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Oh wow...I have a Late '11 MBP I'm typing on right now. This is a bit concerning, considering my Applecare runs thru this November. Only problem I've had with the comp was a dead HD on arrival from factory. Otherwise it's been a beast. I take much care of it, tho, using a fan mat on my lap and actually putting cups of ice under it on my desk when I'm doing music production or photoshopping. It seems ghetto (as my friends have said, haha) but MAN does it work - that heat gets dissipated FAST. I suppose keeping it in semi-optimal temperatures would hinder these symptoms from creeping up.
 
planned obsolescence ?

interesting, this happened to me the other day :

http://youtu.be/Ml0cVI9pi1g

i'm on a 17inch early 2011 MBP, no problems pre mavericks. ever since i upgraded i get visual glitches like the one in the youtube video and random reboots/shut downs.
reinstalling osx did nothing to fix this.

is this planned obsolescence at work ? i am not under warranty/apple care anymore and i'm pissed !
 
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is this planned obsolescence at work ? i am not under warranty/apple care anymore and i'm pissed !

And the worst thing that we (at leats many of them - not necessarily all) 17" users aren't really have a choice when it comes to current Apple rMBP's (read: no 17" models any more)...
 
And the worst thing that we (at leats many of them - not necessarily all) 17" users aren't really have a choice when it comes to current Apple rMBP's (read: no 17" models any more)...

..not only that, i absolutely HATE glossy displays. so unless they bring out a new 17inch WITH antiglare display option they won't be getting any more business from me. plus, whats even the point in buying another one if the thing stops working properly after only 2-3 years like the mbp i have now.
 
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interesting, this happened to me the other day :

http://youtu.be/Ml0cVI9pi1g

i'm on a 17inch early 2011 MBP, no problems pre mavericks. ever since i upgraded i get visual glitches like the one in the youtube video and random reboots/shut downs.
reinstalling osx did nothing to fix this.

is this planned obsolescence at work ? i am not under warranty/apple care anymore and i'm pissed !

Oh please, gimme a break ! Stop speaking nonsense about "planned obsolescence" .... There is nothing "planned" here, just defective components failing over the time.
It's not mavericks the culprit, is the time ...

What planned obsolescence !? As if pissing off customers who paid 3000$ for a MacBook after 2 years is a good marketing move, right ?

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My Windows based PCs tend to outlast Apple ones.

Yes, yes, sure. Windows based PCs are notorious for being high quality computers :rolleyes: ...... in Balmer's dream maybe.
 
I've had this issue since 2011 and I thought it was just me. I upgraded my ram to 8gb and thought I messed it up. Then I thought it was gfxcardstatus. Took if into apple with my apple care and told me it was gfx. Still had the problem, then took it in again in November and had the logic board replaced. Took it in again and they replaced it again, along with the display and ram (still have 8gb). Haven't had the issue yet, but wouldn't be surprised if I did, looking forward to getting it replaced with a retina on their dime. Boy have they waisted my time!
 

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I doubt this correlates since it's likely a graphics card/logic board issue and not a display issue; but I noticed that all the pictures in the article show glossy 2011 MBPs. I have a matte screen and have not noticed any issues so far with my early-2011 AMD 6750M with 1 GB of RAM. Fingers crossed.

Are there any folks out there with 2011 MBPs with matte displays that have had this problem?

Unfortunately… yes. Early 2011 15 inch MBP, matte display, 2.3GHz, 8GB RAM, AMD 6750M with 1GB VRAM, 750GB HD. Cost: € 2749. Worked like a charm for about 2.5 years. Then, at the mid-end of November, started the issues: screen with horizontal thin lines, color glitches, sudden black screens with the need to reboot, screen split in two parts by a vertical wide black line with the right part of the screen in the left side and vice versa, fans fast running with apparently no reason etc. Soon it became pretty unusable. In two or three days I wasn't even able to boot anymore: on pushing the power button, after the chime and the distorted apple logo nothing happened. Just a blank gray screen with the fans running noisy like a hair dryer. I then sent it to an authorized Apple repair center (no Apple Store o Genius bar here around) and they told me it was a video card issue and that the whole logic board needed a replacement since the video card is soldered to it. No AppleCare and out of warranty. So they asked me €610 to fix it. I said yes and I had my MBP with a brand new logic board (90 days warranty) on December the 4th. Worked fine until the 19th, then back again: on watching a full screen movie from the net with Safari the fans started to spin fast and after few minutes the computer switched off itself. After restarting the bad new: horizontal lines and the old problems. I phoned the repair center and they told me to wait sending the laptop due to the Christmas period and to do it at the beginning of January. And so I did. In the meantime I had to manage the lack of the laptop using my old PPC Powerbook (Titanium G4, 2003) with the left hinge still broken and with Leopard in it. Sure slow, very slow, if compared with the MBP, but at least working. It took few days for them to replace again the logic board for free. Now I'm again with my MBP. It's ten days since they gave me it back. Everything seems running fine now. But I'm really frightened whenever fans start to spin.
 
Unfortunately… yes. Early 2011 15 inch MBP, matte display, 2.3GHz, 8GB RAM, AMD 6750M with 1GB VRAM, 750GB HD. Cost: € 2749. Worked like a charm for about 2.5 years. Then, at the mid-end of November, started the issues: screen with horizontal thin lines, color glitches, sudden black screens with the need to reboot, screen split in two parts by a vertical wide black line with the right part of the screen in the left side and vice versa, fans fast running with apparently no reason etc. Soon it became pretty unusable. In two or three days I wasn't even able to boot anymore: on pushing the power button, after the chime and the distorted apple logo nothing happened. Just a blank gray screen with the fans running noisy like a hair dryer. I then sent it to an authorized Apple repair center (no Apple Store o Genius bar here around) and they told me it was a video card issue and that the whole logic board needed a replacement since the video card is soldered to it. No AppleCare and out of warranty. So they asked me €610 to fix it. I said yes and I had my MBP with a brand new logic board (90 days warranty) on December the 4th. Worked fine until the 19th, then back again: on watching a full screen movie from the net with Safari the fans started to spin fast and after few minutes the computer switched off itself. After restarting the bad new: horizontal lines and the old problems. I phoned the repair center and they told me to wait sending the laptop due to the Christmas period and to do it at the beginning of January. And so I did. In the meantime I had to manage the lack of the laptop using my old PPC Powerbook (Titanium G4, 2003) with the left hinge still broken and with Leopard in it. Sure slow, very slow, if compared with the MBP, but at least working. It took few days for them to replace again the logic board for free. Now I'm again with my MBP. It's ten days since they gave me it back. Everything seems running fine now. But I'm really frightened whenever fans start to spin.

What is very suspicious is how a defect that takes about 2.5 years to show up is returning after just a few weeks from logic board swap ? You are not the only one reporting this behavior ...

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I've had this issue since 2011 and I thought it was just me. I upgraded my ram to 8gb and thought I messed it up. Then I thought it was gfxcardstatus. Took if into apple with my apple care and told me it was gfx. Still had the problem, then took it in again in November and had the logic board replaced. Took it in again and they replaced it again, along with the display and ram (still have 8gb). Haven't had the issue yet, but wouldn't be surprised if I did, looking forward to getting it replaced with a retina on their dime. Boy have they waisted my time!

For sure it isn't gfxcardstatus. I have it installed and running on my MBP since 2011 and it works very well without any issue.
 

Also add the old IBM ThinkPads, particularly the "p" (professional), maxxed-out series with the best 3D accelerator built-in available at the time. Before going OS X (and MBP's), I exclusively used the p series (in addition to, at the time, lightweight tablets like the HP TC1100) and still have them all (some handed down in family, some in the drawer collecting dust).

ALL of them work just great even today, apart from some inherent problems due to the technology used (e.g., aging fluorescent backlights). I only have minor problems (e.g., empty CR2032's and some front plate cracking in my t42p, weak backlight in my 12-year-old a31p etc.).
 
Had this happen to me on new year's eve, only a logic board replacement solved the issue (17" early 2011 MBP with Radeon 6750 1GB). I had an extended warranty, so the repair was free of charge. Still hugely annoying - this shouldn't happen on a computer that's not even three years old.
 
It's actually mostly due to manufacturers of these GPU's. If AMD/Nvidia actually properly engineered these chips they would still be running. Nvidia/AMD both rate their GPU's to be able to run safely at 99C+ If that's the case, then these chips shouldn't be getting killed as thermal throttling is supposed to slow down and reduce power before it exceeds the thermal threshold. Theoretically, these chips should live a shorter lifespan vs. a desktop GPU water cooled down to 50C, but they still shouldn't be dying in less than 3 years of use!

In other words, Apple's poor thermal paste application will cause your laptop to throttle down more often, but shouldn't kill it like this.

Nvidia 8600GT's had this problem, Intel's Arrandale iGPU's in 2010 MBP 15/17 had this problem, Xbox 360 had this problem in RROD, and now AMD's 6750 has joined this list.

Fixing the thermal paste and making the gnu run cooler will prolong it's lifespan when it's defective like the above examples, but it doesn't cover up for the fact that these chips left their factories defective.
I'm sure that's a factor in some cases, but my experience is that with a terribly affected 08 MBP, I redid the thermal paste after Apple had three chances, and ALL of the symptoms went away.

I do hear what you're saying though, and it makes me wonder where the buck stops. One of the times I went with my wife (with her 08 NVidia MBP), she told the Apple Genius what was going on with the 'footlight' effect on the display, and he said - and I kid you not - "Well we don't make the Displays. Samsung does."

Anyway, this all just makes me want to build a Hackintosh with top quality parts.
 
What is very suspicious is how a defect that takes about 2.5 years to show up is returning after just a few weeks from logic board swap ? You are not the only one reporting this behavior ...

Yeah, I've been curious about this too. The only noteworthy thing that I can think to mention is that some (especially those who opted for the flat rate depot repair) have reported that their replacement board is used or refurbished. They say this based on the physical condition of the replacement board.

Also, these problems did start appearing early. Some threads on the Apple forums date back to 2011. Since everyone was still under warranty in 2011, perhaps a bigger problem then than one might assume from reading those threads?

For sure it isn't gfxcardstatus. I have it installed and running on my MBP since 2011 and it works very well without any issue.

Aye. This comes up quite a bit. Some are lucky enough that these symptoms come on a little more gradually than with others. Those folks have learned that they can often keep the problem at bay, at least for a while, by using gfxcardstatus to lock to the integrated chip. To my eye, most of these folks actually installed it after the onset of problems. But then someone comes along and reads only the last few pages of a year long thread and says, "Bingo! I see the common factor! Everyone here is using gfxcardstatus."
 
Mine is one affected. I jumped early when they were announced in 2011.

I have not seen it happen when using integrated graphics, but with any kind of graphics load on the discrete, it's only a matter of time before the screen goes blue. My current "solution" is to put the computer to sleep then wake it back up, which fixes the problem. But I'm sure it'll get worse and worse.

Please Apple, fix this.

Thanks,
Me

how do u figure out if it is the integrated or the discrete graphics that is working? I'm wondering
 
Did you ever use one ?
Yes, it is very robust .... and quite unusable.
Awful keyboard and touchpad .... Awful display.

Try one from 2013.

Or a 2014 one
http://panasonic.jp/pc/products/mx3s/

12.5" at 1920 x 1080 isn't that bad. It's better than the MacBook Air and standard MacBook Pro

12.1" at 1600 x 900 isn't that bad either - http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/business-rugged-laptop-toughbook-SX2.asp

ToughBooks are even better than they were in the past.
 
I've had a few slight issues regarding heat and my early 2011 13 inch MBP and now I am worried...no apple store near by but may take it to an authorized service provider to have it checked...still under Applecare.
 
I've had a few slight issues regarding heat and my early 2011 13 inch MBP and now I am worried...no apple store near by but may take it to an authorized service provider to have it checked...still under Applecare.

Yeah they put way too much thermal grease on the processors. I don't believe there's a risk of your computer going out like the ones on the original post as it doesn't have a dedicated graphics processor, but there is a risk of the cpu going out because of the heat. My 15" 's left side would be extremely hot by the time it turned on, almost burned my thigh.
 
Unfortunately… yes. Early 2011 15 inch MBP, matte display, 2.3GHz, 8GB RAM, AMD 6750M with 1GB VRAM, 750GB HD. Cost: € 2749. Worked like a charm for about 2.5 years. Then, at the mid-end of November, started the issues: screen with horizontal thin lines, color glitches, sudden black screens with the need to reboot, screen split in two parts by a vertical wide black line with the right part of the screen in the left side and vice versa, fans fast running with apparently no reason etc. Soon it became pretty unusable. In two or three days I wasn't even able to boot anymore: on pushing the power button, after the chime and the distorted apple logo nothing happened. Just a blank gray screen with the fans running noisy like a hair dryer. I then sent it to an authorized Apple repair center (no Apple Store o Genius bar here around) and they told me it was a video card issue and that the whole logic board needed a replacement since the video card is soldered to it. No AppleCare and out of warranty. So they asked me €610 to fix it. I said yes and I had my MBP with a brand new logic board (90 days warranty) on December the 4th. Worked fine until the 19th, then back again: on watching a full screen movie from the net with Safari the fans started to spin fast and after few minutes the computer switched off itself. After restarting the bad new: horizontal lines and the old problems. I phoned the repair center and they told me to wait sending the laptop due to the Christmas period and to do it at the beginning of January. And so I did. In the meantime I had to manage the lack of the laptop using my old PPC Powerbook (Titanium G4, 2003) with the left hinge still broken and with Leopard in it. Sure slow, very slow, if compared with the MBP, but at least working. It took few days for them to replace again the logic board for free. Now I'm again with my MBP. It's ten days since they gave me it back. Everything seems running fine now. But I'm really frightened whenever fans start to spin.

With only 90 days of warranty on a 610 Euro part? I'd purposely install bootcamp and run Furmark all day long to 'cook' off your gpu. Then when it inevitably dies, I'd complain over and over until Apple hooks me up with a rMBP 15 as a replacement.
 
What's the best way to cook a GPU? My 17"'s warranty expires in June; and I'd love to cook it to death and get it dealt with while IN warranty vs. just out of...
 
Oh please, gimme a break ! Stop speaking nonsense about "planned obsolescence" .... There is nothing "planned" here, just defective components failing over the time.

You can't blame him for thinking so given Apple's track record for purposely making their equipment obsolete. This is normally done by abandoning all support for the hardware in the operating system. This has already been done to all PPC equipment, early Intel Macs and most of the iOS devices out there (e.g. Just one generation back old, the iPod Touch 4G is not supported in iOS7 and thus a lot of new software updates have abandoned it and many games don't work on it.) Nothing lasts forever, but compared to Microsoft, who still supports a 10+ year old operating system, Apple is pretty damn cheap-arse sorry sons of britches, especially given how much money the company has.

There is simply no excuse for their poor support record given their riches, IMO. Apple even supported Safari updates for Windows XP LONG after they dumped it for OSX Leopard, which was half a decade newer. Then, of course, they simply dumped support for Safari for all versions of Windows without so much as a single word of announcement about it to this very day. It simply "disappeared". That's contemptible.

It's not mavericks the culprit, is the time ...

I'm not sure what language that was written in. There appears to be a run-on sentence in that there are two verbs, but only one subject. Mavericks isn't capitalized and ... is used incorrectly. Thus, it cannot be English as what it says doesn't even make as much sense as most foreigners trying to speak English, IMO. They might leave out an article (e.g. "the" or "a/an"), but you appear to have left out everything that makes the slightest sense. Is the time what? It's not Mavericks "THAT IS" the culprit? "Mavericks the culprit" sounds like a bad character title like Vlad the Impaler or something. :D

What planned obsolescence !? As if pissing off customers who paid 3000$ for a MacBook after 2 years is a good marketing move, right

They wouldn't see it that way if it were true. They would see it as an opportunity for you to spend another $3000 on a replacement or else they'd offer a better standard warranty (and they don't). In other words, it is the customer's fault for not purchasing an Apple Care extended warranty. But then take the above examples of iOS obsolescence. They've pissed me off by dumping support for my iPod Touch 4th Gen. So what can/should I do? Go buy some Android device and dump all my software for iOS that I already bought? Come on; this is why Mac people don't often move (back) to Windows. You've got a software investment/library at some stage in the game and switching means abandonment. It's easier to switch TO the Mac because Macs can run Windows with something like VMWare Fusion or Parallels or even Boot Camp. It's less simple to run Mac software on a Windows machine.

Yes, yes, sure. Windows based PCs are notorious for being high quality computers :rolleyes: ...... in Balmer's dream maybe.

Oh please. That's a load of annoying fanatical talk. There are great Windows machines and bad ones, but most are perfectly decent. It's not like it's some arcane knowledge how to build a PC or even a good motherboard. There are dozens out there and most work fine. Use a quality power supply and you're probably not going to have problems. A PC is just as likely to get a bad chip from a manufacturer as Apple and vice versa. "Balmer" has not a flipping thing to do with hardware quality on a typical PC. Microsoft makes operating systems, not computers. :rolleyes:

There is a big difference, however and it is price. One would expect better quality for their money from Apple. If Apple cannot deliver that quality (whether a supplier they use is as at fault or not), they shouldn't command the prices they are asking. It is that simple. If Apple continues to have bad quality computers come out at prices substantially higher than the PC equivalent, they will inevitably get a bad reputation and this will hurt future sales. Apple may enjoy a halo effect from the iPhone and iPad, but it won't last forever if they keep putting out tripe. Apple has to watch out for bad hardware AND software since they are responsible for both.

Don't game on a Mac. That is from experience. Get a PC or a Console. Done.

Yes, waste your money buying a second computer or console when you could have one computer do everything. :rolleyes:

I'd get a Hackintosh and have the best of both worlds. Apple could get the money instead, but they'd need to offer better GPU hardware.

Yeah they put way too much thermal grease on the processors. I don't believe there's a risk of your computer going out like the ones on the original post as it doesn't have a dedicated graphics processor, but there is a risk of the cpu going out because of the heat. My 15" 's left side would be extremely hot by the time it turned on, almost burned my thigh.

Your logic is backwards. If the computer has a lot of thermal paste AND is burning your thigh THEN the thermal paste is doing its job and transferring the heat AWAY from the processor and into the case like a heat sink (e.g. my Gen1 AppleTV units get hot, but that's not a bad thing since if it wasn't radiating out of the case, it WOULD be cooking the hardware inside the case instead. Apple's default fan control behavior sides on the err of "quiet" versus cool, though. A Fan Control program is recommended if one does CPU intensive tasks on any model.
 
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