why macOS developers did not replicate this on screens so that any resolution worked with Macs instead of these oddball, expensive resolutions. Does 5K mean the next jump must be oddball 10K over what will be mainstream 8K?

TBD. But why do I suspect that 8K won't be an ideal resolution for future macOS while something like 10K or 9.5K or 11.375K will be "optimal" for Mac. In a few years, 8K screens will be priced like 4K screens now... and the oddball XK screen needed for Mac will be those prices + the oddball premium because not many are made.

Meanwhile our Windows PC friends will enjoy the relative bargain of mainstream 8K screens... much higher resolution than Apple 5K and much cheaper than Apple 11.375K or whatever the next hop will be. Obviously, I haven't done the math to figure out what the next tier for Mac will have to be... but why am I so confident that 8K will NOT be it? (rhetorical).
 
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This could be a great option, especially with a retailers’ discount.
 
Mark.g4 said:
I jealously keep mine, because they are beautiful and well made. they were light years ahead of the competition.
Continuity camera works well, but they should provide support for every type of display as they did with the isight years ago.
Using the iphone on some monitors is a problem, you don't know how to fix it correctly.
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Like a Moon-size idiot, I threw mine away a long time ago.

have I mentioned how stupid I was do have done that?
 
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I'm glad Samsung is making these monitors. Hopefully it will push Apple to make better *value* displays. I remember around 2008 paying $1099 CDN (about $1500 adjusted for inflation) for a 20' Cinema Display and everyone thought it I was crazy. Now they start at $1999 CDN and I would ideally need the nano-textured glass ($2399) which was standard back then, and also standard on these Samsungs.

Sure, the Apple cinema displays have a fair bit technology but the actual value of what they can do (at least for me) makes it difficult to justify the price compared to the Samsungs.

I just happened to have a picture of it here (circa 2008):

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