Skylake CPUs for next MB. (merged)

[zedsdead]

14" model.

 

[freddiecable]

That won't be happening. A single physical port on rMB is Apple's strategic statement on where they see the future of laptops. They won't be going back on that. You are as likely to see a 2nd Lightening port on iPhone (not very!).

You might be right. But it is a hassle without. The MBA is just right. I love having 2 USB's and the SD-card-reader. So like many have been saying - a MBA with retina with MB-design - is what plenty of people really 'want and need'.

 

[doitdada]

It's still a long way until feb-mars-april, when the refresh will hit the rumour sites and finally stores. I hopefully would really appreciate pro models with better specs, but within the same form factor and thinness we have in the rMB. Skylake will maybe bring some performance gains, but performance ain't computers biggest problem at the moment. Its battery and here we will see some innovation.

 

[Dayv]

1080p webcam( not buying one until then)

Even the top-of-the line MBP only has a 720p camera. So... be prepared to wait a while?

I just don't use the camera often enough to even consider the current one a deal breaker. It's not the sharpest out there, but it gets the job done when I need it.

 

[mripadmini]

Even the top-of-the line MBP only has a 720p camera. So... be prepared to wait a while?

sorry I meant to put 1080p or 720p. edited my post

 

[Dante Rising]

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[zhenya]

If you were waiting for Skylake, it apparently just got delayed by 6 months:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/16/intel-skylake-chips-delayed/


Looks like my girlfriend will end up buying now. she was barely hanging on for a Skylake refresh, but an additional 6 months is too long of a wait.

That's not what this news is saying. It's saying that the planned generation after Skylake, Cannonlake, will be delayed by 6 months, and they will add another generation between Skylake and Cannonlake, Kaby Lake. This will make for 3 generations at 14nm rather than the planned 2, and it gives Intel more time to get to 10nm.

 

[Dante Rising]

That's not what this news is saying. It's saying that the planned generation after Skylake, Cannonlake, will be delayed by 6 months, and they will add another generation between Skylake and Cannonlake, Kaby Lake. This will make for 3 generations at 14nm rather than the planned 2, and it gives Intel more time to get to 10nm.

You are correct. I've removed my post. That's what I get for skimming an article at 3am when I couldn't sleep.

 

[Dayv]

You are correct. I've removed my post. That's what I get for skimming an article at 3am when I couldn't sleep.

The url even says "Intel Skylake chips delayed" -- I think it may have had an inaccurate headline when you linked to it.

 

[sasha.danielle]

You are correct. I've removed my post. That's what I get for skimming an article at 3am when I couldn't sleep.

I think it's still worth the post. The Tick-tock-tock schedule is interesting. It actually makes me feel pretty secure knowing I'm planning on updating to a Skylake rMB and purchasing a Skylake iMac 5k. It seems those machines should be perfectly fine for longer on this new schedule. Works for me.

 

[Cheffy Dave]

These "waiters" are grossly misinterpreting chip availability and OEM device availability. In reality there is a two month (very poor performance) to seven month (optimized performance) lag between Intel release dates and OEM releases. Not to mention the fact that Apple has never shown the propensity to be the first to release new technology -- their company mantra is more akin to offering superb designs of tried-and-true technology. This is the basis of Samsung fanboy arguments, why do people ignore this when choosing to hate on Broadwell?

Case in point: M-5Y10/a was available from Intel on Sept 5th, 2014 and you didn't see the first devices shipping until early November. These early devices widely panned as being underwhelming and a depressing picture was painted for Core-M promises. The M-5Y31/51 were released by Intel on Oct 27th, 2014 and this time OEMs seemed to optimize their architecture and devices weren't released until early spring 2015, for Apple in April (with a dramatically resigned motherboard).

I'd expect OEM collusion and an even longer shelf life for OEM Broadwell-Y designs than tech reporters seeking clicks are suggesting. There is no chance that Apple will upgrade the rMB this fall, only a few weeks after Intel releases the chip. You must consider changing socket designs for the CPU itself, new motherboards that have to be designed, new charging mechanisms (Skylake features wireless charging), and of course case design and then Apple's strong history of extensive product testing.

There are simply too many changes Broadwell to Skylake to expect a 2015 release of an Apple product featuring the chip. Buy rMB now, sell it later if you want to upgrade. How much time have you spent worrying about the cost effectivity of 2015 rMB? Since you can "tick-tock" your days left on the Earth, how valuable is your time?

My money is that Apple won't release a Skylake rMB until they master wireless charging (also why there will never be more than one USB-C port). Engineering wireless charging can't start fully until they have chips in hand, in late fall. A 300+ day update window actually looks pretty realistic...

Finally, a breath of fresh air, with some solid thinking you can hang your hat on
I'm going for the most portable one, the new rMB. So far ahead of its time,Apples cutting edge of very thin, ultralight LAPTOP. Simply perfect piece of kit to travel and run my business,use the new Office 365, with Word,Excel,PowerPoint, answer email and correspondence . Want don't need Retina, be very happy will an 11" Retina Air, but I have given up waiting

 

[krspkbl]

Skylake variant Core M are due out later this year and Apple usually updates their line up quickly when a new set come out.

I don't think we'll see a huge update. Think of it as the MacBook S. Updated CPU. New camera. MAYBE an extra USB-C port. Apart from not probably not a huge difference.

 

[Dayv]

My money is that Apple won't release a Skylake rMB until they master wireless charging (also why there will never be more than one USB-C port). Engineering wireless charging can't start fully until they have chips in hand, in late fall. A 300+ day update window actually looks pretty realistic...

I agree with most of your post, but this part I think is less likely. Skyline enables wireless charging, but it's not a required feature. If Apple puts wireless charging into a laptop, I expect it will be in one of the MBPs first, because there's more space in the enclosure to add the necessary components. Adding induction coils for charging the MB would take out a larger percentage of battery capacity.

Honestly, until wireless charging at a distance of more than a few inches is feasible, I don't see it being a killer feature. Until then, you need some sort of charging mat or cradle that is much bigger than a traditional power connector, and only a bit more convenient.

 

[sasha.danielle]

Skylake variant Core M are due out later this year and Apple usually updates their line up quickly when a new set come out.

I don't think we'll see a huge update. Think of it as the MacBook S. Updated CPU. New camera. MAYBE an extra USB-C port. Apart from not probably not a huge difference.

The Skylake processor itself will be a significant upgrade.

 

[toddzrx]

It'd be interesting to see Apple expand the MB line with the addition of a 14" model, and this might also include an extra port or two that many posters seem to want.

I'm in no rush to replace my current 2010 iMac (with internal SSD), but when it is ready in a couple years, I'd like to get a MB that, I hope, could be the ideal laptop that doubles as a desktop when docked (think Henge Vertical Dock, or by then a 4K or 5K Thunderbolt Display). Of course, the dock or monitor would contain extra ports for peripherals that don't need to come with me when on the road; just grab the MB and go.

 

[Ghost31]

It'd be interesting to see Apple expand the MB line with the addition of a 14" model, and this might also include an extra port or two that many posters seem to want.

I really wonder if the retina MacBook is the next generation MacBook Air. Like there's a small one and a slightly bigger one and if because apple was able to decrease overall size so much, if that means the screens will be 1 bigger than the airs. The 11 and 13 air. The 12 and 14 MacBook. It would make sense.

 

[toddzrx]

I really wonder if the retina MacBook is the next generation MacBook Air.

I think it's a safe guess to say it is. I give the MBA another generation processor upgrade, and unless high sales are maintained, that'll probably be it. At best, it'll hang around for sale without any further upgrades like the non-retina 15" MBP did a couple years back. But in general I think the MBA's days are numbered.

 

[Serban]

Apple is rumored to release a 14.7" Macbook Air with Skylake cpu a bigger battery and the target is from 12h battery usage to bring to us the first laptop with 24h battery usage

 

[gernot.kogler]

Apple is rumored to release a 14.7" Macbook Air with Skylake cpu a bigger battery and the target is from 12h battery usage to bring to us the first laptop with 24h battery usage

Sounds very unlikely to me. I don't think we'll see new non retina Macs since Yosemite and El Capitan are designed for retina. I also think the new Macbook ist the design prototype for all new Macbooks.

I'd expect a 14" Macbook with the Skylake Core M and 14" / 16" Macbook Pros, all designed like the new Macbook.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

Apple is rumored to release a 14.7" Macbook Air with Skylake cpu a bigger battery and the target is from 12h battery usage to bring to us the first laptop with 24h battery usage

Are we now inventing our own rumors?

 

[Serban]

Are we now inventing our own rumors?

Yea baby
but serious, i don't think the macbook pros will go 14"/16" they will stay 13" and 15"

 

[gernot.kogler]

Yea baby
but serious, i don't think the macbook pros will go 14"/16" they will stay 13" and 15"

My guess: The bezels get smaller and the screens get 1" larger. The new Macbook is actually smaller the 11" Air. The Macbook lineup goes from 11" / 13" / 15" to 12" / 14" / 16". Would make sense to me.

 

[Serban]

They will prefer to keep the 15" screen but make it more compact

 

[Serban]

but the bezels from the macbooks are ok (exept mba) bec i can open/close lid without touching the screen

 

[kazmac]

I'll definitely keep my eye on future generations for portable use and eventually as my main computer. I definitely have to see where my glasses prescription goes (and if I have as much success reading on this as I did the 15" rMBP.)

I like the idea of the rMB. I understand it is where Apple is going and it will probably be all I need (not yet, but probably in the next year or two.) It's great to hear folks have gotten great use from their rMBs and it's a beautiful machine.

I will retest the retina screens when I am ready to jump (just worried if I go to an Apple store now, I'll buy one and right now I do not need one.)