Schiller to Demo Snow Leopard at Macworld?

[VoR]

I just can't wait to "tap into the power" of the 8600M GT in my early '08 MBP

Give it a 'little while' for the api to actually be released, 3 massive, competing companies to play ball with each other and for developers to start using it to any real advantage

 

[Object-X]

Microsoft doesn't add functionality. They announce all the functionality up front, and then take it back out until the product they finally release is the previous version of Windows with a tweaked interface.

Now come one, that's not fair. You know they added a calendar to Vista and are going to add more functionality to Paint and the calculator in 7!

 

[Amdahl]

So, are Tiger users 3 months away from being screwed?

When Snow Leopard ships, Tiger will lose security update support, according to Apple's own policy.

That means an iMac bought in August 2007 will be unprotected on the Internet in March 2009. That is 17 months after purchase.

Does anyone think Apple should be forced to take responsibility for their products? Does anyone think Apple should be compelled to stand behind their products?

DEMAND 5 years of security updates from last date of retail sale for their OS. That means Tiger security updates until August 2012.

Windows 2000 will have them until April 2009.
Windows XP will have them until April 2014.

Tiger is 6 years younger than Windows 2000 (which shipped in 99), and 4 years younger than Windows XP, which shipped October 2001.

Why does Apple get away with this? Because YOU let them!

 

[QueenZ]

Great News! But when is the next macworld..?

 

[Data]

Extra Grapihc's Cards and 10.6 ?

I just thougt that it is possible to put more then 1 Grapics card in my Mac Pro, would 10.6 be able to use let's say all 4 of them ?
Anybody know?

 

[Tallest Skil]

Great News! But when is the next macworld..?

I hope you're joking. You either mean the next one or a future one. Either way, you'd better be joking.

I just thougt that it is apossible to put more then Grapics card in my Mac Pro, would 10.6 be able to use let's say all 4 of them ?
Anubody know?

No, we don't.

 

[~Shard~]

Great News! But when is the next macworld..?

After the one in 3 weeks? Who knows....

 

[OrangeCrush]

Pricing?

Besides the obvious side-by-side comparison, I'm hoping to see Safari 4--it should be really snappy on Snow Leopard.

What about pricing on Snow Leopard? It still sounds like a minor upgrade--I hope it's priced as such for users of 10.5.

 

[themoonisdown09]

What about pricing on Snow Leopard? It still sounds like a minor upgrade--I hope it's priced as such for users of 10.5.

Yeah, I doubt that. I guess we can always dream.

 

[~Shard~]

What about pricing on Snow Leopard? It still sounds like a minor upgrade--I hope it's priced as such for users of 10.5.

Apple has never done tiered pricing before, so I doubt they would start in this case. Having a lower "upgrade" price for 10.5 users but having 10.4, 10.3 etc users pay more would not go over well - for some users, it's a smaller upgrade, for others, a major one - Apple cannot win on its pricing strategy with Snow Leopard so it will probably stay status quo.

 

[Tallest Skil]

Apple has never done tiered pricing before, so I doubt they would start in this case. Having a lower "upgrade" price for 10.5 users but having 10.4, 10.3 etc users pay more would not go over well - for some users, it's a smaller upgrade, for others, a major one - Apple cannot win on its pricing strategy with Snow Leopard so it will probably stay status quo.

I agree, but no one on 10.3 will be going to Snow Leopard... 10.3 was never Intel.

 

[themoonisdown09]

I agree, but no one on 10.3 will be going to Snow Leopard... 10.3 was never Intel.

That wasn't his point. Even if 10.3 was Intel, it would still be the same.

 

[~Shard~]

I agree, but no one on 10.3 will be going to Snow Leopard... 10.3 was never Intel.

Ah yes, fair enough, thanks - but you see my point regardless.

 

[Tallest Skil]

Ah yes, fair enough, thanks - but you see my point regardless.

I know, I know. Just beside the fact that people will be unjustly mad that it'll be a full price upgrade, it'll also not work on PowerPC computers, so we'll have that tirade to deal with.

 

[~Shard~]

I know, I know. Just beside the fact that people will be unjustly mad that it'll be a full price upgrade, it'll also not work on PowerPC computers, so we'll have that tirade to deal with.

Oh man, that along with no Classic support either - you gotta be kidding me!

 

[Sehnsucht]

Oh man, that along with no Classic support either - you gotta be kidding me!

Yeah, and I was SO looking forward to running Snow Leopard on my Apple II. You're saying it WON'T?

 

[Tallest Skil]

Yeah, and I was SO looking forward to running Snow Leopard on my Apple II. You're saying it WON'T?

It'll run on the Apple IIe, but you're out of luck for the original.

 

[Povilas]

You miss my point. I agree that it takes apple time and costs them money. I'm just saying that people generally aren't excited about spending money by "you won't see anything new, just trust us that we worked really hard and there are lots of things that are better that you can't see".

I don't doubt that it will be better, nor am I saying it's not a good thing that apple is doing this. I just ask what will motivate the average Joe Websurfer to spend $129 on it?

I think it depends on what is Mac/OS for you and what you do with it, what is your IT knowledge. If one thinks that it's not worth money only because there is nothing you can see, so he really understands nothing about the OS, so he could stay with Leopard or pirate Snow Leopard.

I still can't figure why this is not huge for some. This OS update is a HUGE time saver.

 

[Biolizard]

It's quite true that Apple will probably try and milk us for $129 (and whatever the hell it'll translate to in Sterling these days), but I can't believe they'll sell 10.6 on Grand Central, OpenCL and Exchange alone (along with the 64-bit kernel).

Some users will benefit from these features, especially Exchange, but at present I don't see why I should purchase it. I won't benefit from OpenCL with my early 08 Macbook, and the other features are nice but not stuff that will make me rush out and get it.

Had I been a Mac user when Leopard came out, Time Machine would've been the killer feature that made me buy it (indeed, it was one of the main reasons that I Switched). I'm quite happy with it now that 10.5.6 is out; why should I upgrade when it does what I want just fine? Snow Leopard needs something if not 'killer', then near enough to incentivise me. For some that'll be Exchange, but not me.

Not saying that's the right way of thinking about it, since under the hood stuff is good and kudos to Apple for doing it; but that's just the way it is.

 

[lamadude]

I just can't wait to "tap into the power" of the 8600M GT in my early '08 MBP

exactly... I have an early '08 MBP as well, won't snow leopard destroy my geforce 8600M GT even faster?

 

[dr_lha]

When Snow Leopard ships, Tiger will lose security update support, according to Apple's own policy.

A policy that was in place when said person bought their computer. The fix is to upgrade that iMac to Leopard or Snow Leopard. Pretty simple.

If you were arguing that Apple should continue to provide security fixes for PPC machines if support for them is dropped in 10.6, it might have made some sense.

 

[aaronsullivan]

Just wanted to say that after reading about Safari being snappier on this thread, I am SURE that my Safari browsing JUST got SNAPPIER!

Not only that, but Chilly Kitty has a bit of new stuff that even a layperson can get excited about and Apple always tries to lay something big that doesn't get talked about much.

multi-touch
smarter auto correcting wherever you type text
Auto font activation
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...features_of_apples_mac_os_x_snow_leopard.html

And what happened to iLife? What are they going to do with that (and iWork) to wow us in the near future.

And I always (foolishly) hold out a _little_ hope for a certain gap to be filled. Maybe iMac is being delayed to further differentiate it from a more expandable little headless Mac called just Mac, or Mac mini CHUNK, or ... yeah, I know. lol.

 

[Tallest Skil]

And I always (foolishly) hold out a _little_ hope for a certain gap to be filled.

IF: Steve Jobs=Alive//://THEN: No xMac. Ever.

 

[Stridder44]

I would disagree with this. Many folks who are running Tiger are waiting for Snow Leopard to upgrade.

Bawhaha, and some Mac fanboys claim Leopard isn't similar to Vista. "I don't want to upgrade to Vista. Windows 7 will be so totally awesome; XP until then!" By the way, that wasn't targeted at you sushi. Just sayin.

It's quite true that Apple will probably try and milk us for $129 (and whatever the hell it'll translate to in Sterling these days), but I can't believe they'll sell 10.6 on Grand Central, OpenCL and Exchange alone (along with the 64-bit kernel).

Some users will benefit from these features, especially Exchange, but at present I don't see why I should purchase it. I won't benefit from OpenCL with my early 08 Macbook, and the other features are nice but not stuff that will make me rush out and get it.

Had I been a Mac user when Leopard came out, Time Machine would've been the killer feature that made me buy it (indeed, it was one of the main reasons that I Switched). I'm quite happy with it now that 10.5.6 is out; why should I upgrade when it does what I want just fine? Snow Leopard needs something if not 'killer', then near enough to incentivise me. For some that'll be Exchange, but not me.

Not saying that's the right way of thinking about it, since under the hood stuff is good and kudos to Apple for doing it; but that's just the way it is.

Then don't buy it. Simple as that. You don't feel the upgrade is worth you money. Most of us, however, do. I'll gladly hand over the money for Snow Leopard. Development doesn't come free, and anyone who thinks Snow Leopard is just a "maintenance" upgrade is crazy.

 

[zombitronic]

1- Mac Pro update
2- iMac update
3- Mac mini update
4- Apple tv update
5- New display monitors
6- Blu-Ray inclusion / options
7- Snow Leopard preview and announcement of shipping date
8- ipod updates?

9- "One more thing... We've put Steve's brain into a robot body! Introducing, Stevebot iJobs!"