Siri Protocol Cracked, But Unique iPhone 4S ID Requirement Hampers Distribution

[Sphynx]

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This is the absolute truth, and my thoughts exactly. I hope those with < iPhone 4s never see Siri on their devices. The servers already have enough to deal with let alOne all the extra traffic that will be brought in by those who don't own a 4S.

It's funny how the 4S owners and all the other iPhone owners are separated on this matter. It's like the whole apple // verse Macintosh debacle back at apple in the early days of that company. Where the 4s owners are the Macintosh team and everyone else is an Apple //

 

[shandyman]

Well I had hopes that Applidium would resolve the VLC licensing issues so they could continue to support the VLC player app for iOS but it looks like they have been too busy trying to get their iOS developer license revoked by apple with this BS

Yea I might boycott VLC cos of them screwing over VLC on iOS

1) Should be as simple as a firmware-update.

Did you not see in the 4S teardown that it has a different proximity sensor to the 4? How does a firmware update generate new hardware?! Lol

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/09/iphone-4s-incorporates-revamped-ir-sensor-for-siris-raise-to-speak-feature/

 

[Eidorian]

Here's a list for you and those of us who neglect to mention them:

-Siri
-8 megapixel camera with vastly improved optics. Quality is absolutely outstanding. I am a pro-photographer, I use Nikon and Canon DSLRs, I shoot films on the RED and I can tell you the iPhone 4S camera is far from mediocre. 1080p video on a camera that does not look like $#!T, AND almost no color noise in well-lit photos. Amazing and worth the upgrade for me.
-A5 Chip, dual core processor. Talk to anyone who games on their iPhone, talk to me who uses the Brushes app and other creative tools. This particular upgrade makes Brushes, Games, and productivity apps run smoothly, and when I'm digital painting on my phone, I don't want the cpu to hiccup.
-improved antennae design. I get 1 more bar everywhere I got less than 5 bars with my iPhone 4. It makes the difference.
-Bluetooth 4.0.

And lets talk about the design a little. Stainless steel. Last time I checked, stainless steel is stronger than cheapo plastics. Glass. Beautiful, reflective, smooth, polished glass. My finger glides across it like a puck on ice. Used the Droid Bionic and Droid charge (Friends). It was like touching sandpaper with a burn wound.

Cheers.

Hardware specifications do not make for cute commercials for masses. Or...

People DO NOT want the research to find the answers. Dohoho~

 

[divinox]

Yea I might boycott VLC cos of them screwing over VLC on iOS



Did you not see in the 4S teardown that it has a different proximity sensor to the 4? How does a firmware update generate new hardware?! Lol

https://www.macrumors.com/2011/11/0...d-ir-sensor-for-siris-raise-to-speak-feature/

As i am capable of reading i saw in the post i commented on that it had a new sensor. However, i doubt that it is the non-digital sensor itself that restricts its behavior (i.e. makes it non-always on). If correct, then were talking about software, which ultimately points us in the direction of firmware* (assuming that is where the culprit is, in this particular case).

(And no, i have more important things to do in my life than to memorize, or even read through, mobile phone tear downs...)

The iPhone has always incorporated proximity sensors in order to turn off the device's display during phone calls to prevent accidental input, but Siri's raise to speak feature requires that the device be ready to sense proximity to the user's face at all times.​

Nothing in the above implies a need for new hardware; the sensor wouldnt know if a call was made in first place, if it wasnt alerted of such**.

* if not, the sensor is, in fact, always on, with behavior being controlled as described in **

** more likely, it is not alerted at all. rather, the OS just stops pulling its data. still, software is software is software.




"Lol".

 

[SandynJosh]

Is anyone shocked that Apple validates the device to ensure it's "allowed" to use Siri services?

The necessary built-in validation explains why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri, I can now understand the limitation. Had Apple not required validation, other brands of phones could have gotten a free ride on Apple's servers.

Once Siri is out of beta I expect Apple to allow other iPhone 4S apps to gain access to Siri, but the built-in validation will be what limits Siri to only those Apple devices to follow the 4S.

 

[southernpaws]

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Do you seriously have nothing better to do with your time than pointlessly troll with paper thin arguments that only serve to illicit impassioned responses? Get a job.

I like to school the apple sheep on why their products are illogical, overpriced, and over hyped compared to the competitors.

Well then. Get a life

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

I wouldn't want siri on my android phone, compared to my google voice apps it is hindered and not as sophisticated. Apple should just make siri open and allow devs to work with it. But then again apple wants to keep everything in a walled garden. *sigh* what a joke....

Why are you here?

 

[southernpaws]

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I said this before and will say it again, I believe the reason they didn't has more to do with load on the severs then anything else.

no they just want to force people to pay the apple tax for a mediocre upgrade...

Ice cream sandwich

 

[southernpaws]

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Just pop for a 4S and be done with it. Then you have Siri for sure.

Yeah, except that not all of us can afford to "pop" for a new iPhone every time a new one is released.

This is true. But it's a clear sense of entitlement to say you deserve all the new features without paying for them.

It's nice to get many of the new features for free but we get kind of spoiled.

 

[globalist]

The necessary built-in validation explains why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri, I can now understand the limitation. Had Apple not required validation, other brands of phones could have gotten a free ride on Apple's servers.

No it doesn't explain it.

Apple could still have required validation for iDevices only, preventing other brands a "free ride" and allowing iP 4 (or even earlier models) to use Siri at the same time...

 

[divinox]

The necessary built-in validation explains why the iPhone 4 can't run Siri, I can now understand the limitation. Had Apple not required validation, other brands of phones could have gotten a free ride on Apple's servers.

Once Siri is out of beta I expect Apple to allow other iPhone 4S apps to gain access to Siri, but the built-in validation will be what limits Siri to only those Apple devices to follow the 4S.

Doesnt all iOS devices have a unique identifier already? If so, what is the problem? Regardless, there is no reason why this cannot be done by software, and as such no reason why Siri cant be rolled out to every iOS device.

Plain and simple.

 

[AmpSkillz]

Yea I might boycott VLC cos of them screwing over VLC on iOS

From what I understand the VideoLan Organization is ok with and supported Applidiums iOS version.

Some douché (Rémi Denis-Courmont) who was one of the original creators of VLC is claiming infringment on his intellectual property rights to force them out of the App Store instead of working with them to clear up any dispute

So much for being open source

 

[SandynJosh]

Hardware specifications do not make for cute commercials for masses. Or...

People DO NOT want the research to find the answers. Dohoho~

You are mostly right. Most hardware specs are worthless. Since Apple's software is optimized for it's iOS devices, RAM and clock speed doesn't mean what it might on a desktop computer. In fact, getting by on less usually means a better battery life away from a charger.

the 8 megapixel camera spec isn't useful if the lens didn't match it in performance, but a good lens is nearly impossible to spec in a way that a normal user could understand.

Voice recognition is of questionable value if the software misunderstands you too much or if the UI is terrible ( like it is on my Crapdroid Incredible). Siri, does an outstanding recognition job, and it's still in beta. But how does one spec such a difference? I mean, when any device can understand the English of a customer service rep based in India, that would impress me.

Apple sells the "experience" of owning their devices and that experience is what people want, even if it is on a 2+ year-old device.

 

[SandynJosh]

Doesnt all iOS devices have a unique identifier already? If so, what is the problem? Regardless, there is no reason why this cannot be done by software, and as such no reason why Siri cant be rolled out to every iOS device.

Plain and simple.

There may be a reason why Siri can't access whatever unique identifier you are referring to. Besides, it has to be more then whatever unique identifier every phone has, or Apple couldn't limit access to just its customers.

And, there is also the possibility that Apple is limiting initial access, during the beta phase to just 4S customers, to prevent the service from being overwhelmed from the get-go. We sure wouldn't want another Mobile Me launch mess.

What looks "plain and simple" to you may not be quite so simple in actuality.

 

[colbertnation]

Here's a list for you and those of us who neglect to mention them:

-Siri
-8 megapixel camera with vastly improved optics. Quality is absolutely outstanding. I am a pro-photographer, I use Nikon and Canon DSLRs, I shoot films on the RED and I can tell you the iPhone 4S camera is far from mediocre. 1080p video on a camera that does not look like $#!T, AND almost no color noise in well-lit photos. Amazing and worth the upgrade for me.
-A5 Chip, dual core processor. Talk to anyone who games on their iPhone, talk to me who uses the Brushes app and other creative tools. This particular upgrade makes Brushes, Games, and productivity apps run smoothly, and when I'm digital painting on my phone, I don't want the cpu to hiccup.
-improved antennae design. I get 1 more bar everywhere I got less than 5 bars with my iPhone 4. It makes the difference.
-Bluetooth 4.0.

And lets talk about the design a little. Stainless steel. Last time I checked, stainless steel is stronger than cheapo plastics. Glass. Beautiful, reflective, smooth, polished glass. My finger glides across it like a puck on ice. Used the Droid Bionic and Droid charge (Friends). It was like touching sandpaper with a burn wound.

Cheers.

I have the 4S just like you, but I would like to say 2 things.

1) The antenna design is the same as the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 antenna (except the CDMA iPhone 4, which has the Qualcomm dual band chip for CDMA/GSM dual modes mind you, doesn't do antenna switching as in the 4S).

2) Stainless steel being stronger than cheapo plastics.... well of course, that in itself is true. But when that steel is sandwiched between two (beautiful) glass surfaces, then I would argue that the case for durability isn't as strong as you make it out to be. In most drop tests performed (several on Youtube alone), it seems that the 4S screen and/or back cracks miserably from the same heights which the SGS 2 survives with only a few scratches. So... arguably, the durability of the SGS 2 is higher even though it is made of "cheapo plastic."

I'm not arguing against you, but I just think that these two facts need to be rethought from a different perspective.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

From what I understand the VideoLan Organization is ok with and supported Applidiums iOS version.

Some douché (Rémi Denis-Courmont) who was one of the original creators of VLC is claiming infringment on his intellectual property rights to force them out of the App Store instead of working with them to clear up any dispute

So much for being open source

I believe he said that the App store did not comply with the GPL. The App stores rules violated GPL so as such it really could not be in there as such.

 

[ThisIsNotMe]

I believe he said that the App store did not comply with the GPL. The App stores rules violated GPL so as such it really could not be in there as such.

The developers should have given him the middle finger and forced a COURT OF LAW to rule on the validity of the GPL and App Store License.

 

[eject]

There may be a reason why Siri can't access whatever unique identifier you are referring to. Besides, it has to be more then whatever unique identifier every phone has, or Apple couldn't limit access to just its customers.

And, there is also the possibility that Apple is limiting initial access, during the beta phase to just 4S customers, to prevent the service from being overwhelmed from the get-go. We sure wouldn't want another Mobile Me launch mess.

What looks "plain and simple" to you may not be quite so simple in actuality.

exactly my thoughts

 

[dBeats]

I guess more developers feel like getting the boot from the Apple Developer Program...might as well start writing the headline now...

 

[ivladster]

Siri

I'm pretty sure Siri is going to be huge for Apple's next products.

I can just see integration with Cars, Home, Apple TV etc. Pretty sure that Siri will come to other apps in iOS 6 and could do other commands like: "Turn off Wifi" and fully navigate iPhone with voice. This is Apple's accessibility future as well. Someone who have hard time using iPhone with hands can simply talk the commands like "Go Home" "Open photo library" "next picture" "next" "send to John."

 

[KnightWRX]

The developers should have given him the middle finger and forced a COURT OF LAW to rule on the validity of the GPL and App Store License.

If you get the GPL ruled invalid, then you have no more rights to distribute the code at all since you just lost your distribution license. Bummer uh ?

The GPL and the App Store are incompatible. Relevant text :

“Installation Information” for a User Product means any methods, procedures, authorization keys, or other information required to install and execute modified versions of a covered work in that User Product from a modified version of its Corresponding Source. The information must suffice to ensure that the continued functioning of the modified object code is in no case prevented or interfered with solely because modification has been made.

Since you cannot provide authorization keys to sign binaries built from the source into a workable modified version, you would be in breach of the GPL and thus lose your right to distribute your own modified version of the work.

The only way to get GPL code on the App Store is dual licensing it and to do that, you need to be the original copyright holder. The VideoLan project are the only people capable of making a compliant App Store version of VLC. Since Remi was against the idea and owned parts of the copyright, his code would first have to be removed from VLC. Doing so might make the software completely useless though.

 

[Rocketman]

All you need is an app that runs on the local device and calls your own private server where the voice command is read into one of a large bank of iPhone 4S "single purpose devices" (servers).

See, X-serve isn't dead, it's just an iPhone!

Rocketman

 

[southernpaws]

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I like to school the apple sheep on why their products are illogical, overpriced, and over hyped compared to the competitors.

Why doesn't this site ban the most blatant trolls?

Hey. It's "open"

 

[aristotle]

One other feature that the iPhone 4S has which is lacking in Android handsets lack so far (as well as previous iPhones) is support for GLONASS (Russian GPS). This is especially a big deal if you travel closer to the North Pole as American based GPS is basically useless there because of the angle of orbits of the GPS system satellites.

 

[DarkKnightNine]

Yeah thanks a lot a$$holes!

So these a$$holes will end up overloading Siri's servers with their illegal activities causing us legitimate users not to be able to access it when we need it or they will have Apple engineers so focused on protection, that they won't be able to spend much time on making Siri better. Either way this is a loss for Apple and it's dedicated customers. Why do these a$$holes waste time, money and resources on this stupidity?!