So what would happen to the average iPhone user who upgraded to the Galaxy S8/+

[I7guy]

Are we talking about phone or what? Try putting your sp4 in your pocket Why stop there. Why not bring along your macbook as well.

Your "ability to answer call" from any device is inaccurate. Should be from ONLY apple devices. With Samsung Flow or Air Droid, you can really do that from ANY device. Since you are already carrying stuff along, doesn't hurt to carry the apple TV with you as well to do mirroring.

S8 can do all above by itself without lugging along any other devices. Much cheaper too.

I am discussing getting things done, quickly, easily, rapidly with maximum efficiency. What are you discussing? Bending around your phones inherently limited architecture? Oh, yeah I can answer a call from any device anywhere gave been able to for a while.

Try tackling a major client issue that requires a real computer with your s8. I do bring along my MacBook always with me. Oh, and I can answer a call on that also.

I've played around with the s8 and Imo the "average" iPhone user will stay with Apple.

 

[mib1800]

I am discussing getting things done, quickly, easily, rapidly with maximum efficiency. What are you discussing? Bending around your phones inherently limited architecture? Oh, yeah I can answer a call from any device anywhere gave been able to for a while.

Try tackling a major client issue that requires a real computer with your s8. I do bring along my MacBook always with me. Oh, and I can answer a call on that also.

I've played around with the s8 and Imo the "average" iPhone user will stay with Apple.

Not sure where you are going with this.

Nobody is under the illusion that you can use your phone to do everything. We have our window PC to run work related desktop apps or other intensive type of apps.

For the rest, if you opted for a S8 you MAY be able to do all those tasks just using only the s8 as a all-in-one device.

However, if you opted for an iphone then you also need to add on a sp4 as well as an Apple TV to do the same thing as one s8 (is that what you are trying say? or not? )

 

[I7guy]

Not sure where you are going with this.

Nobody is under the illusion that you can use your phone to do everything. We have our window PC to run work related desktop apps or other intensive type of apps.

For the rest, if you opted for a S8 you MAY be able to do all those tasks just using only the s8 as a all-in-one device.

However, if you opted for an iphone then you also need to add on a sp4 as well as an Apple TV to do the same thing as one s8 (is that what you are trying say? or not? )

I'm not sure where you are going either. You pick use cases not many people care about, the best you have is ssh and ip cams; neither of which is an issue on iOS.

Mobile devices have significant limitations in their daily use, else people wouldn't need laptops, tablets, desktops and supercomputers. This is not one device replaces many is entire point. In 2017 most people have an auxiliary or main device in addition to their mobile phone. But I think I'm saying if you have an s8 you need to add another device. After all how can you play around with a file system without another computer?

 

[KnightMagic]

iPhones are really good, Samsung flagship phones are really good too.


What would happen to the average iPhone user who upgraded to the S8?

I think they would enjoy the phone for the most part. They would find a few useful features that they didn't have in iOS along with some 'missing' features they don't have on the Samsung like iMessage. They would probably keep the phone for two years and then take a look at what is available from Apple and Samsung then.

Simple

 

[mib1800]

I'm not sure where you are going either. You pick use cases not many people care about, the best you have is ssh and ip cams; neither of which is an issue on iOS.

Mobile devices have significant limitations in their daily use, else people wouldn't need laptops, tablets, desktops and supercomputers. This is not one device replaces many is entire point. In 2017 most people have an auxiliary or main device in addition to their mobile phone. But I think I'm saying if you have an s8 you need to add another device. After all how can you play around with a file system without another computer?

All I am saying is that there are certain common tasks/scenarios which can be done much easier with S8/android. For iphone to able to do the same, you need complicated workarounds and/or other connected devices/networks to be around. It is NOT that S8/android implemented extra functionalities to make those tasks/scenarios easier than iphone. In fact functionalities that go with usb, file-system, open system/protocols are standards capabilities which we expect since we have been using them for a long time. It is just that Apple see fit to remove all these "standard functionalities", not for users benefit but for entirely Apple benefit so that you can be locked in.

 

[I7guy]

All I am saying is that there are certain common tasks/scenarios which can done be much easier with S8/android. For iphone to able to do the same, you need complicated workarounds and/or other connected devices/networks to be around. It is NOT that S8/android implemented extra functionalities to make those tasks/scenarios easier than iphone. In fact functionalities that go with usb, file-system, open system/protocols are expected since we been using them for long time. It is just that Apple see fit to remove all these "standard functionalities", not for users benefit but for entirely Apple benefit so that you can be locked in.

And there are certain common tasks that can be done easier with IOS and things that are easier in ios in general. Things that make my digital existence easier. So here we are with a list subjective list of "tasks" and basing an opinion on these "subjective" items. There is nothing wrong with that, but we have different ways of using our devices and have differing opinions of what constitutes our "use cases". One persons locked in is another persons freedom with their devices. You are in the same boat with google services.

 

[mib1800]

And there are certain common tasks that can be done easier with IOS and things that are easier in ios in general. Things that make my digital existence easier. So here we are with a list subjective list of "tasks" and basing an opinion on these "subjective" items. There is nothing wrong with that, but we have different ways of using our devices and have differing opinions of what constitutes our "use cases". One persons locked in is another persons freedom with their devices. You are in the same boat with google services.

What are the things easier you said?

Continuity? - it is there in S8 as well (but without needing proprietary hardware)
IMessage/FT? - Whatsapp/Messenger/WeChat - all platform independent
ICloud? - google does the same

What else?

Nothing is really easy with Iphone/ios unless you live in a wholly Apple (connected) environment only. I give you that if you said you are basing your arguments on this factor alone (but still I have to qualify it that certain tasks are still easier/simpler wth S8 period ).

And where in the real world (except maybe the US) that your entire circle of family/friends are within Apple environment? So how Iphone is blah blah better than others is only applicable to maybe 15% of all the smartphone users in the real world.

Of course the above (and what we debated this far) doesnt really matter much when it comes to actual sales. Those who bought iphone in China many of them probably bought it for the show-off factor (design/apple name). Before many brands tried to copy Apple because of design. But now Apple design is no longer trendy...maybe that's why sales in China is plummeting. Nobody wants to pay 3x more for a stale design and specs.

Those who bought in US probably bought it because it is "just" $50-100 more (on contract) than other similar phones. I think Apple will survive in US based on this "cheap upfront but with hidden cost" contract price.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

All I am saying is that there are certain common tasks/scenarios which can be done much easier with S8/android. For iphone to able to do the same, you need complicated workarounds and/or other connected devices/networks to be around. It is NOT that S8/android implemented extra functionalities to make those tasks/scenarios easier than iphone. In fact functionalities that go with usb, file-system, open system/protocols are standards capabilities which we expect since we have been using them for a long time. It is just that Apple see fit to remove all these "standard functionalities", not for users benefit but for entirely Apple benefit so that you can be locked in.

I don't need an open file system on my mobile phone? I have a PC for that and have no problems managing photos and emails on an iPhone.

A good thing about iMessage is you can share photos and videos within group chats and they are not compressed like in whatsapp. I use both but iMessage is a superior messaging platform. Does android have an equivalent?

 

[Radon87000]

Wins on other functionality such as Live Photos

Galaxy S8 camera does have GIFs

and 3dt.

No one cares about it. I only use it on the keyboard and again its not as noteworthy as the display which is the star of the show on the S8

And the s8 already lost to the i7 on speed test.

No it was actually winning against the iPhone 7 until the gaming section began. And thats the weaker SD835 variant

To bad for android then, which is why iPhone will keep the edge.

Right click menu is already there on Android

My iPhone and MacBook Air are superior to anything android has to offer and windows when I need it.

My Android can replicate notifications on both Mac and Windows. Can the iPhone?

Don't need it don't use it. FaceTime is all I need.

Wouldnt need it either but everyone not using an iPhone has it which is a lot

Huh? What?

If iOS really had a "Real" 5 year support, no one would spend equivalent money on Android

Not true, at all. iOS 10 has hundred of differences and improvements from iOS 9, including performance enhancements.

Just visited Apple's website on whats new in iOS 10 and what I found was:

1)iMessage improved
2)Raise to wake
3)Contextual typing
4)Split tabbed browsing for Safari
5)Improved Siri

Android can update 1,3,4,5 through the Play Store without a software update.

 

[mib1800]

I don't need an open file system on my mobile phone? I have a PC for that and have no problems managing photos and emails on an iPhone.

A good thing about iMessage is you can share photos and videos within group chats and they are not compressed like in whatsapp. I use both but iMessage is a superior messaging platform. Does android have an equivalent?

Sounded a like deja-vu.. "who needs big screen, small ones fit in hand", "who needs OLED, LCD is better", "who needs folder, grid of icons is better"...you get my drift

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Sounded a like deja-vu.. "who needs big screen, small ones fit in hand", "who needs OLED, LCD is better", "who needs folder, grid of icons is better"...you get my drift

I'm not opposed to new features apart from bigger phones which I hate. Nothing deja-vu about my point of view. Wrong choice of words..

 

[Gathomblipoob]

I'm not opposed to new features apart from bigger phones which I hate. Nothing deja-vu about my point of view. Wrong choice of words..

"Deja vu" wouldn't be the correct term, anyway.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/deja-vu?s=t

 

[mib1800]

I'm not opposed to new features apart from bigger phones which I hate. Nothing deja-vu about my point of view. Wrong choice of words..

Not talking about you specifically. And yes, Apple did actually went and implement those things...so maybe no longer deja vu but "eat one's own words".

 

[Radon87000]

Not talking about you specifically. And yes, Apple did actually went and implement those things...so maybe no longer deja vu but "eat one's own words".

Some Apple users love to talk down OLED as if it's worse than LCD and yet once Apple releases it it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Wonder what the excuses will be once Apple's OLED will also show some burn in somewhere in the wild

 

[mib1800]

Some Apple users love to talk down OLED as if it's worse than LCD and yet once Apple releases it it will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Wonder what the excuses will be once Apple's OLED will also show some burn in somewhere in the wild

Yep agreed. Don't really understand the underlying inferiority complex. When something is obviously better just say it is. Instead they dig in and defend to the death by giving all sorts of (unrealistic) reasons. Happened with oled/ usb-otg / file-system / big screen / folder / notification light/ nfc/wireless charging/ram/multi-tasking/split screen/sd-card/face or iris - everything iphone was/is lagging. Of course once Apple implements them then it is all hunky-dory. Maybe merriam-webster is right on the spot with the description for their "new word".

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Not talking about you specifically. And yes, Apple did actually went and implement those things...so maybe no longer deja vu but "eat one's own words".

If Apple implement features from other places then it's users only win anyway.

I don't treat something like this as a competition, nor do I have any loyalty to these huge companies. I buy the phone I like using the best and right now it's the iPhone, and an older model at that. I hate the size of the Plus and I felt the iPhone 7 was a lame release not worthy of an upgrade for me. I don't care about having the best screen either, I like the continuity between my phone, tablet and watch.

I don't know why you guys argue so fiercely over which phone is better? Everybody has different tastes and needs, it's not going to be relevant to everybody.

 

[Gathomblipoob]

I don't know why you guys argue so fiercely over which phone is better?

Lastworditis.

 

[I7guy]

What are the things easier you said?

Continuity? - it is there in S8 as well (but without needing proprietary hardware)
IMessage/FT? - Whatsapp/Messenger/WeChat - all platform independent
ICloud? - google does the same

What else?

Nothing is really easy with Iphone/ios unless you live in a wholly Apple (connected) environment only. I give you that if you said you are basing your arguments on this factor alone (but still I have to qualify it that certain tasks are still easier/simpler wth S8 period ).

And where in the real world (except maybe the US) that your entire circle of family/friends are within Apple environment? So how Iphone is blah blah better than others is only applicable to maybe 15% of all the smartphone users in the real world.

Of course the above (and what we debated this far) doesnt really matter much when it comes to actual sales. Those who bought iphone in China many of them probably bought it for the show-off factor (design/apple name). Before many brands tried to copy Apple because of design. But now Apple design is no longer trendy...maybe that's why sales in China is plummeting. Nobody wants to pay 3x more for a stale design and specs.

Those who bought in US probably bought it because it is "just" $50-100 more (on contract) than other similar phones. I think Apple will survive in US based on this "cheap upfront but with hidden cost" contract price.

Apple seems to be doing more than surviving. And Samsung has to watch it's back from the competitors. Apple is differentiated enough, but you can get an android headseat for 50% of the price of an s8 with 95% of the functionality.

What else about android? ssh, ip cam, file system. Same arguments from the other side and yada, yada, yada.

Galaxy S8 camera does have GIFs

But not live photos.

No one cares about it. I only use it on the keyboard and again its not as noteworthy as the display which is the star of the show on the S8

Let's be clear, YOU don't care about it. "No one" is hyperbole and 3dt is one of the many advantages.

No it was actually winning against the iPhone 7 until the gaming section began. And thats the weaker SD835 variant

The variant that even isn't sold in the US. Not to worry the A11 will take that title back. In the meantime the iphone 7 is the reigning speed king overall.

Right click menu is already there on Android

Righty, inefficient long press.

My Android can replicate notifications on both Mac and Windows. Can the iPhone?

No, but I can take and receive calls, imessages and facetime from anywhere on any idevice without a google account and additional apps.

Wouldnt need it either but everyone not using an iPhone has it which is a lot

Don't have to futz with third party software and get everyone to agree to use something. It's just there.

If iOS really had a "Real" 5 year support, no one would spend equivalent money on Android

That's fallacious logic.

Just visited Apple's website on whats new in iOS 10 and what I found was:

1)iMessage improved
2)Raise to wake
3)Contextual typing
4)Split tabbed browsing for Safari
5)Improved Siri

Android can update 1,3,4,5 through the Play Store without a software update.

Like samsungs website says the only thing new about the s8 is the screen.
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Yep agreed. Don't really understand the underlying inferiority complex. When something is obviously better just say it is. Instead they dig in and defend to the death by giving all sorts of (unrealistic) reasons. Happened with oled/ usb-otg / file-system / big screen / folder / notification light/ nfc/wireless charging/ram/multi-tasking/split screen/sd-card/face or iris - everything iphone was/is lagging. Of course once Apple implements them then it is all hunky-dory. Maybe merriam-webster is right on the spot with the description for their "new word".

Bunch of nonsense. When something is better just say it and don't defend something so subjective to death. Or just stop the tit-for-tat. Reminds me of a book entitled: "Do as I say, but not as I do". Once Android gets certain apple features for standard, I'm sure they'll be cheering from the rooftops.

 

[KnightMagic]

My subjective personal preferences are better than your subjective personal preferences.

 

[Radon87000]

Apple seems to be doing more than surviving. And Samsung has to watch it's back from the competitors. Apple is differentiated enough, but you can get an android headseat for 50% of the price of an s8 with 95% of the functionality.

Is that why all Android manufacturers are down in the dumps besides Samsung. A nd Apple is not doffrentiated enough as iPhone sales suffered a slight decline past quarter

But not live photos.

Its a fancy name given to GIFs. Nothing new by the way. My Lumia 710 had Nokia Cinemagraph in 2011 which was doing the same thing

Let's be clear, YOU don't care about it. "No one" is hyperbole and 3dt is one of the many advantages.

If it was a feature customers wanted, Android would have copied them

The variant that even isn't sold in the US

Wrong.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod..._sm_g955_64gb_gld_galaxy_s8_sm_g955_64gb.html

Not to worry the A11 will take that title back.

The Note 8 will be faster than the S8 and if the iphone 8 is delayed it has to face the S9

In the meantime the iphone 7 is the reigning speed king overall.

Only in loading games

Righty, inefficient long press.

The same thing except unlike iOS supported by older handsets. A $150 Moto G has right click while my iPhone 6 does not

No, but I can take and receive calls, imessages and facetime from anywhere on any idevice without a google account and additional apps.

And I dont have to setup any account to mirror my notifications and my microsoft account on desktop works seamlessly with both Android and Windows as regards Skype and Outlook and best of all they work not only on any idevice but ALL OF them.

Don't have to futz with third party software and get everyone to agree to use something. It's just there.

Does the whole world use an iPhone?

That's fallacious logic.

So you have no counter? Why would someone spend over 800 on a Pixel over an iPhone 7 when the EOL of Pixel is Oct 2018

Like samsungs website says the only thing new about the s8 is the screen.

So you deflected to hardware. Okay but even if its just the screen thats a HUGE difference because its the primary thing you interact with on a phone. Remove the curved edge bezelless OLED from the iPhone 8 and you are left with another "S" upgrade

Once Android gets certain apple features for standard, I'm sure they'll be cheering from the rooftops.

Rooted Android has every possible idea Apple could ever think off integrated into the OS just like jailbreaks

 

[KnightMagic]

Is that why all Android manufacturers are down in the dumps besides Samsung.

In the interest of fact checking in an otherwise highly subjective thread: "Huawei Consumer Business Group (CBG) became the third largest smartphone manufacturer by market share, commanding 10% of the total global market."

Source: One, Two

 

[mib1800]

Bunch of nonsense. When something is better just say it and don't defend something so subjective to death. Or just stop the tit-for-tat. Reminds me of a book entitled: "Do as I say, but not as I do". Once Android gets certain apple features for standard, I'm sure they'll be cheering from the rooftops.

Nah..A10/A11 chip benchmark win is not real, very subjective - because in actual daily use it is behind.

Nah.. iPhone 2 camera setup is not better because subjectively you can get the same result using one camera with selective focus.

Nah..3dt is a gimmick as it doesn't do anything more than long press... subjectively.

Nah...you don't need continuity if you have a power device like s8 which can do everything by itself... subjectively

Nah...live photo is so yesteryear subjectively... video in video recording is better... subjectively


And what certain iPhone features would Android fans would be singing about? OLED screen?, wireless charging?...oops they already have those eons ago.

 

[I7guy]

Is that why all Android manufacturers are down in the dumps besides Samsung. A nd Apple is not doffrentiated enough as iPhone sales suffered a slight decline past quarter

Is that why Mac sales were up and surface sales down 20%.

Its a fancy name given to GIFs. Nothing new by the way. My Lumia 710 had Nokia Cinemagraph in 2011 which was doing the same thing

Does it do it today? Who carries features through in flagships? Who drops features than adds features?

If it was a feature customers wanted, Android would have copied them

Or said another way, android can't figure out how to implement it.

The Note 8 will be faster than the S8 and if the iphone 8 is delayed it has to face the S9

Apple has no competition with its custom docs.

Only in loading games

No, overall.

The same thing except unlike iOS supported by older handsets. A $150 Moto G has right click while my iPhone 6 does not

My 5s has long press, funny your 6 doesn't.

And I dont have to setup any account to mirror my notifications and my microsoft account on desktop works seamlessly with both Android and Windows as regards Skype and Outlook and best of all they work not only on any idevice but ALL OF them.

Wrong, you need an account somewhere. I don't have to install third party software to do all that I mentioned previously.

Does the whole world use an iPhone?

Ditto for android.

So you have no counter? Why would someone spend over 800 on a Pixel over an iPhone 7 when the EOL of Pixel is Oct 2018

There is no counter to fallacious logic.

So you deflected to hardware. Okay but even if its just the screen thats a HUGE difference because its the primary thing you interact with on a phone. Remove the curved edge bezelless OLED from the iPhone 8 and you are left with another "S" upgrade

You've been deflecting left, right and center, because generally speaking imo, android users are about specs.

Rooted Android has every possible idea Apple could ever think off integrated into the OS just like jailbreaks

Rooting has bad implications.

Nah..A10/A11 chip benchmark win is not real, very subjective - because in actual daily use it is behind.

Nah.. iPhone 2 camera setup is not better because subjectively you can get the same result using one camera with selective focus.

Nah..3dt is a gimmick as it doesn't do anything more than long press... subjectively.

Nah...you don't need continuity if you have a power device like s8 which can do everything by itself... subjectively

Nah...live photo is so yesteryear subjectively... video in video recording is better... subjectively


And what certain iPhone features would Android fans would be singing about? OLED screen?, wireless charging?...oops they already have those eons ago.

Subjectively, wrong on all subjective counts.

Since you haven't been able to really quantify anything in the last several posts except to say:"imo this is better than that", your points can be dismissed the same way.

 

[mib1800]

Subjectively, wrong on all subjective counts.

Since you haven't been able to really quantify anything in the last several posts except to say:"imo this is better than that", your points can be dismissed the same way.

Well, thanks, you have indirectly validated all my points to be valid... you, by dismissing everything I said as being subjective just means you have no objective counter arguments...thus the conclusion.

The above is the last I want to say on this.

p.s. I am sure you definitely want to have your last words. Please knock yourself out.

 

[I7guy]

Well, thanks, you have indirectly validated all my points to be valid... you, by dismissing everything I said as being subjective just means you have no objective counter arguments...thus the conclusion.

The above is the last I want to say on this.

p.s. I am sure you definitely want to have your last words. Please knock yourself out.

These "discussions" never lead to changing anybody's mind. When the level of the discussion is my ssh is better than your ssh it's like my dad can beat up your dad. Not even hearing what the other person has to say. What phone is better and for what purpose is totally subjective.

I was wrong on one thing though; I thought you wanted to have the last word.