Siri Protocol Cracked, But Unique iPhone 4S ID Requirement Hampers Distribution

[Rodimus Prime]

So these a$$holes will end up overloading Siri's servers with their illegal activities causing us legitimate users not to be able to access it when we need it or they will have Apple engineers so focused on protection, that they won't be able to spend much time on making Siri better. Either way this is a loss for Apple and it's dedicated customers. Why do these a$$holes waste time, money and resources on this stupidity?!

And why does Apple choose to be such a BS blocking of non iPhone4s. It was 100% BS blocking and even took down a working app from the store. Siri on the iPhone 4s only is Apple saying that they feel that the 4s can not stand on its own and needs some blocking on older devices to sell better.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

please tell us...

Wow. The iPhone 4 and the iPod Touch 4 definitely should have gotten Siri. Apple just wants money and thats why they are just having it for the iPhone 4S. The iPhone 4 and the iPod Touch 4G both have A4 which in my opinion is great for Siri.

Your opinion?! Are you serious?! Please tell us your software and/or hardware engineering expertise that allowed you to surmise that Siri would be capable of running on any of the devices you mentioned. I'm sure if Siri were able to perform at a respectable level on those devices, Apple would have included it. They did include "Voice Recognition" in iOS 5 which is a dumbed down version of Siri but felt Siri was too much for those devices. I'm quite sure given the evidence of VR that Siri was considered. This is the first step in taking a revolutionary technology and bringing it to the masses and I'm sure Apple wants to do it right with solid performing hardware parameters.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Your opinion?! Are you serious?! Please tell us your software and/or hardware engineering expertise that allowed you to surmise that Siri would be capable of running on any of the devices you mentioned. I'm sure if Siri were able to perform at a respectable level on those devices, Apple would have included it. They did include "Voice Recognition" in iOS 5 which is a dumbed down version of Siri but felt Siri was too much for those devices. I'm quite sure given the evidence of VR that Siri was considered. This is the first step in taking a revolutionary technology and bringing it to the masses and I'm sure Apple wants to do it right with solid performing hardware parameters.

Ummm you know that they already proved it worked just fine with zero lag on a 3GS. Go look at the video.
you also are showing how little clue you have in how Siri works. The phone does nothing more than record the audio and upload it to Apple's servers. The servers return back the command. Boy being a recording device must be a lot of work.

 

[rocknblogger]

lets see 512 mb or ram same as the 4 had, same scree, same phone design, what did i miss? ohhhh thats right SIRI!

I'm just curious. You're obviously an Android fan and that's fine, to each his own. But why do you take the time to find an Apple-centric forum, register, and post anti Apple comments? Why do you feel a need to try to get Apple users upset or angry? Personally I don't care what you use but you have to admit that your comments are just inflammatory and will elicit anger and frustration.

In a way I feel sorry for you because it would seem you have antisocial tendencies which must impact your life negatively. If not you would have searched for Android forums where you are much more likely to find like minded people. Good luck and I hope one day you're able to find your way to happiness. This can't be it.

 

[rocknblogger]

I have the 4S just like you, but I would like to say 2 things.

1) The antenna design is the same as the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 antenna (except the CDMA iPhone 4, which has the Qualcomm dual band chip for CDMA/GSM dual modes mind you, doesn't do antenna switching as in the 4S).

2) Stainless steel being stronger than cheapo plastics.... well of course, that in itself is true. But when that steel is sandwiched between two (beautiful) glass surfaces, then I would argue that the case for durability isn't as strong as you make it out to be. In most drop tests performed (several on Youtube alone), it seems that the 4S screen and/or back cracks miserably from the same heights which the SGS 2 survives with only a few scratches. So... arguably, the durability of the SGS 2 is higher even though it is made of "cheapo plastic."

I'm not arguing against you, but I just think that these two facts need to be rethought from a different perspective.

I personally don't think that the design of using steel and glass was meant to elicit durability as much as beautiful design. I think any intelligent person would realize that. I think that holding the iPhone evinces quality and gorgeous design.

I'm also not sure it would be fare to say that that the SGS2 is somehow more durable due to its plastic construction. I've held it and I'm not sure it would survive a drop onto concrete any more or less than the iPhone.

 

[MrSkoTA]

My god man! Your user name and your comments are hilarious.

I have hated my experiences with Google Android and Microsoft Windows, I am an Apple fan and that's why I visit this site.
But it would never even cross my mind to head over to forums dedicated to those platforms just to 'school them on why their products are crap'.

Androidfan - you really need to get out more.

He has a personality disorder... You are feeding into it...

 

[DarkKnightNine]

And why does Apple choose to be such a BS blocking of non iPhone4s. It was 100% BS blocking and even took down a working app from the store. Siri on the iPhone 4s only is Apple saying that they feel that the 4s can not stand on its own and needs some blocking on older devices to sell better.

You just sound like someone bitter because they can't afford to buy an iPhone 4S so you try to justify your reasoning with illogical gibberish. The fact of the matter is, most people did not buy an iPhone 4S for Siri. Many other people here have posted why the 4S is better than the 4 so I suggest you go back and read their posts. But for the record, I'll give you my personal reasons for upgrading.


First and foremost was the amazing new camera. I am a professional photographer as well as a multimedia content producer. I love the fact that the new camera gives me the flexibility to have an awesome camera in my pocket with me at ALL times. I can shoot nice stills or amazing 1080p video on the fly without the need of carrying around a dedicated device for that purpose only, which cuts down on the bulk I need to put in my bags or pockets. The iPhone 4S camera is a godsend.


Second I live in Japan where the original carrier chosen for the iPhone was "Softbank", a company not particularly known for their great service. The iPhone 4S was offered on a new carrier "au" and I (we) jumped at the chance to switch.


Which brings me to my next point. Reception. The new antenna design has better reception not mention that I travel a lot for work so the fact that the iPhone 4S is now a world phone is an added feature that strongly appealed to my personal needs.


And finally, time is money. The less time I spend fumbling around with my devices, the more time I spend getting actual work done. A faster processor is always a welcome addition to my hardware upgrades.


Siri wasn't even on my list for reasons to upgrade. As my wife is Japanese and Siri is not available in her native language yet, it wasn't on her list either. My point being that the iPhone 4S would have sold well even without Siri so your argument is ridiculous.

 

[macbook pro i5]

Wow. The iPhone 4 and the iPod Touch 4 definitely should have gotten Siri. Apple just wants money and thats why they are just having it for the iPhone 4S. The iPhone 4 and the iPod Touch 4G both have A4 which in my opinion is great for Siri.

what about the extreme server load if iPhone 4s users can crash the siri servers can you even begin to imagine if they added iPhone 4 and iPod touch 4 users?

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This is standard Apple operating procedure.... The ideal experience is on the 4S with the "raise to speak" feature with the new proximity sensor that is "always on" (providing the screen is on). Supposedly the quality of the microphone matters too. Further, Apple wants to differentiate its devices.

I think that Apple could at least offer the dictation keyboard part of Siri to the iPod and iPad (1 and 2) without losing too much differentiation.

what about server load?

 

[chanemin]

Everyone wants to brag about hacking Siri...

But... what I don't get is why can't they make a Siri-Like server of their own as well? These "hackers" sit on their asses until something new comes out from Apple and then try to manipulate it. Resulting in people who have paid to use the service not getting the right attention because Apple has to waste time having to ward off these morons. Nothing new... Life goes on.

Hello everyone... this is my first post

 

[DarkKnightNine]

in it's first iteration...

Ummm you know that they already proved it worked just fine with zero lag on a 3GS. Go look at the video.
you also are showing how little clue you have in how Siri works. The phone does nothing more than record the audio and upload it to Apple's servers. The servers return back the command. Boy being a recording device must be a lot of work.

Yeah Siri may work as you've descried in it's first iteration, but neither you nor I know how Siri REALLY works or how it will work in the future. Apple is still Beta testing it and new future enhancements may require the faster processing power. In the meantime, the last thing Apple needs is too many phones (or other illegal devices) accessing and overloading the servers while they're still trying to bring enhancements to the service. Your gripe is premature and baseless.

 

[macbook pro i5]

The only thing iPhone 4s has that the 4 didn't is siri... of course apple is lame and won't let anyone else have siri they want you to just keep paying the apple tax on a two year old product that is slower, smaller, cheaper, and more fragile then the competition.

I don't know why I am wasting my time but the dual core processor is the best and iOS is ACTUALLY OPTIMIZED on top of that no android phones have a GPU good enough as the one in the iPad 2 and iPhone 4s and the list goes on but I am not bothered typing all this up sorry.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Exactly!

But... what I don't get is why can't they make a Siri-Like server of their own as well? These "hackers" sit on their asses until something new comes out from Apple and then try to manipulate it. Resulting in people who have paid to use the service not getting the right attention because Apple has to waste time having to ward off these morons. Nothing new... Life goes on.

Hello everyone... this is my first post

I said the same thing, you just said it better. Welcome to MacRumors friend and congrats on your first post.

 

[E4tH]

And why does Apple choose to be such a BS blocking of non iPhone4s. It was 100% BS blocking and even took down a working app from the store. Siri on the iPhone 4s only is Apple saying that they feel that the 4s can not stand on its own and needs some blocking on older devices to sell better.

I don't think it's about blocking older devices so iPhone 4s can sell better. Its about the fact that apple bought Siri, they aren't a charity but a business and they need to make money off of Siri. They can't just give it away for free and apple doesn't really stand to profit from giving Siri to iPhone 4 users unless they were to charge them to get Siri.

 

[Mr. Gates]

SIRI is not all that cool IMHO

But still, this is bad.

They can barely handle the 4S iPhones

Bring more and the whole sevice will shut down again

 

[E4tH]

SIRI is not all that cool IMHO

But still, this is bad.

They can barely handle the 4S iPhones

Bring more and the whole sevice will shut down again

I think thats because its in beta so apple isn't going to invest in more servers until it's out of beta.

I'm not that that crazy about Siri either I like my 4s for the camera and speed. It's a cool feature to have and at times can turn a 3-4 step process to one but I hardly find myself using it.

 

[Journojulz]

It seems obvious that Siri is linked to a phone - how can it learn if if it isn't?

There also seems to be a moral difference between modifying a phone to use code and hacking into an online resource.

When Siri comes out of bata - maybe iP4 will get it, but they won't wreck the experience by opening it up to more users than the data centres will allow.

I am in no rush tbh. I think todays Siri is a game changer in an early stage, am looking forward to seeing how it grows over the next 5 years. Will wait to upgrade next year.
(In the same way i skipped the first iPhone til it had a camera)

 

[callum23]

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Hi

 

[callum23]

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hey everyone, I like hamburgers. Just saying

 

[batchtaster]

This would break Siri for EVERYONE, forcing upgrades on people.

Siri is beta. "iOS 5.x with Siri 1.0" is not unrealistic.

 

[NickFalk]

...you also are showing how little clue you have in how Siri works. The phone does nothing more than record the audio and upload it to Apple's servers. The servers return back the command. Boy being a recording device must be a lot of work.

Seriously, is this how Siri works?! You know this for a fact?
A much more sensible approach would be to do the majority of voice recognition on the device and then send a compressed data-set to Apple’s server where the actual search for answers to present the user’s request would be carried out.

 

[KnightWRX]

Apple is still Beta testing it and new future enhancements may require the faster processing power.

For what ? Everything is processed in the cloud. Siri can't do squat without access to the Internet. Local processing requiring a dual core processor would have made some kind of sense (or would it ? We've had Nuance dictation technology running on PCs much slower than the 4S, if not the 3GS and 4) but it's been disproven by the Siri outage of a few weeks ago (or was it last week ?).

Apple locked it to the 4S for some kind of reason. They could have made it part of iOS 5 as all iPhones have a unique identifier that could have been used for authentication and as has been shown, it runs fine off the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS.

Chill man, this is a discussion, not a bar brawl. No need to get pumped up and frustrated because someone has a different opinion than yours on the Internet. I own a 4S and I too agree that a Camera and a dual core SoC would have left little for Apple to market the 4S as a big upgrade.

I personally don't care about Siri, it barely works in my experience and for what it does work, some of those tasks are faster accomplished by simply using the touch screen for input. I bought the 4S for the camera and the SoC.

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Seriously, is this how Siri works?! You know this for a fact?
A much more sensible approach would be to do the majority of voice recognition on the device and then send a compressed data-set to Apple’s server where the actual search for answers to present the user’s request would be carried out.

Then why couldn't Siri do local tasks like setting reminders that don't require "searching" when the outage happens ? Why couldn't it even do proper dictation ?

No, the outage showed us that the voice processing is done on Apple's server. Siri uploads anything and everything you tell it to Apple.

Privacy issue right there.

 

[callum23]

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wow lots of nerd talk, true?

 

[NickFalk]

Then why couldn't Siri do local tasks like setting reminders that don't require "searching" when the outage happens ? Why couldn't it even do proper dictation ?

No, the outage showed us that the voice processing is done on Apple's server. Siri uploads anything and everything you tell it to Apple.

Privacy issue right there.

My point/guess would be that the phone simply pulled out text-strings based on the request the user makes. This text-string makes no meaning to Siri locally, but it can make out single words/phrases.

If this is the case it will still have to send it serverside to sort out what the user actually wants.

 

[shortys408]

I have a 4S but would love to use it on my ipad 2

 

[KnightWRX]

My point/guess would be that the phone simply pulled out text-strings based on the request the user makes. This text-string makes no meaning to Siri locally, but it can make out single words/phrases.

If this is the case it will still have to send it serverside to sort out what the user actually wants.

That makes no sense. Keyword lookup is much easier on the processor than voice decoding and analysis to provide words themselves.

Again, during the outage, Siri could not analyse your voice into text at all.