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Samsung's VP for Design Offended by Apple's Allegations of Copying

baryon said:
Samsung'd!

But honestly, I think every smartphone after the iPhone copied the iPhone. How come there were NO smartphones before the iPhone? And now that's all there is wherever you look.

It's not just Samsung, it's everyone.

There's nothing you can do about it, it's like Ford suing every car manufacturer because they copied the original idea. Well, yeah, they did, but that's how things go, and it eventually drives innovation.
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??????

Apple didnt invent the smartphone. There were plenty of smartphones before the iPhone. And there were many that had rounded edged and a grid of icons on a homescreen without anyone suing everyone else.

Why do people think apple invents everything????? And why are people downranking this comment? Are they uncomfortable with the fact that apple FACTUALLY WASNT the first smartphone?
 
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Wow, a designer would never say anything in this matter. Sure you mock up 10,000 options, but in the end you chosen the one closes to Apple's design.

Jonathan Ive is a designer because he's not afraid to say that he's inspired by Dieter Rams' designs for BRAUN, and that his designs follow same simplicity and elegance. He doesn't go and cry about "no, i did it first, it was my idea."
 
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So, it's black, glossy, home button bottom centre. Four iOS style icons at the bottom of the home screen - could it be any more of a copy? His comments are laughable. Why not make it grey, different form factor with some sexy tapering, experiment with different materials, make the home button the top of the screen, give it a matt finish - anything to 'think different'.
 
TheStoof said:
I honestly don't see how much different the phones can get it.
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Take a look at phones before the 2007 introduction of the iPhone -- the picture above of the RAZR and Samsung's copy is a good clue. Take a look at phones after 2007.

Now tell me, with a straight face, if the iPhone wasn't introduced in 2007 that the vast majority of phones would look exactly as they do today.
 
Konrad9 said:
Because Apple has never taken design cues from other companies.


Ever.

In their entire history.

Not once.
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There's a difference between "design cue" and a near perfect carbon copy, you know.

Ive is inspired by Braun/Brahms of the 50's and 60's, no secret at all. But there is and always has been a design philosphy deep in the soul of Apple, proven by their continued ability to release both hardware and software avant garde in the industry.

I don't think anyone really fail to see the difference between Apple's and Samsung's approach to designing a product, it's just childish denial and unwillingness to applaud the originals.
 
TheMacBookPro said:
It seems that I am one of the few members here who actually has eyes that are capable of vision.

Not once have I ever mistaken a Samsung product for an iPhone, even at a fleeting glance. The size, the side and the rear are completely different (as in, there are absolutely no similarities there). As for the front? There's a piece of glass and a black/white bezel and that's where the similarities end. The difference in screen size alone should tell you everything.

And as for the Galaxy Tab series- if you cannot tell the difference between a square object with a gray back and a rectangular object with a black/white back(and SAMSUNG plastered across the front no less) I would suggest an optometrist.

I love my iPhone and my new iPad as much as the next guy but honestly the level of fanboyism here is disgusting.
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It is MacRumors or haven't you noticed? :D

To the average punter they would look alike. You're talking about detailed device inspections, it's "at first glance" is where the problem is.
 
Rogifan said:
The only thing with the Lumia that might be considered a copy of Apple is one of the colors they chose. It reminded me of an anodized iPod Nano. Not because the Nano and Lumia look anything a like otherwise. But this shade of blue is damn near the same color as one of the Nano's. And it was a color Nokia was featuring heavily. Apple didn't invent colored anodized aluminum but geez maybe come up with a different color that doesn't make people think iPod Nano? :rolleyes:

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LOL, wow.

Those are two different colors. I find it amusing you'd go as far as to say Nokia copied apple over a COLOUR! A colour that isnt even the same.
 
Belly-laughs said:
There's a difference between "design cue" and a near prefect carbon copy, you know.

Ive is inspired by Braun/Rams of the 50's and 60's, no secret at all. But there is and always has been a design philosphy deep in the soul of Apple, proven by their continued ability to release both hardware and software avant garde in the industry.

I don't think anyone really fail to see the difference between Apple's and Samsung's approach to designing a product, it's just childish denial and unwillingness to applaud the originals.
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And if Ive was inspired by Braun/Brahms they did not and do not produce technological products such as mobile devices, notebooks, tablets etc there is no direct or indirect copying.

I've probably studied Rams work and likes his design philosophy.
 
MacRumors said:
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Reuters profiles Samsung Electronics and their design process in the setting of Apple's ongoing legal battle accusing Samsung of "slavishly copying" Apple's products.

Samsung Mobile's vice president for design Lee Minhyouk takes Apple's charges personally and denies the allegations:Lee admits that he may not be at the level of Apple's VP for design Jonathan Ive, but believes Samsung "will produce such iconic products one day."

Samsung has proven to be the largest Android smartphone manufacturer and one of Apple's biggest competitors. Samsung is also one of Apple's biggest suppliers and the manufacturer of Apple's 3rd Generation iPad's Retina Display. Apple and Samsung are in an ongoing legal battle over design and patent claims.

Article Link: Samsung's VP for Design Offended by Apple's Allegations of Copying
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Poor guy, so offended…

First, it's a blatant lie that any VP will touch a pen, they have dozens if not hundreds of designers and even interns who do all the grunt work. VPs at Samsung will, if anything, point out to them which product to copy.

This doesn't make Samsung look any better.

Second, the Samsung product is just a poor copy of the iPHone. The looks are quite the same, interaction is ridiculous.

– a design professor –
 
Thunderhawks said:
They didn't let him finish his remarks:

"In the Asian culture, we honor the masters by copying them.
The closer the copy, the more honor for the master"
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Your signature is interesting;

"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." — Benjamin Franklin

Where do you stand on making ignorant generalizations about an entire culture of over a billion people?
 
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But it still looks like an iPhone. I am an industrial designer and I would go so far as to say he's a bad designer. Clearly he submits either to influences or Samsung's internal politics. Even if I preferred android or Samsung over apples iPhone I would still feel like it was an imitation. All I hear when I read this article is that he spent a lot of time and resources to design a imitation from the ground up. I have one of their series 7 tvs the industrial design is great for that. A tablet of that design would be original and wonderful. Unfortunately I have come to realize the sluggish clunkyness of the software reveals a truth. But that's not the industrial designers fault ordinarily.
 
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PackFan said:
Boo hoo...

The entire basis of Android is that it is a copy of Apple...
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Oh, yeah. Sure. And as we all know, iOS's UI is based upon LG's Prada.

In the real world, nobody gives a flying **** about who stole what idea from whom. Apple is as much a copycat as anybody else in the industry. They are all stealing ideas from each other and add those ideas to their own products. That's called innovation.

On further news, the Apple team tragically lost its mastermind last year. Once his heritage is used up, we will no longer see awesome, magical, revolutionary "one more things" from them. They will just turn into another Microsoft or IBM with too much money to die quickly and gracefully.

Whoever will bring the new big thing, it's already a safe bet that it won't be Apple.

People who are not blinded fans might find point five of this related read quite interesting:
http://paulgraham.com/ambitious.html
 
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PackFan said:
Boo hoo...

The entire basis of Android is that it is a copy of Apple...
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Yep cheap imitation. Can't deny that. It's cheaper and it's an imitation. which is fine if that's what people want. But it sickens me when I see idiot people claim or imply that android is original. I would have been if it weren't for Apple bringing out the iPhone first.
 
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TheMacBookPro said:
It seems that I am one of the few members here who actually has eyes that are capable of vision.

Not once have I ever mistaken a Samsung product for an iPhone, even at a fleeting glance. The size, the side and the rear are completely different (as in, there are absolutely no similarities there). As for the front? There's a piece of glass and a black/white bezel and that's where the similarities end. The difference in screen size alone should tell you everything.

And as for the Galaxy Tab series- if you cannot tell the difference between a square object with a gray back and a rectangular object with a black/white back(and SAMSUNG plastered across the front no less) I would suggest an optometrist.

I love my iDevices as much as the next guy but honestly the level of fanboyism here is hilarious.
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The issue isn't that they're copies, the issue is that they are intended to be as close as possible - from the marketing materials to the packaging and accessories. This started before Samsung started using Android with the Omnia.

I'm no fanboy, I don't even own an iPhone, just have lost all respect for Samsung after all of this. And yes, it is part of the Korean manufacturing culture to copy - this goes way back to the Japanese trade embargo with South Korea.

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Master Atrus said:
There are a lot of posts already on this ... but my summary is ...

"What was the guy supposed to say?"

Quote: "Why yes, I blatantly ripped off Apple and Johnny Ive because I'm too lazy to do my own designing. Between golf and golf and whatever else us VPs are supposed to do, when would I have had time to design?"

I mean really! Of course he is going to deny it and be "offended."
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He's supposed to say nothing at all, and hide his face in shame. Yes, I'm serious.
 
ekdor said:
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But it still looks like an iPhone. I am an industrial designer and I would go so far as to say he's a bad designer. Clearly he submits either to influences or Samsung's internal politics. Even if I preferred android or Samsung over apples iPhone I would still feel like it was an imitation. All I hear when I read this article is that he spent a lot of time and resources to design a imitation from the ground up. I have one of their series 7 tvs the industrial design is great for that. A tablet of that design would be original and wonderful. Unfortunately I have come to realize the sluggish climbs tends of the software. But that's not the industrial designers fault ordinarily.
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I'm a graphic designer and you nailed it.
 
wikus said:
??????

Apple didnt invent the smartphone. There were plenty of smartphones before the iPhone. And there were many that had rounded edged and a grid of icons on a homescreen without anyone suing everyone else.

Why do people think apple invents everything????? And why are people downranking this comment? Are they uncomfortable with the fact that apple FACTUALLY WASNT the first smartphone?
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Because you're either blind, deluded, or just plain dumb to think that there have ever been this many similarities - especially with Samsung even putting iPhone icons on their backdrops at tradeshows. There were freaking Safari logos on there, for instance.

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Mattie Num Nums said:
Dieter Rams doesn't seem to mind that Ive "borrowed" all his designs.
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Dieter Rams didn't make smartphones and tablets...
 
MacRumors said:
Samsung "will produce such iconic products one day."
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thisisahughes said:
ZzzZz
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It could happen. Think Hyundai and Kia. After about 20 yrs in the car business, they are finally starting to produce some really good designs... of course, they had to hire Peter Schreyer, the award winning Audi designer, to get there. So, I guess Samsung could also hire someone of Jonathan Ive's caliber one day.
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Dieter Rams doesn't seem to mind that Ive "borrowed" all his designs.
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Maybe because Dieter Rams doesn't design mobile phones. That's the difference between inspiration and copying.

Looking at a clock radio and being inspired by the simple and clean design of it to create a phone is entirely different from looking at a phone and then making your own copy of that phone with a few tweaks.
 
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