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You understand that different people have different values, right? That it brings insufficient value to you doesn't mean it is the same for others.

Of course, but there can be an heavily-represented segment, and the "no thanks" segment is pretty high among Apple fans. There is a reason that there was a collective groan at WWDC when the price was announced.

....but as I said earlier, I'm an anti-early adopter. I wait for everyone else to test things out and for the novelty to wear off, then I buy if it looks compelling, or move on.
 
I can buy it many times over with just what's in my checking account. It's still too expensive for what it is.

It's not the price, it's the value. I don't know why people keep missing that... It doesn't bring enough to the table to be worth what is being charged.
You don't know why people can't understand your opinion? How about the fact that not everyone agrees with you and that your word is not from on high. I find plenty of value in it and will be first in line to buy one. I don't understand why you can't see the value in it.
 
You don't know why people can't understand your opinion? How about the fact that not everyone agrees with you and that your word is not from on high. I find plenty of value in it and will be first in line to buy one. I don't understand why you can't see the value in it.

Apparently the attendees at WWDC agreed with me, since there were boos, groans and laughs when Apple announced the price.

The reason I don't find value in it? Because it does absolutely nothing that I find interesting, it doesn't do anything that I can't do with a screen or a couple screens, I don't want to wear goggles for a multitude of reasons, the video eyes are creepy AF, it'll be a locked-down iOS style OS, it can't take external inputs (hdmi, ps, switch, etc.) ...and because I don't want to isolate myself from the people around me.

I work in healthcare (hospital). The chance of my being able to use is it is a micro percentage above zero.

 
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You don't know why people can't understand your opinion? How about the fact that not everyone agrees with you and that your word is not from on high. I find plenty of value in it and will be first in line to buy one. I don't understand why you can't see the value in it.

Many people have articulated a litany of valid concerns about this product. It really isn’t hard to understand why people would want an OBVIOUS and COMPELLING reason to put a mask over their faces for hours on end. That’s a big ask and Apple hasn’t shown us why we should accept.
 
Apple has already admitted that they’re constraining production of the device to around 450k in the initial release. That's all about creating the artificial appearance of overwhelming demand. It’s also a comment on Apple’s lack of confidence in the device IMO.
When did Apple admit this?
 
Again and again...if it's not for YOU, it's not for you. Period. End. This idea that YOUR needs are everyone's needs is a remnant of Influencer Ethos where everyone thinks their opinion should matter to everyone else. People think they are all prognositicators. AND, there's a heavy does of "I actually do want this, but can't afford it." I think that was what was underneath the "boos" mentioned at WWDC. Nobody would even care to boo if they didn't feel they wanted it first.

I find the value proposition of a Tesla to be too much for me. But I don't then go on to Tesla boards to declare some universal truth about Teslas.

Move on. I'd rather be talking to people who are interested in the tech.

People are making the same fallacious arguments on both sides of this debate so I’d be careful about throwing too many stones.
 
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But why is it even a "debate?" What is your interest in the product? If you have none, then what are you debating? To what end? If it's a success or a failure has seemingly nothing to do with you. You don't want it, don't like it, so move on.

How is me liking it and wanting it and thinking it provides me a good value proposition fallacious in any way? You keep saying "there are valid concerns" as though you are some major stock holder in Apple and that this will sink the company. But so far as I can tell, the success or failure of this product affects you in no way, since you have no interest. And yet, you're here, every time, to tell people "there are valid concerns" Concerns for WHAT? In what way does the AVP affect you, such that you need to warn others about your valid concerns?

Fans talk about stuff like this. Nothing new. We’re Apple fans, we talk about stuff like this.
 
I will be purchasing day one. I upgraded to the iPhone 15 Pro Max just to be able to record spatial video of my family. I am so looking forward to the large displays and the ability to use them on long flights. I bought the first Mac, the first iPod, the first iPhone, the first iPad, the first Apple Watch, the first AirPods, the first HomePods, and now will by the first Apple spatial computer. This is going to be a huge hit once people are seen wearing them on planes, etc. The word of mouth and ability to test drive the device will sell it even at $3500 plus.
 
This is a fun game!

Lisa, Apple III, Macintosh TV, Newton Message Pad, eWorld, Pippin, eMate, the round mouse, iPod HiFi… success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success… as predicted by many Apple fans at the time.
Without thinking I am able to predict the future of this category, two things I find are wrong with your logic.

1.- I would say there is a difference between an instance of a product and a whole category. He was talking about categories, you mostly named specific products. Or does the flop of the Lisa mean the whole computer business did not work out?

2.- As predicted by many Apple fans at the time. Yet, the newest product you mentioned dates back to 2006, and is the only product in the list that came out after the birth of Macrumors. Maybe there were big communities of Apple fans discussing the future success of these particular products in the early 90's to which you belonged, and I just missed out on them.
 
Enough with criticising the AVP as though it's a single-purpose device. It's a general use computer with 3D capability. 3D movies are but one of many, many uses that people can and will have for it.

If this thing succeeds, it will be despite 3-D movies, not because they are an option.

Based on the SDK, it's not going to be a general purposecomputer, any more than the iPad is a general purpose computer. It's gonna be a locked down iOS style OS and all applications will have to filter through Apple.
 
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it shouldn't be expected that Apple will sell millions of Vision Pros in 2024.
it shouldn’t be expected because it’s not even possible.
Even if these things were $.99 a pop, apples only rumored to be able to make half a million in 2024, and that’s a higher estimate than most.
 
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It is very reassuring that I will not have problems placing my pre-order given all the hate for vison pro in this thread.
By the amount of people hating on the device you would think it will sit online for weeks and never sell out, reality is that it will sell out in minutes if not even faster 🤣 because no one in real life cares what xXJoeMamaXx thinks about it.
 
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Can you give me a reference to that?

Here's one definition of a general purpose computer

I don't think this is in any way a serious debate. The iPad is way more capable than many early computers, with much more software available to do millions of different tasks and computing functions.

I suppose your definition is different, but I don't consider a computer a general purpose computer, unless I have access to the underlying OS, and can write and execute code on said device without approval of any other entity.

My first computer was a TRS 80.
 
By the amount of people hating on the device you would think it will sit online for weeks and never sell out, reality is that it will sell out in minutes if not even faster 🤣 because no one in real life cares what xXJoeMamaXx thinks about it.

The problem is that no one out of the type of person that hangs out on this site has any interest in buying this.
 
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