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Because they don't really have 4g.

yea I know thats why I said all android phones are marketed as 4g but they really are not

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One thing is for sure. The iPhone 4S fails massively in the drop test category:

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I am very careful my iPhone 4 has never fell from my hand and I am not saying compare the 4s to other android phones
 
yea I know thats why I said all android phones are marketed as 4g but they really are not

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I am very careful my iPhone 4 has never fell from my hand and I am not saying compare the 4s to other android phones

Verizon has it.
 
Verizon has LTE, not LTE advanced, which is what was considered 4G before the carriers co-opted the term.
 
This is all opinion based - and asking on a Apple forum if you should go to the competition is asinine. Same as if you asked on an Android forum for switching to iPhone.

Bottom line, its a personal choice. I am a doctor, but second passion is being a "techie." Android is great if you MUST tinker around with your phone with ROMS and stuff, but the app store compared to apples is just total CRAP in my opinion. The quality of the applications FAR PALES in comparison.

Oh, god, I hope you are not a "doctor" using terms like "crap" "and stuff" and "far pales" to express your point of view.

I wish I knew more about Android-based phones to offer a comparison, but I don't. From what I have been told, Samsung makes solid Android phones. And, although no one has an app store like Apple's, you can download android apps from many different app stores and websites.
 
Droid RAZR just announced.

Preorders start October 27, available in stores/online in November

Price: $299
 
One thing I know for sure Android is better than iOS. They have better names on their phones. :D People can make a hissy-fit if the next iPhone was going to called a 4S or 5 but Android has all the cooler names like Incredible, Nexus One, Bionic, Evo, and Atrix. And give credit to some of these Android OEM's. They are the ones trying to make multiple designs in a shorter timeframe and still have razon-thin profits to show for it because they still have to compete against each other. Apple can get away with selling the same looking phone with a better camera, adding an "s" next to it, and millions will still buy it in droves even if their best feature is still in BETA. Double standards.

I say this because with Apple is the only one that can get away with the same design for two years and the same screen size and GUI for at least 5 years heading into next year. Apple can get away with taglines like "the most amazing iPhone yet." Apple is more uniformed. Like going to Catholic school. Dressed a certain way. Android is fragmented, but you can express more individuality. "Free dress day." I go to our local library alot and I see alot of high school and college kids now starting to have Android phones. iPhone owners are still very popular, but you can see Android is becoming far more common and I live in SoCal where iPhones rule. When people talk about their phones, to me, it seems more interesting talking about the different Android model you have than the iPhone you have. It is like talking about the different characters in X-Men, Star Wars, or LOST. Each has their own distinction.

We really can't answer for the OP because we don't really know what he likes. You just have to try it out to experience it for yourself and just comeback if you don't like it. I personally think Android has alot of potential. It reminds me when I used to JB my iPhone back in 2008 when Winterboard used to slow it down. It was still refreshing and love the customizations, but it had its flaws with the limited RAM and CPU speed. I know some people who loathe Android who moved back to iOS and I know some who were expatriates of iOS that have moved on into something else. Perhaps they hated feeding money to Apple with their walking cash register for iTunes. I talk to many different buyers and sellers of cell phones. They all tend to get bored fast. They would tell me that they got an Android with plenty of FREE and CRACKED apps (pirated), but used to have an iPhone or vice versa. The guy I got my Nexus One from was all excited he got a Galaxy S (aka Vibrant) and said he can't get enough with these little Androids.

iPhone didn't have an excellent camera prior to 2010, but people bought them anyway. Now the 4S has a great camera and people are singing its praises for the Sony-manufactured feature. Now it matters to them.

I say if you love something, you can overlook its flaws. Each platform has them. No right or wrong with the decision. Only preferences.

Why is iOS so much smoother than Android?
http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/147222-why-ios-so-much-smoother-than-android-2.html


Show off your Android homescreen
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1110150/
 
One thing i think to keep in mind is that not all android phones are created equal. You need to consider screen size for sure but remember most have different skins which give you a very different feel to each one, I love some and hate others. I like the iPhone look and build quality but the screen size, keyboard size and lack of keyboard customization and being able to see my calendar by month, day and week kills me.
 
remember this I bought an iPhone 4 for £600 used it for nearly 18 months and sold it for £420 try that with an android phone!
 
see my calendar by month, day and week kills me.

Have you tried turning the iphone on its side? It shows the weekly calendar in this view. Portrait mode has to be unlocked however. One of the less intuitive iOS tidbits.

(I say use whatever phone / OS works best for your needs)
 
Have you tried turning the iphone on its side? It shows the weekly calendar in this view. Portrait mode has to be unlocked however. One of the less intuitive iOS tidbits.

(I say use whatever phone / OS works best for your needs)

I tried turning the iPhone 4 and 4s to it's side to get that view didn't seem to do it.
 
I tried turning the iPhone 4 and 4s to it's side to get that view didn't seem to do it.

Do you have it locked in portrait mode? Won't work if so.

Scroll left-right / up-down. Here's a picture:
 

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Went from a I4 to a Samsung infuse and loved the 4.3" screen and being able to customize the phone. But then i started getting the force close problems and my phone would load slow and would not allow me to type and some apps try and access stuff they shouldnt so you have to check that, while i do love having more control over my phone i love that IOS works and it is way more secure in my opinion.
 
I like my iPhone 4 but I'm a techie (I build computers and other things)and I would like to try android out any tips for iOS to android users. now I'm not getting rid of my iPhone just wanna experiment any tips and any specific model I should try?
Here's my take on Android. I bought an EVO 4G when it was king of all Androids. For the first month or so I got over my iPhone envy. I'm on Sprint so didn't have the choice.

Anyway, I'm also a techie. I build my own Windows PC's and I fix my friends and families computers. So I guess you could say I like to tinker.
That said "tinkering" with an Android is really nothing more than changing how your home screen looks. Granted if you know Javascript you can actually tweak the OS but that's not what most people mean when talking about tinkering.

Now, flashing ROMs can be fun for a while until you realize that no matter which ROM you flash, you will always 100% of the time have something that doesn't work as intended. It could be any of the following: 4G, HDMI output, reboots, freezes, apps force closing, not being able to make a call, no texts etc etc etc. I promise you I'm not exaggerating. Just go over to XDA forums and start looking through the threads. You'll see hundreds and even thousands of pages in a thread, all filled with problems and the constant effort of trying to get everything working right.

I think the whole tinkering and "open" thing is way over rated. I know that Android fanboys will spit out the names of a couple ROMs and they'll swear that these ROMs are 100% stable and so on, but I'm here to tell you that's almost non existent. CM7 (Cyanogen 7) is most likely the most stable but even with that, check the forums.

It gets old real fast. Especially when you need your phone to perform as expected and it doesn't. I was at my daughters house and wanted to take pictures of my granddaughter take her first steps. The phone first froze, I had to pull the battery, by the time it was ready for a picture my granddaughter was done walking. At a concert my wife and I went to, spent the first 30 minutes at least trying to take some pictures. I finally gave up.
At a prospective clients office, tried to show him some examples of my work. The phone reboots, not once but twice. He was cool and all but told me to get an iPhone, very embarrassing.

Trust me things like this happen more often than Android fanboys will admit when using ROMs. I bought the iPhone knowing I would be losing 4G for about a year and I'm okay with that because I almost never used it even though it is available in my area. It really does suck the life out of the battery. I hear some of the newer phones are better but it's hard to believe since they are still using the same 4G chips which are power hungry.

Thats been my experience. I'm sure some have had better and I'm sure some have had worse. But ultimately you will only know for sure if you try it for yourself.

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Oh, god, I hope you are not a "doctor" using terms like "crap" "and stuff" and "far pales" to express your point of view.

I wish I knew more about Android-based phones to offer a comparison, but I don't. From what I have been told, Samsung makes solid Android phones. And, although no one has an app store like Apple's, you can download android apps from many different app stores and websites.
You're 100% right that you can download android apps from different sources. The truth is though that iOS apps by and large are better than their Android counterparts. A lot has to do with UI design and some with functionality. It is getting better but iOS apps still hold a big edge over Android.

You also take a chance downloading from 3rd party sites as there is no vetting process and it is possible to download a virus infected file. You can download antivirus software from the market but unfortunately since it runs in the background it really affects your battery. Catch 22.
 
One thing I know for sure Android is better than iOS. They have better names on their phones. :D People can make a hissy-fit if the next iPhone was going to called a 4S or 5 but Android has all the cooler names like Incredible, Nexus One, Bionic, Evo, and Atrix. And give credit to some of these Android OEM's. They are the ones trying to make multiple designs in a shorter timeframe and still have razon-thin profits to show for it because they still have to compete against each other. Apple can get away with selling the same looking phone with a better camera, adding an "s" next to it, and millions will still buy it in droves even if their best feature is still in BETA. Double standards.

I say this because with Apple is the only one that can get away with the same design for two years and the same screen size and GUI for at least 5 years heading into next year. Apple can get away with taglines like "the most amazing iPhone yet." Apple is more uniformed. Like going to Catholic school. Dressed a certain way. Android is fragmented, but you can express more individuality. "Free dress day." I go to our local library alot and I see alot of high school and college kids now starting to have Android phones. iPhone owners are still very popular, but you can see Android is becoming far more common and I live in SoCal where iPhones rule. When people talk about their phones, to me, it seems more interesting talking about the different Android model you have than the iPhone you have. It is like talking about the different characters in X-Men, Star Wars, or LOST. Each has their own distinction.

We really can't answer for the OP because we don't really know what he likes. You just have to try it out to experience it for yourself and just comeback if you don't like it. I personally think Android has alot of potential. It reminds me when I used to JB my iPhone back in 2008 when Winterboard used to slow it down. It was still refreshing and love the customizations, but it had its flaws with the limited RAM and CPU speed. I know some people who loathe Android who moved back to iOS and I know some who were expatriates of iOS that have moved on into something else. Perhaps they hated feeding money to Apple with their walking cash register for iTunes. I talk to many different buyers and sellers of cell phones. They all tend to get bored fast. They would tell me that they got an Android with plenty of FREE and CRACKED apps (pirated), but used to have an iPhone or vice versa. The guy I got my Nexus One from was all excited he got a Galaxy S (aka Vibrant) and said he can't get enough with these little Androids.

iPhone didn't have an excellent camera prior to 2010, but people bought them anyway. Now the 4S has a great camera and people are singing its praises for the Sony-manufactured feature. Now it matters to them.

I say if you love something, you can overlook its flaws. Each platform has them. No right or wrong with the decision. Only preferences.

Why is iOS so much smoother than Android?
http://androidforums.com/android-lounge/147222-why-ios-so-much-smoother-than-android-2.html


Show off your Android homescreen
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1110150/

I am ignoring this because you are just giving a rant why android is better then iOS even though there are more problems with android.please don't be a fanboy.

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Here's my take on Android. I bought an EVO 4G when it was king of all Androids. For the first month or so I got over my iPhone envy. I'm on Sprint so didn't have the choice.

Anyway, I'm also a techie. I build my own Windows PC's and I fix my friends and families computers. So I guess you could say I like to tinker.
That said "tinkering" with an Android is really nothing more than changing how your home screen looks. Granted if you know Javascript you can actually tweak the OS but that's not what most people mean when talking about tinkering.

Now, flashing ROMs can be fun for a while until you realize that no matter which ROM you flash, you will always 100% of the time have something that doesn't work as intended. It could be any of the following: 4G, HDMI output, reboots, freezes, apps force closing, not being able to make a call, no texts etc etc etc. I promise you I'm not exaggerating. Just go over to XDA forums and start looking through the threads. You'll see hundreds and even thousands of pages in a thread, all filled with problems and the constant effort of trying to get everything working right.

I think the whole tinkering and "open" thing is way over rated. I know that Android fanboys will spit out the names of a couple ROMs and they'll swear that these ROMs are 100% stable and so on, but I'm here to tell you that's almost non existent. CM7 (Cyanogen 7) is most likely the most stable but even with that, check the forums.

It gets old real fast. Especially when you need your phone to perform as expected and it doesn't. I was at my daughters house and wanted to take pictures of my granddaughter take her first steps. The phone first froze, I had to pull the battery, by the time it was ready for a picture my granddaughter was done walking. At a concert my wife and I went to, spent the first 30 minutes at least trying to take some pictures. I finally gave up.
At a prospective clients office, tried to show him some examples of my work. The phone reboots, not once but twice. He was cool and all but told me to get an iPhone, very embarrassing.

Trust me things like this happen more often than Android fanboys will admit when using ROMs. I bought the iPhone knowing I would be losing 4G for about a year and I'm okay with that because I almost never used it even though it is available in my area. It really does suck the life out of the battery. I hear some of the newer phones are better but it's hard to believe since they are still using the same 4G chips which are power hungry.

Thats been my experience. I'm sure some have had better and I'm sure some have had worse. But ultimately you will only know for sure if you try it for yourself.

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You're 100% right that you can download android apps from different sources. The truth is though that iOS apps by and large are better than their Android counterparts. A lot has to do with UI design and some with functionality. It is getting better but iOS apps still hold a big edge over Android.

You also take a chance downloading from 3rd party sites as there is no vetting process and it is possible to download a virus infected file. You can download antivirus software from the market but unfortunately since it runs in the background it really affects your battery. Catch 22.
looks like I should get the 4s considering how bad your experience was my work is relies on mobile phones looks like iOS is the one for me
 
looks like I should get the 4s considering how bad your experience was my work is relies on mobile phones looks like iOS is the one for me

Go through Apple and you should have a reasonable return period if you find it doesn't suit your needs.

Competition is good, helps get something for everyone. Anyone claiming "XYZ is Best" isn't understanding everyone's needs and preferences are different; this goes for both sides of the fence.
 
I am ignoring this because you are just giving a rant why android is better then iOS even though there are more problems with android.please don't be a fanboy.

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looks like I should get the 4s considering how bad your experience was my work is relies on mobile phones looks like iOS is the one for me

My assumption is that the majority of Android users who root their phones are young kids or at least a younger crowd that doesn't rely on their phones for anything more than fun stuff. Not to say that young people don't ever use them for work but if you need to rely on your phone as a tool, I think the smartest choice is an iPhone. Unless you don't root your Android and leave it stock. But that kind of takes the whole open thing and tinkering thing out of the equation, right?

Whatever you decide, enjoy and good luck with it ;)
 
How do I get Android? HELP

Altough macforum users obviously have a preference for Apple products, some occasionally may buy a product from another company. Its also my believe that users here are very intelligent and even tough may not own an android product, they understand about it.

Ok, so when I got my smartphone earlier this year, I obviously considered an iphone, but I also looked at the competition, and I chose this one, based on the phone design...I loved the orange bars on the side.

http://www.lojasaopaulo.com.br/products/Samsung-S5620-Star-3G.html

I regreat everyday not having iOS...its not even Android..its a customized f@%$$#%#$% OS from samsung. Altough I do not plan on getting an iphone or another smartphone, I would love to run iOS on it. Since its impossible to do so, I would like the next best thing...Android...

How do I install it???
 
Get the Optimus Primate and make sure it's running Pecan Pie with Whipped Cream.
 
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