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Siri Hacked to Run on an iPod Touch and iPhone 4
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Where did apple say this again?
Judas1 said:
Where did apple say this again?
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That doesn't have to mean feature upgrades though. It could just as well be for security updates as well. Furthermore, it doesn't say what features will be added, or that any will be. I think my point still stands that anything not promised on the original sale shouldn't be expected.
That doesn't have to mean feature upgrades though. It could just as well be for security updates as well. Furthermore, it doesn't say what features will be added, or that any will be. I think my point still stands that anything not promised on the original sale shouldn't be expected.
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So what's restricting the installation of a moonroof in car that was sold without one? Nothing really.
You cut a hole in the roof, put the unit in and wire it up to the cars electrical system.
The bottom line is that you're upset at Apples business strategy and that they aren't running things the way you think they should.
They know what they're doing and it works well. Their goal is to sell products and make money. Since they are at the top of the market world, it's safe to say that their stragety is working.
If they gave Siri away to the older iOS devices, what incentive (carrot) would they have for selling you newer device? The answer is not much. It's called planned obsolescence. If they made literally the perfect iPhone and had every and any feature one could want and had the power and performance to exceed literally everyone's wants and needs, they would never have to make another model again. Do that for every type of product they sell and eventually they would end up bankrupt because everyone would own one and never buy another again.
k995 said:
So what's restricting the installation of a moonroof in car that was sold without one? Nothing really.
You cut a hole in the roof, put the unit in and wire it up to the cars electrical system.
The bottom line is that you're upset at Apples business strategy and that they aren't running things the way you think they should.
They know what they're doing and it works well. Their goal is to sell products and make money. Since they are at the top of the market world, it's safe to say that their stragety is working.
If they gave Siri away to the older iOS devices, what incentive (carrot) would they have for selling you newer device? The answer is not much. It's called planned obsolescence. If they made literally the perfect iPhone and had every and any feature one could want and had the power and performance to exceed literally everyone's wants and needs, they would never have to make another model again. Do that for every type of product they sell and eventually they would end up bankrupt because everyone would own one and never buy another again.
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So all you're going to give me is a non-answer?
Judas1 said:
So all you're going to give me is a non-answer?
You're right. I don't accept everything Apple does. As a matter of fact, I don't. However, when you assert that Siri is an integral part of iOS 5 - the facts show otherwise.
Lets be honest here. Apple isn't grabbing you with just their hardware. Its with their integrated software and hardware that makes everything seamless. Thats what you bought into.
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Is the experience of your iPhone any less seamless than when you bought it? No.
Is the experience of your iPhone any less seamless than when you bought it? No.
So, when you bought the iP4, you were counting on being updated to siri - it's a debt owed to you?
The cost of upgrades down the line was paid for already. And if Siri is integral, you paid for it as well.
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That still didn't answer the question. Furthermore, said accounting doesn't guarantee upgrades, anyway.
Judas1 said:
That still didn't answer the question. Furthermore, said accounting doesn't guarantee upgrades, anyway.
I think the point people are making is that Siri is obviously software, it has no tie to the hardware and that tie seems to be artificially put in place.
You don't have to accept everything Apple does, you can also accept it, but to defend it actively against people pointing out the fallacy that is Siri as an "iPhone 4S only" feature is going a bit a far. Leave Apple to defend themselves, you don't have to do it for them because you happen to think it's alright.
Personally, I don't care. I've finally found 1 use for Siri where it doesn't completely suck and that's setting reminders. Of course, it's just voice control for Reminders, not some kind of advanced personal assistant like the marketing would like to tell you, but hey, at least it works somewhat well for that.
When are you gonna get it? You didn't pay for a 1 year experience. It was expected, and put into the cost, that you'd be getting the Apple experience for the life of the product.
What if you bought the iPhone 4 today ? Why are you defending Apple ? You're entitled to your opinion, but just drop this, Apple doesn't need a knight in shining armor here, there is obviously some form of "planned obsolescence" here rather than a real technical reason for the lack of Siri on older models.
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Heh. It's pretty clear that it's you who doesn't get it. You can't arbitrarily define x feature as "integral" to the experience. Apple gave you your upgrades for you iPhone. Deal with it.
Judas1 said:
Heh. It's pretty clear that it's you who doesn't get it. You can't arbitrarily define x feature as "integral" to the experience. Apple gave you your upgrades for you iPhone. Deal with it.
If you read the twitter for this hack's developer, you'll see that there is indeed a real tie to the 4S. It may be trivial, but the hack requires files from the 4S.
That does not change the fact it is software. They left out those missing files purpose. It is a 100% software issue.
Are you new? Apple does a lot of planned obsolescence. CoreDuo support in newer OSes, PPC ...
I'm not trying to be a knight in shining armor for anything, but there are a lot of people falsely claiming that siri is a part of iOS, when Apple has only marketed it as a part of the 4S - that is all I am trying to point out. Take that for what you want.
Again, planned obsolescence is a part of advancing technology - no matter what company is behind it.
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Ah, classic. Can't win an argument? Resort to ad homs. Good job.
Apple never promised anything in words to the effect of what you're saying. You can keep spouting this nonsense, but it doesn't change the fact that it's something you're arbitrarily defining to support your viewpoint.
Judas1 said:
Ah, classic. Can't win an argument? Resort to ad homs. Good job.
Apple never promised anything in words to the effect of what you're saying. You can keep spouting this nonsense, but it doesn't change the fact that it's something you're arbitrarily defining to support your viewpoint.
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Really?? Are you entitled to Siri on your iPhone 4? Apple never advertised it would be but you think it should be!?
My wife was looking to buy a new car a few months ago and the model she wanted that was in our price range didn't have navigation as an option - she had to get a different car that started off $5k more if she wanted navigation. Apple isn't doing anything much different but no one complains about car companies!? They could have put a navigation in the cheaper model but they want to entice people into buying the latest and greatest!
You don't HAVE to have Siri, so don't buy it if you don't want it. I bought an iPhone 4S and I couldn't be happier!
- Joe
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Really?? Are you entitled to Siri on your iPhone 4? Apple never advertised it would be but you think it should be!?
My wife was looking to buy a new car a few months ago and the model she wanted that was in our price range didn't have navigation as an option - she had to get a different car that started off $5k more if she wanted navigation. Apple isn't doing anything much different but no one complains about car companies!? They could have put a navigation in the cheaper model but they want to entice people into buying the latest and greatest!
You don't HAVE to have Siri, so don't buy it if you don't want it. I bought an iPhone 4S and I couldn't be happier!
- Joe
Why isn't it a part of IOS? Its got nothing to do with the hardware of the ip4.
Because if you are a consumer, you'd see that Siri is a farse to sell the 4s.
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It's not a question of defending Apple. I for one was discussing the options that any company has when bringing a product to market... be they feature options, pricing options, sales & marketing options, etc.
As a consumer, you have options as well... do I want to buy this product, or a competitive product, or no product at all? This is the principle on which free enterprise is based. Pointing out this truism is far from performing like a bleating sheep.
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I am a consumer. But at the same time I have no problem with businesses adding new features to new products to sell a product. Apple never promised Siri specifically on the iPhone 4, and even now, you can buy a 4 where it sits right next to a 4S in the store, and it doesn't have Siri. Apple markets and advertises this. If you buy the 4, you have no basis to demand it has the features of a newer product.
What about other software features? Gyro-based image/video stabilization? That kind of feature has been in cameras for years, but lo and behold, it hasn't been back ported to the 4 for free. Perhaps I should jump up and down and throw a tantrum about it and call people sheep when they try to bring me back to reality.
Judas1 said:
I am a consumer. But at the same time I have no problem with businesses adding new features to new products to sell a product. Apple never promised Siri specifically on the iPhone 4, and even now, you can buy a 4 where it sits right next to a 4S in the store, and it doesn't have Siri. Apple markets and advertises this. If you buy the 4, you have no basis to demand it has the features of a newer product.
What about other software features? Gyro-based image/video stabilization? That kind of feature has been in cameras for years, but lo and behold, it hasn't been back ported to the 4 for free. Perhaps I should jump up and down and throw a tantrum about it and call people sheep when they try to bring me back to reality.
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