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Sketchy Rumor Says Vision Pro Will Launch in Final Week of January

Surf Monkey said:
This is a fun game!

Lisa, Apple III, Macintosh TV, Newton Message Pad, eWorld, Pippin, eMate, the round mouse, iPod HiFi… success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success… as predicted by many Apple fans at the time.
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I already addressed those products on a post further up in this thread.

Once more: "Yes, Apple had some doozies when it was a relatively young company."

I don't recall anyone here saying they'd be a smashing success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success… as you claim.

Those devices were created under different Apple leadership.

And... as I also said further up, the first gen AVP is primarily for developers to create AR apps. And for some people who are curious about the potential of AR and not burdened with stunted imaginations. Apple will further iterate on AVP, releasing smaller versions as time goes on along with developers creating interesting AR applications.

AVP is not just about a headset that allows a user to see multiple huge virtual displays in their living room. That comes along for the ride, as I've pointed out at least a dozen times in the past.
 
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I predict the reason the product won’t do as well as some might anticipate is because it is a wearable device that is not necessarily going to fit in with other wearables that are currently in use. The demographic for this are people who are already active users of VR and who are interested in productivity and the Apple ecosystem. That’s a very niche market.

Most people just cannot be bothered to put on a huge pair of goggles to interact with a game, film or what have you. It’s impractical until it becomes so thin and light that people forget it’s even on.
 
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Timo_Existencia said:
I don't think Apple is targeting this group in any way. In fact, I think they've gone out of their way to NOT target this group. And many gamers seemed pissed that Apple hasn't made gaming the number one priority of the AVP.
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Spot-on. Most people here don't know what AR is about, it's history, and what it allows people to do.

Most here think AVP's main purpose is to give headset wearers the ability to virtually see multiple huge computer display screens in their living room. Yes, people will be able to do that. But AVP is MUCH more than that, and where Apple's main interest and market lies.
 
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With the limited quantity and all the hype this AVP will sell out quickly and it will have a resale value of more than $3500 within weeks of its release. I will buy it solely with that in mind, it is just the same as Taylor Swift tickets. My only concern is will Apple try to limit the resale of these units (like Ford did with the Ford GT).

As for AVP actual utility, like so many products it will come down to software, not the hardware itself. Gaming is a good example, it could be a gaming hit if there is some really good UNIQUE game available. The other potential big market good be sports , imagine watching a boxing match or a basketball ball game from on court, as viewed from the perspective of a participant or official. But until the software is in hand, this is just a “could be” verses a “certainly will be”. And with so few units, this software will only come to be if Apple develops it themselves. No top quality 3rd party developer will be the 1st to invest in the AVP, with such a limited market
 
Timo_Existencia said:
A general purpose computer is a computer that can be used for general, unspecified purposes to many, many different people. My wife certainly considers her iPad a general purpose computer.

But the point, if it you're still not understanding, is that the AVP won't have one or even just a few "use cases" or "one killer app." Does the iPad have a single use case? A single killer app? Of course not.

That geeks can't access the core code is an extremely narrow view of a computer.
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I guess so. The iOS system just seems way too locked down to be a general purpose computer.

Take my wife for example, she's an attorney, and today, at one time, she had four PDFs open, a zoom call, a chat window going with a client in jail while VPN'nd into the local courts network, so she could send files back-and-forth and edit and view them.

She's not a geek in any way, shape or form.

I routinely have 6-10 excel documents open, working/reading patient charts and have a teams call going. I don't work in tech (I'm in clinical healthcare) and never have; and don't consider myself a tech geek/nerd, even if i do understand tech.
 
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Sorinut said:
I guess so. The iOS system just seems way too locked down to be a general purpose computer.

Take my wife for example, she's an attorney, and today, at one time, she had four PDFs open, a zoom call, a chat window going with a client in jail while VPN'nd into the local courts network, so she could send files back-and-forth and edit and view them.

She's not a geek in any way, shape or form.

I routinely have 6-10 excel documents open, working/reading patient charts and have a teams call going. I don't work in tech (I'm in clinical healthcare) and never have.
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So what are you saying? Is it not possible on an iPad?
 
Timo_Existencia said:
And she'd be able to do exactly that on an AVP, no?
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No, because judges don't like it when you're wearing goggles in the courtroom.

As for me, patients might get a little freaked out if I'm standing next to their bed with ski goggles on and fake eyes.

The big kicker is that both of us need access to proprietary software that isn't available through Apple.
 
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Sorinut said:
As for me, patients might get a little freaked out if I'm standing next to their bed with ski goggles on and fake eyes.
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Sure, I get that...

But would they mind if you were wearing an AR (augmented reality) headset that helped/assisted you in performing a complicated surgical procedure?
 
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klasma said:
Are you implying that the tax affects the display resolution??
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I think they were saying that sales tax is making it cost more the $3500 that Apple said it would cost. Approximately $500. It will vary slightly depending on where you live, as different states have different tax rates.
 
Timo_Existencia said:
Sure, I'm not saying that she or you would want that specific platform in your specific case...but you listed a bunch of tasks that you CAN do on an iPad, and more specifically, on an AVP. I guess I'm not understanding how your above statements of your wife's or your use case mean that IOS is not a general computing device.
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I guess at this point, for me, is that iPads can't do several window at the same time multitasking, can't run applications that Apple hasn't approved, and have sandboxed apps, so for instance I can't share my open excel window on Teams.

Edit: oh yea, one big thing. The AVP is one-person device. It doesn't have user accounts and can't be shared. Same as iPad and iOS. That's a huge, bigger than huge turn off for me, and big negative for the iPad too.
 
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Timo_Existencia said:
I can't wait for the NFL to do a deal where they put 3D capable cameras on the guy-line wires over the field and let me watch the game in 3 dimensions from that view point.

I'd pay $300/year for a subscription to such a service. Maybe more.
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Stop it!

Flagrantly flexing one's imagination is discouraged here.

No forum cred for you today.

That aside, your idea would be awesome! I'd pay for that too.
 
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Timo_Existencia said:
But iPad CAN do mulitiple windows and multitasking now:

Use multitasking on your iPad

And the AVP will take the to a whole new level.

And doesn't Microsoft have a Teams app for the iPad?
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They are sandboxed. I can't drag my excel window into a live teams meeting, and I can't have 4-6 windows open at once. I can't share my iPad screen with the meeting.

Sandboxed apps suck in a lot of situations.

We also share our computers at home. iPad and AVP have no user accounts. WTF apple? A $4k device and only one user?!
 
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I'm sure YouTubers like MKBHD probably have their reviews ready to launch the second this gets released. And dozens of videos all year to try to pump up interest.

Until that price drops, it won't go mainstream.
 
Timo_Existencia said:
There's another great potential use. Virtual diving in the world's greatest dive spots. No license required.
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Nor are you actually diving. See something cool 50ft away? Nah, not unless the recording was made of someone going to it.

Might as well watch National Geographic if you're going to live virtually though other people's experiences.
 
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jigzaw said:
I'm fascinated by it and really want to try it out. I'm close to being willing to shell out for it with a couple of caveats-

1. The upgrade release timetable. If this is going to be a yearly product like the iPhone, then I'd feel like a dummy buying Gen 1
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No way. Latest rumour was 2027 for version 2, and I believe it. The tech inside AVP is so cutting edge, it will take a good long while to iterate on that.

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2. Eye health. I really hope Apple comes with receipts about the effect of strapping two bright screens to your eyes for hours at a time. Common sense is that it would be very bad for your vision, but I'm open to new information.
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The screens won‘t actually be very bright, simply because they don‘t have to. They have to light up just a tiny room (i.e. the inside of the device) which is also completely sealed against outside light.

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3. I work mostly at home in TV post-production, and another monitor is always welcome. So I'm wondering if the VP is THE computer you're using or if it functions more as a monitor extension to your desktop/laptop... or both! Would I be able to tether this thing to my 2017 iMac that I use for work and give me a 3rd virtual monitor to complement my Apple Studio?
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As I understand it, AVP does work as one (1) external display for a Mac. I‘m not sure if or how this influences how many other displays you can use with the Mac at the same time. But honestly, I don‘t know how practical it would actually be to use „real“ monitors while wearing the AVP; the pass-through, while apparently much better than on other VR devices, may not be high-res enough for this.
 
Timo_Existencia said:
Man, you're a tough nut :) and such a skeptic. Again, I ask, why? Why put so much effort into a product you don't like?

If you can't imagine how this would be different than watching a nature documentary on a 2D screen, then I don't think there's much point talking about it.
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I'm just being a contrarian at this point! 😛

Okay, I'll stop being one for a minute and give you my honest take. It looks alright, kinda overpriced and too locked down (one user). It's not for me, but it is for some people and I hope they enjoy it. 😊
 
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Super important to keep the date secret. Also super important to cloak Google's tens of billions of dollars payment for default search secret so we cannot evaulate "services" revenues. Investors perhaps appreciate Apple's secrecy. Others, though, not so much. A major product release is few weeks away (let's assume), and it is still a f******* secret. WTF. Tim has a fiduciary responsibilty to provide investors information. No one seems to care because secrecy is good I guess.
 
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citysnaps said:
Sure, I get that...

But would they mind if you were wearing an AR (augmented reality) headset that helped/assisted you in performing a complicated surgical procedure?
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That would require Apple having the device certified as a medical device, which is highly unlikely. Anything used in a medical setting has to meet all sorts of requirements. These fantasy scenarios are just that, fantasy. No doctor is going to use AVP in surgery.
 
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Timo_Existencia said:
Man, you're a tough nut :) and such a skeptic. Again, I ask, why? Why put so much effort into a product you don't like?

If you can't imagine how this would be different than watching a nature documentary on a 2D screen, then I don't think there's much point talking about it.
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Sadly, I think there's a culture here where many people need to quickly come up with reasons why a product will flop. It seems that's encouraged and honored here. And establishes credibility.

Rather than, dreaming a bit, letting one's imagination run wild little, and coming up with interesting ideas and possibilities.
 
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