SJ and Ryan Tate go at it via email at 2AM!

[daviesified]

Not in the UK when you get to high school. My cousin just joined and they refused to talk about World War and German history.

This is strange... I seem to recall helping my younger brother revise WW2 this very afternoon for a test he has this week at school.

As for your point about TV license, the TV license pays for the BBC. Ever noticed how BBC television is commercial-free? It's not about control. It was also introduced in 1946, so it's hardly a new thing either.

Apple have every right to block flash. They have every right to sell what they like in their store. If I owned a store I would have the right to choose what to sell too. You don't like it, you go elsewhere (Android, Windows Mobile, etc). When you purchased your iPad/iPhone you were fully-aware that these were the conditions.

 

[pubwvj]

i think a lot of people are too. but we should be given our own choice to decide what we want to do.

You can get all the porn you want via the web, or haven't you figured that out yet. It is nice to not also have it in the Apps store. I'm no prude but lets not be rude.

 

[gnasher729]

It's moronic how little coverage Foxconn's suicides have received when compared to a few emails sent by Steve Jobs, or Apple's fancy new phone getting leaked.

The suicide rate among Foxconn employees is significantly lower than the official suicide rate for the general population of the USA. You may also want to compare the suicide rate among Foxconn employees with that at France Telecom.

In the USA, the suicide rate in 2006 (last reported number) was 10.9 per 100,000 per year. An estimated 12 to 25 nonfatal suicide attempts occur for every suicide death (source: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml ). Foxconn has 480,000 employees. So with same rate of suicides and suicide attempts as the general population of the USA, we would expect 52 suicides per year, and between 627 and 1308 suicide attempts per year.

 

[NSMonkey]

It seems like Steve feels he shouldn't be questioned. Bill Gates, whatever one thinks of him, handled questioning and criticism much better and he had a whole lot more of both than Steve ever did. Gates would alway be relentlessly positive. Despite Steve's complaint that the journalist is negative, in that exchange Steve sounded even more negative.

If Steve Jobs "feels he shouldn't be questioned", why is he personally answering unsolicited, critical questions? I don't recall Bill Gates going out of his way to directly engage random critics on the internet. Obviously, your feelings have impeded your ability to reach a logical conclusion.

 

[J-Squire]

i think a lot of people are too. but we should be given our own choice to decide what we want to do.

This is what I don't get. You DO still have choice. Apple isn't outlawing anything. You have total freedom to choose what you look at and what you consume - just not on their device. They are a company passionate about their products, and if they choose to make their products a certain way and put certain restrictions in place, that's their call - you don't HAVE to buy them if looking at porn/accessing flash/connecting to other media players is important to you.

But its their product, it has their name on it, their employees have put their life work into it. They get to decide what it is. And I think that's awesome.

 

[marksman]

Have something to say?

No because it is pointless to try and convince someone who is young that there is a massive amount of value from life experience. Nobody ever understands it until they gets older.

 

[Kahnyl]

You can get all the porn you want via the web, or haven't you figured that out yet. It is nice to not also have it in the Apps store. I'm no prude but lets not be rude.

It'd be nice if all the Todo lists were removed from the store also. I never use them, and it's not like people who want them can't just use the Notes app.

 

[SFC Archer]

It'd be nice if all the Todo lists were removed from the store also. I never use them, and it's not like people who want them can't just use the Notes app.

NO...I think all the games should be removed...They condone VIOLENCE and teach all kids and MacRumor Posters to be violent and rude...LOL

 

[MacBookDan]

This is strange... I seem to recall helping my younger brother revise WW2 this very afternoon for a test he has this week at school.

As for your point about TV license, the TV license pays for the BBC. Ever noticed how BBC television is commercial-free? It's not about control. It was also introduced in 1946, so it's hardly a new thing either.

Apple have every right to block flash. They have every right to sell what they like in their store. If I owned a store I would have the right to choose what to sell too. You don't like it, you go elsewhere (Android, Windows Mobile, etc). When you purchased your iPad/iPhone you were fully-aware that these were the conditions.

That's what I was thinking when he said it also, we did learn about the subject also. The school is very 'edgy' about anything anyway, when I was there we wasn't allowed to learn German but now they do and have a choice. Reason we wasn't allowed to learn German wasn't stated, the French teachers knew German also.

I do not own an iPad nor iPhone but it's just the fact we have no choice as a consumer in what the product has. Yes Apple own the iPad and all that but it's no reason to say why I can't use something I need. Having the 'don't like it go somewhere else' attitude is going to make them lose alot of money in years to come. Not like Apple have brought anything out in the past 10years that has been 'amazing' touch screen technology has been around for many years. Now as soon as another phone comes a long which is competition to Apple they'll try and sue them for using 'touch screen'. That's the impression they give me anyway.

 

[ELScorcho9]

When I started to like Apple, they become more douchebags than ever before. Damn arrogant and powerhungry company.

I wanted to go all Apple soon, but now Im not so sure about that. I agree with Tate, when he says that Apple is enforcing their morals on us users.

Its not as easy as to buy, or not to buy an iPad. The fact is that Apple is ruling the second majority of the computer market, and there is a whole ecosystem of developers, users and businesses depending on Apples products.

Apple seem to think that their only customers are fans, who will bend over for anything Apple wants. I think computers has ethical rights to uphold. Like letting people use it for what THEY want. Thats why its called a PERSONAL computer.

Now its less like "Apple iPad" in your hands. Its more like "Apples iPad" in your hands.

They're not enforcing anything on you. You can still look at freakin' porn on your iPhone. They're just not allowing porn applications in the App Store. Get over it. If you really watch porn that much that you need an app on your mobile phone for it, then there's more of a personal issue at hand.

 

[JosephBergdoll]

Good read, he has a lot of good points.

 

[ZebraineZ]

This is how I feel as well, and it all comes back to the Flash discussion... if Microsoft was to say that anyone on Windows wasn't allowed to use Firefox or Safari a stink would be storming and Microsoft would get so many names and horrible comments thrown at them but Apple just don't care...

I only see the iPad as the bad move in technology, when I first saw it I thought it was April fools.

But the difference is that Microsoft controlled the entire computer market, there was no competition, something even they know, so the argument that you could have chose something else if you wanted wouldn't make much sense since Microsoft was everywhere.

At least in this case, Apple doesn't have market dominance, I don't know where people are getting at, there are so many options right now in the smartphone market that I wish I had years ago when Windows was a monopoly (and in some cases still is), which is why I choose Android because it's appealing to me, it does what I need, so does the iPhone, which some people may like more, this is the area that we choose for ourselves, after that it's up to the company to choose the rest....sadly.

 

[Kahnyl]

They're not enforcing anything on you. You can still look at freakin' porn on your iPhone. They're just not allowing porn applications in the App Store. Get over it. If you really watch porn that much that you need an app on your mobile phone for it, then there's more of a personal issue at hand.

What, he likes to watch porn, and might prefer the performance of a native app. I don't get what's wrong with that.

 

[farmboy]

Yes you've all heard the innate wisdom from the 19 year old graduate of the Oregon public school system. All this knowledge and wisdom from his long life's experiences which he departs unto us by the kindness of his heart. By the way it's spelled hypocrisy

/vomit

I guess he didn't read Emerson in school, either: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds". At his age he sees everything in absolutes, with not enough life experience to separate forest and trees.

 

[Kahnyl]

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[H. Flower]

What, he likes to watch porn, and might prefer the performance of a native app. I don't get what's wrong with that.

What's wrong is being concerned about it.

 

[yiswitched]

The suicide rate among Foxconn employees is significantly lower than the official suicide rate for the general population of the USA. You may also want to compare the suicide rate among Foxconn employees with that at France Telecom.

In the USA, the suicide rate in 2006 (last reported number) was 10.9 per 100,000 per year. An estimated 12 to 25 nonfatal suicide attempts occur for every suicide death (source: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml ). Foxconn has 480,000 employees. So with same rate of suicides and suicide attempts as the general population of the USA, we would expect 52 suicides per year, and between 627 and 1308 suicide attempts per year.

Clearly I was not speaking to you.

 

[iLunar]

That's just one viewpoint.

Your positioning sex as being an equal to porn. They're not. Taken too far, and both can be dangerous. Open your eyes up to the large populations of people whose lives have been destroyed by their addiction to either or both. It is a problem.

I agree that there's too much violence being portrayed in media, though. And I also feel that helping children to understand and make their decisions about both starts at home.

I could care less about the whole porn debate, whether it is healthy or not, etc. That is up to the individual who wants to view it.

What I don't understand is, why MUST Apple have porn in the App store?

Porn is readily, freely available all over the internet. You can download porn specifically formatted for Apple mobile products directly from porn vendors.

So why should Apple offer porn when they don't want to? They, themselves, are losing 30% of potential app sales in the adult market because they don't want to deal with it.

I have yet to hear a cogent argument about why Apple should put porn in the App store? Apple in no way is telling you what is moral or right/wrong or what to do with your iPad. They are simply saying, hey, we don't want to be in the Porn business and deal with that market segment, but feel free to get it elsewhere.

This isn't censorship. Apple isn't giving you an iPad that will all of a sudden blur out boobies and dicks. You can put all the porn you want on your iPad.

 

[awmazz]

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As opposed to accumulating it from others' life experiences? That's life experience porn.

 

[yiswitched]

I guess he didn't read Emerson in school, either: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds". At his age he sees everything in absolutes, with not enough life experience to separate forest and trees.

His knowledge of absolutes has to do with sith's and nothing else

 

[SteveSparks]

What, he likes to watch porn, and might prefer the performance of a native app. I don't get what's wrong with that.

I think safari and the video player will work just fine. Which are native!

Oh! You want a porn catalog application that makes it much easier to find the porn...

That is also built in... well kinda...

Its called Google...

 

[applesupergeek]

The suicide rate among Foxconn employees is significantly lower than the official suicide rate for the general population of the USA. You may also want to compare the suicide rate among Foxconn employees with that at France Telecom.

In the USA, the suicide rate in 2006 (last reported number) was 10.9 per 100,000 per year. An estimated 12 to 25 nonfatal suicide attempts occur for every suicide death (source: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/suicide-in-the-us-statistics-and-prevention/index.shtml ). Foxconn has 480,000 employees. So with same rate of suicides and suicide attempts as the general population of the USA, we would expect 52 suicides per year, and between 627 and 1308 suicide attempts per year.

Excellent post but you shouldn't bother replying to his trolling, just put him on the ignore list. He intentionally trolls here and offends others. Doesn't surprise me that he said he just graduated from high school. Acting out it typical with kids.

 

[ELScorcho9]

What, he likes to watch porn, and might prefer the performance of a native app. I don't get what's wrong with that.

He can want it. That's fine. But Apple doesn't have to deliver. They're not bad people because they choose not to deliver.


Is Target and Wal-Mart bad because they don't sell porn in their stores? They choose not to for the same reason Apple chooses not to.

 

[raybo]

Gawker

Gawker - waste of time - get a life!!!!

Read a book instead - on an iPad??!!!

 

[SteveSparks]

I can't be bothered parenting, so I'm gald Apple exist to do it for me. Heck, if more companies followed their lead, I wouldn't have to do a thing to raise my child.

Huh? How does Apple not selling something effect your parenting? If this were a government mandate, I would at least understand your point. Although considering your place of residence, I think there is a lot more restrictions there than here... my opinion..

If you want to parent, and want the challenge of monitoring your kids use of an app store buy Google. I don't want any more challenge than I have to face, and there is much on iTunes, my son won't see until he is much older.

If you want content that Apple does not sell, then buy something else... its called freedom of choice...