So is the 16" MacBook Pro coming or was it just a myth?

[PestoBalsamic]

The Mac Pro is supposed to ship before the end of this year too. It hasn't.

When it comes to non-holiday products, Apple is not keeping to anyone's timeline except their own.

mac 10.15.1 includes support for both Mac Pro and the new 16" MBP. So it makes the release look imminent, but it could be anytime between now and April and it wouldn't matter.
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Why not? They can easily say “We’ve designed an even better keyboard than our last one and you’re going to love it!” They do that stuff all the time.

No, they don't.

They don't make failure keyboards and keep pretending for 3 years and 4 iterations that its not a failure only to finally acknowledge it and replace it entirely...all the time.

Like most things people like to label as "all the time"...this a unique situation, that will be handled uniquely.

 

[Dydegu]

Kuo most recently said 2020. No rumour has pointed to a November/December launch

This is incorrect, unless you have a source.

Kuo's 2020 rumor was for "a new Macbook with a scissor switch keyboard." Which could mean an Air, or another Pro.

Kuo Says New MacBook With Scissor Keyboard to Launch in Mid 2020, Unclear if 16-Inch Model Delayed

Apple plans to introduce a new MacBook model with a scissor switch keyboard in the late second quarter or early third quarter of 2020, according to...

www.macrumors.com

No rumour has pointed to a Nov / December launch?

Apple Expected to Adopt Keyboard With Scissor Mechanism for Upcoming 16-inch MacBook Pro

Apple is planning to use a scissor mechanism rather than a butterfly mechanism for its upcoming 16-inch MacBook Pro, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said...

www.macrumors.com

Apple Said to Receive 16-Inch MacBook Pro Shipments This Quarter, Launch Timing Remains Unclear

While it is unclear if the widely rumored 16-inch MacBook Pro will launch in 2019 or 2020, the latest report from DigiTimes claims that Apple will...

www.macrumors.com

16-Inch MacBook Pro Touch Bar Layout Confirmed in Image Found in macOS Catalina 10.15.1

We've been hearing rumors about the 16-inch MacBook Pro for months now, and saw possible reference images of the device in the macOS Catalina...

www.macrumors.com

TrendForce: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Will Hit Shelves This Fall

Apple's rumored 16-inch MacBook Pro will be released in the third quarter, aka early fall, according to Taiwanese research firm TrendForce. An...

www.macrumors.com

There isnt any record that Apple announces a whole new MBP without a special event. So I highly doubt that since they are making 5th gen MBP.

This isn't a whole new MBP. It's not a form factor redesign. There won't be any new ports. It's a minor revision; like the Airpods 2, or when they make iPad bezels smaller. A press release is entirely reasonable.

 

[satchmo]

This isn't a whole new MBP. It's not a form factor redesign. There won't be any new ports. It's a minor revision; like the Airpods 2, or when they make iPad bezels smaller. A press release is entirely reasonable.

I hope you're wrong.
Given the latest MPB's was essentially a minor revision, I'm hoping the rumoured 16" (and hopefully an accompanying 14" model) MBP is an entirely new product on a different chassis (needed to accomodate new GPUs and scissors keyboard).
I'm also hoping it picks up on the visual language of the iPad Pro. Less curvy and more flat with square edged and rounded bezel corners.

 

[Dydegu]

I hope you're wrong.
Given the latest MPB's was essentially a minor revision, I'm hoping the rumoured 16" (and hopefully an accompanying 14" model) MBP is an entirely new product on a different chassis (needed to accomodate new GPUs and scissors keyboard).
I'm also hoping it picks up on the visual language of the iPad Pro. Less curvy and more flat with square edged and rounded bezel corners.

Which latest MBP was a minor revision? The 2016 model was an entirely new machine. Each revision between then and now has just been a spec bump and a minor keyboard revision.

Technically the cycle of the MBP redesign is every four years, which means Fall of 2020. But I fear that even a "redesign" would still look similar to the current form factor. There's not much more they can do in terms of radical innovations.

 

[DanMan619]

Which latest MBP was a minor revision? The 2016 model was an entirely new machine. Each revision between then and now has just been a spec bump and a minor keyboard revision.

Technically the cycle of the MBP redesign is every four years, which means Fall of 2020. But I fear that even a "redesign" would still look similar to the current form factor. There's not much more they can do in terms of radical innovations.

Yeah, redesigns and big changes are getting more iterative because at a certain point. Until a big technological breakthrough like the mass production of MiniLED displays or the mass production of a new battery technology. There's just not that much more refined a product like the Macbook Pro can get at a certain point (and i think we've been at that point for a little while now). Doing another big redesign could end up being change just for the sake of change, a wasted lateral move rather than actually a change that moves the product line forward. So until those things that actually warrant a big redesign become available, more smaller iterations is what we'll keep getting. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

 

[skaertus]

I thought it was supposed to be here by now...

Well, I would not say a myth. But perhaps we were all expecting it to be released at the end of the year, and Apple will only unveil it next year. If you look at Apple's website, the current MacBook Pro is still labeled as a "new" product.

 

[The Mercurian]

Well, I would not say a myth. But perhaps we were all expecting it to be released at the end of the year, and Apple will only unveil it next year. If you look at Apple's website, the current MacBook Pro is still labeled as a "new" product.

They are permanently “new” these days - this means nothing

 

[caro1302]

Well, I would not say a myth. But perhaps we were all expecting it to be released at the end of the year, and Apple will only unveil it next year. If you look at Apple's website, the current MacBook Pro is still labeled as a "new" product.

If you go in the buy section of the Mac, you can see that only the latest 13 is marked as new and not the 15.

 

[NJRonbo]

There is going to be a product announcement this week.

I say that because Apple is touting a surprise hardware event for this week's software summit.

Most likely, the Mac Pro will be officially released.

However, it is also nearly as likely so will the 16" MBP IF THE RUMORS ABOUT THE DELAY ARE FALSE.

Now, if it does not release in the next 2 days, I would surrender to those that have been saying 2020.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

There is going to be a product announcement this week.

I say that because Apple is touting a surprise hardware event for this week's software summit.

Most likely, the Mac Pro will be officially released.

However, it is also nearly as likely so will the 16" MBP IF THE RUMORS ABOUT THE DELAY ARE FALSE.

Now, if it does not release in the next 2 days, I would surrender to those that have been saying 2020.

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Black Friday is approaching.... If I find a 15" 2018/2019 at 1800 Euros or something I'm gonna pull the trigger.. These Apple dudes better get their **** together

 

[scubachap]

These Apple dudes better get their **** together

I agree. I understand that their future is in services etc but this ongoing inability to multi-task in a company awash with money is getting really odd. I've wondered if a lot is going on behind the scenes (Ive going etc) in the industrial design side. Perhaps all the keyboard issues brought things to a head. I mean the Mac Pro - first announced two years ago and has had its own page on the website with no buy button for what - 6 months? If neither come this year then goodness knows what it says about them or our futures on the platform...

 

[MrGunnyPT]

I agree. I understand that their future is in services etc but this ongoing inability to multi-task in a company awash with money is getting really odd. I've wondered if a lot is going on behind the scenes (Ive going etc) in the industrial design side. Perhaps all the keyboard issues brought things to a head. I mean the Mac Pro - first announced two years ago and has had its own page on the website with no buy button for what - 6 months? If neither come this year then goodness knows what it says about them or our futures on the platform...

I could fully move to Windows if I want. Thing is very few Windows laptop feature 3/4 TB3 ports.

Also at this point I'm waiting for the FPXCP event to unveil a new Macbook refresh or something.

 

[DanMan619]

I agree. I understand that their future is in services etc but this ongoing inability to multi-task in a company awash with money is getting really odd. I've wondered if a lot is going on behind the scenes (Ive going etc) in the industrial design side. Perhaps all the keyboard issues brought things to a head. I mean the Mac Pro - first announced two years ago and has had its own page on the website with no buy button for what - 6 months? If neither come this year then goodness knows what it says about them or our futures on the platform...

I don't think it's an inability to multitask, i think they're just struggling with the external factors at play and how that impacts their plans. I don't think there will be an issue with releasing the Mac Pro. Both the last Mac Pro and iMac Pro both released in December. The 2019 Mac Pro was said to release in fall and the last day of fall is December 21st this year. So i think they're just going to do that last week of fall release again. Business as usual on that end. I think whatever's going on with the Macbook Pro though, i agree maybe there's some turmoil going on behind the scenes. The keyboard stuff, maybe Ive, but also Apple being frustrated with Intel's chip delays and figuring out when to pull the trigger on launching ARM based Macs and how to start that transition from Intel to ARM smoothly for them, developers and users. They're also trying to figure out the Micro/Mini LED screen stuff for who knows how soon of a launch. I think it's a very turbulent time for the internal development on the notebook lineup.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

I don't think it's an inability to multitask, i think they're just struggling with the external factors at play and how that impacts their plans. I don't think there will be an issue with releasing the Mac Pro. Both the last Mac Pro and iMac Pro both released in December. The 2019 Mac Pro was said to release in fall and the last day of fall is December 20th. So i think they're just going to do that again. I think whatever's going on with the Macbook Pro though, i agree maybe there's some turmoil going on behind the scenes. The keyboard stuff, maybe Ive, but Apple being frustrated with Intel's chip delays and figuring out when to pull the trigger on launching ARM based Macs and how to start that transition from Intel to ARM smoothly. They're also trying to figure out the Micro/Mini LED screen stuff for who knows how soon of a launch. I think it's a very turbulent time for the internal development on the notebook lineup.

ARM transition can only happen to folk who do not rely on x86 apps which is not my case.

I do believe a Hybrid future is possible as in a Intel CPU paired with a A14X or something.

 

[DanMan619]

ARM transition can only happen to folk who do not rely on x86 apps which is not my case.

I do believe a Hybrid future is possible as in a Intel CPU paired with a A14X or something.

Yeah they're definitely going to have to figure out some kind of solution for the awkward transition phase where not all apps support running on ARM yet. I'm very curious to see how they handle it.

 

[The Mercurian]

ARM transition can only happen to folk who do not rely on x86 apps which is not my case.

I do believe a Hybrid future is possible as in a Intel CPU paired with a A14X or something.

I don't want to pay for that. Just stick with the x86 - AMD preferably going forward I think.

 

[MrGunnyPT]

I don't want to pay for that. Just stick with the x86 - AMD preferably going forward I think.

I would really love for a Zen 2 option moving forward....

 

[scubachap]

I don't think it's an inability to multitask, i think they're just struggling with the external factors at play and how that impacts their plans. I don't think there will be an issue with releasing the Mac Pro. Both the last Mac Pro and iMac Pro both released in December. The 2019 Mac Pro was said to release in fall and the last day of fall is December 21st this year. So i think they're just going to do that last week of fall release again. Business as usual on that end. I think whatever's going on with the Macbook Pro though, i agree maybe there's some turmoil going on behind the scenes. The keyboard stuff, maybe Ive, but also Apple being frustrated with Intel's chip delays and figuring out when to pull the trigger on launching ARM based Macs and how to start that transition from Intel to ARM smoothly for them, developers and users. They're also trying to figure out the Micro/Mini LED screen stuff for who knows how soon of a launch. I think it's a very turbulent time for the internal development on the notebook lineup.

Fair comment. Mind you - I'm not convinced though that it's been business as usual from a (graphics) pro users point of view since the introduction of the trash can in 2013, but as they say YMMV.

 

[groove-agent]

It's funny how people quote rumour articles as factual evidence.

 

[SweWriter]

The amount of rumors is really not doing people any good. You are hyping yourself up for something, making it impossible not to purchase it once it arrives. Just wait and see. Perhaps it will be good, perhaps it will be another experimental and hyper-sucky keyboard.

 

[NJRonbo]

The amount of rumors is really not doing people any good. You are hyping yourself up for something, making it impossible not to purchase it once it arrives. Just wait and see. Perhaps it will be good, perhaps it will be another experimental and hyper-sucky keyboard.

The MacBook is a disaster. Can Apple fix it?

You'd have to be nuts to buy a MacBook today. The keyboard don't work, you can't upgrade them, and even macOS is getting worse. What can Apple do to fix it?

www.cultofmac.com

 

[miroki]

There is going to be a product announcement this week.

I say that because Apple is touting a surprise hardware event for this week's software summit.

Most likely, the Mac Pro will be officially released.

However, it is also nearly as likely so will the 16" MBP IF THE RUMORS ABOUT THE DELAY ARE FALSE.

Now, if it does not release in the next 2 days, I would surrender to those that have been saying 2020.

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I guess this is because Macbook Pro 15 came out two months before Macbook Pro 13.

 

[skaertus]

The amount of rumors is really not doing people any good. You are hyping yourself up for something, making it impossible not to purchase it once it arrives. Just wait and see. Perhaps it will be good, perhaps it will be another experimental and hyper-sucky keyboard.

Totally true. You keep yourself anxious expecting something you do not really need. And after it is released, you will end up buying it, no matter what, which would allow Apple to charge any price for it regardless of its features.
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The MacBook is a disaster. Can Apple fix it?

You'd have to be nuts to buy a MacBook today. The keyboard don't work, you can't upgrade them, and even macOS is getting worse. What can Apple do to fix it?

www.cultofmac.com

A little bit of exaggeration here. MacBooks are far from being a disaster, even though they may have displeased some users lately.

 

[maflynn]

You are hyping yourself up

Indeed, people where frothing at the mouth the past couple of weeks, and if I learned anything buying Macs, its that reality hardly ever meets expectations. People almost always are disappointed with the actual product when its announced when the level of hype/expectation is at a fever pitch level.

 

[NJRonbo]

Well, we know for sure that an announcement is probably dropping today -- at the latest, tomorrow.

The bad news is that it's for the Mac Pro.

The potential good news is that it may also be for the MBP

Stay tuned around NOON - 1PM EST