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If Epic buy and pulls popular apps from the store, competitors will move in to fill the gap. The App Store is cutthroat, why are you acting like devs aren’t fighting like hell for marketshare?
Forget that if the scenario mentioned occurred and pressures Apple to lower its fees, which would be a good thing for developers and customers. Nah let’s microscope this towards the only negative, what a pessimistic view.
 
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I try to stay away from sources that owned / driven by antimalware companies.
Trying to find accurate sideload from Google is difficult at best. Especially current numbers that limit it to sideloading on cell phones excluding OEM stores and other non-cell devices..

That said:

Jailbreak (Source - Saurik)
What percentage of iPhones have been jailbroken (active users)? - 3.75 million or 0.4% of all iPhones sold worldwide.

Sideload (Source - )
I'll dig into this a bit more tomorrow ... the link I had is currently showing not available....
I will get back to you on this.
I guess you would have to look at old numbers when untethered jailbreaking was actually possible.
 
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So what? Your logic is similar to "let's ban all the traffic on the streets because there are drunk drivers".
Where the heck did you get that leap from? It is the other side that has similar logic to "crime still exists so lets get rid of the police". You know, how dozens of times it gets mentioned that bad apps come through the App Store.
 
So what? Your logic is similar to "let's ban all the traffic on the streets because there are drunk drivers".
People with these types of views only focus on the negativity and believe it’s a big problem when reality says otherwise.
 
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What is the competitor for Facebook? That is the problem with big tech. Thank GOODNESS there is finally a VERY GOOD competitor to Photoshop with Affinity Photo.. But not all applications have comparable competitors.
A Safari tab? I’d argue that’s probably the better way to use Facebook in the first place. But I’m sure if they pull their app, we’ll find out.

Not all apps have comparable competitors yet, but that can always change.
 
All the relevant background data can be found here, especially the PDFs !

I don't think Microsoft should be too noisy about this. I think them purchasing Activision Blizzard is way more anti-competitive than what Apple has done with iOS. It was even to the point where Sony had to "remind" Microsoft to keep their cross-platform deals.
 
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Where the heck did you get that leap from? It is the other side that has similar logic to "crime still exists so lets get rid of the police". You know, how dozens of times it gets mentioned that bad apps come through the App Store.
And yet you are still arguing that a close system such as the present AppStore is the only answer. Why are you focusing on only the negative. If you don’t want to sideload app, that is fine you can believe you are safe even after questionable apps get past the Apple App review process.
 
Yeah, you explained it after I asked the question, at the same time as you freaked out and put words in my mouth. I was just correcting your freak out.
This is what you said:

Also, what the hell were you installing that gave you malware? I’ve been using Macs since the 90s and never had malware issues ever.

Bold and underlined part. That is some pretty harsh language here.
 
Can you summarize that email?

I was simply saying that some bad apps do sneak through Apple's app review process. We know this.

But downloading apps from a sketchy website that has NO review is a recipe for disaster.

The next popular Candy Crush style game could be sideload-only and be full of identify-stealing code with nobody checking it.

Basically... yes the app store has faults... but the unchecked web is much worse.
The email effectively talk about the App Store review process as they are more for show like the TSA. They have no procedure to detect an app who pretends to be something else or exploits code the review process catches such thing by chance.

2015 they had a 200+ million fraud incident and there are more
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And yet you are still arguing that a close system such as the present AppStore is the only answer. Why are you focusing on only the negative. If you don’t want to sideload app, that is fine you can believe you are safe even after questionable apps get past the Apple App review process.
And you are only focusing on the sunshine and rainbows fairy tale that every....single....app in existence will remain on the App Store. We wont have a choice once exclusivities happen and they WILL happen. People need to realize this and just stop with the fairy tale "oh you can keep using the App Store NOOOOOO PROBLEM!!!!". These arguments are very short sighted. I don't look at tomorrow, I look at a year from now, two years from now. Epic will have a store, they will have big name Apps as exclusives it is a guarantee.
 
I don't think Microsoft should be too noisy about this. I think them purchasing Activision Blizzard is way more anti-competitive than what Apple has done with iOS. It was even to the point where Sony had to "remind" Microsoft to keep their cross-platform deals.
Maybe Microsoft will encourage cross-platform games with a delayed release similar to movies being offered in theatres and then streaming. Maybe some titles will eventually make it to macOS and iOS. Purchase an XBOX One X and have said title three months prior to the release of other platforms or some exclusive titles like music artists do with Apple and others.
 
This is what you said:

Also, what the hell were you installing that gave you malware? I’ve been using Macs since the 90s and never had malware issues ever.

Bold and underlined part. That is some pretty harsh language here.
Yes, because I was surprised, because I don’t think anyone I know has ever actually got malware on a Mac. If that’s what you call harsh language then we have vastly different standards for language.
 
Maybe Microsoft will encourage cross-platform games with a delayed release similar to movies being offered in theatres and then streaming. Maybe some titles will eventually make it to macOS and iOS. Purchase an XBOX One X and have said title three months prior to the release of other platforms or some exclusive titles like music artists do with Apple and others.
They won't. As evidence by their existing work. It will be Xbox and PC only.
 
I am not sure any of you understand that there is a significant portion of the Apple user base that wants the walled garden, does not care about side loading and just wants things from a single source. This particular model is unique in the mobile device marketplace and once gone will not be back.

Don't be silly. Just because the option is there doesn't mean you're forced to use it. Just like if you only drive your cart around the neighborhood while others want the freedom to drive their vehicle beyond and anywhere. Giving others the freedom doesn't affect you.
 
And you are only focusing on the sunshine and rainbows fairy tale that every....single....app in existence will remain on the App Store. We wont have a choice once exclusivities happen and they WILL happen. People need to realize this and just stop with the fairy tale "oh you can keep using the App Store NOOOOOO PROBLEM!!!!". These arguments are very short sighted. I don't look at tomorrow, I look at a year from now, two years from now. Epic will have a store, they will have big name Apps as exclusives it is a guarantee.
So if the developer of Affinity Photo offers its apps for iOS through its website or it’s own store at a steep discount you would be against this option, because you know malware.
 
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The rules are whatever Apple wants them to be.

What is "true malware"? The line gets fuzzy real fast when it comes to payments, for both legitimate and non-legitimate reasons.

True, but I'm making an assumption that Apple wouldn't deviate from what they've been doing on macOS

If they did as you're concerned about, they'd simply be placing themselves right back in the crosshairs -- and this time for truly unjustifiable actions (denying safe applications on business grounds)

I really doubt they'd do that honestly.
 
And you are only focusing on the sunshine and rainbows fairy tale that every....single....app in existence will remain on the App Store. We wont have a choice once exclusivities happen and they WILL happen. People need to realize this and just stop with the fairy tale "oh you can keep using the App Store NOOOOOO PROBLEM!!!!". These arguments are very short sighted. I don't look at tomorrow, I look at a year from now, two years from now. Epic will have a store, they will have big name Apps as exclusives it is a guarantee.

Pure guessing. Again, what's the % of Android users that actually sideload apps?
 
Giving others the freedom doesn't affect you.

LIES!

If multiple app stores exist we no longer have a single source experience so yes, it does affect us all. Apps will be spread out over multiple stores with multiple payment providers, just like MacOS is now, not a win.
 
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Yes, because I was surprised, because I don’t think anyone I know has ever actually got malware on a Mac. If that’s what you call harsh language then we have vastly different standards for language.
You do realize malware is not limited to just viruses right? It includes adware, spyware, trojans that just harvest user data and not passwords/bank details and many other forms of unwanted applications. A good example of this is BonziBuddy.
 
So if the developer of Affinity Photo offers its apps for iOS through its website or it’s own store at a steep discount you would be against this option, because you know malware.
Yes actually. I have purchased things on the macOS App Store that costed more than on their website not only for that reason but for convenience. Which is why I stick to Steam only for PC games because I don't want 400 games here, 10 games there, 5 games here and so on. I hate the fact I have to download Photoshop and others from the Adobe website and can't get it on the Mac App Store for example.

And if I need to download new stuff from websites, I always verify with a checksum if they publish that just to ensure nothing bad happened with the download. Especially when a lot of places have third party as download sources.
 
I doubt it. We see it all the time once Apple does something, the industry follows. And Epic wants their own store, and will buy exclusivity app rights to popular apps so it is ONLY available on the Epic Store on iOS and Android. Once this happens, it will lead to what it is like on PC with dozens of installers and stores.
Why would the developer not just offer it own their own website or store or promote it through various other stores. Buy from Apple AppStore for $5.00, or from Epic Store for $4.00 or from our own store for $3.50. Why are you against the app developer for having freedom and choice to do what their want with their app.
 
You do realize malware is not limited to just viruses right? It includes adware, spyware, trojans that just harvest user data and not passwords/bank details and many other forms of unwanted applications. A good example of this is BonziBuddy.
Very aware. That doesn’t change what I said.
 
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