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No they aren't.

And the crown was poorly designed if this is Apple's answer.

It reaches the stupidity of your holding it wrong.

Yeah... NO. Haha, I've been in the cell phone industry since 2006 and have seen iPhones, iPads and many many other devices get damaged from water while not being powered on. Even moisture can cause corrosion and begin to damage.
 
That was my quote and I can confirm that rinsing the crown with water while turning it fixes the issue completely.
 
I've had Casio's and G-Shocks over the years and have no complaints. The strap failed before the watch ever did. They are great for an everyday beater watch. I have one of the Tough Solar G-shocks now and I really like it. It syncs with the Atomic Clock every night, the battery stays fully charged from sunlight or artificial light. I hope at some point it might be worthwhile for Apple to add some supplementary solar charging to the watch.


Ooh, I really want one of those Tough Solar G-Shocks. I just don't wear a watch enough to upgrade from what I have now.

For that matter, I wonder how the Apple Watch would stand up in a durability test against even a regular G-Shock. Just as the modern smartphone can't hold a candle to the old Nokia bricks, I feel like smartwatches add functionality at the price of durability.
 
So every little issue someone experiences becomes a front page story and thus turns into a [insert name here] gate?

Just wait until it's discovered that Apple's quick-fix rinsing solution causes some sort of damage. Then we'll have "watergate." #nomoregatestotraverse. :D
 
Ooh, I really want one of those Tough Solar G-Shocks. I just don't wear a watch enough to upgrade from what I have now.

For that matter, I wonder how the Apple Watch would stand up in a durability test against even a regular G-Shock. Just as the modern smartphone can't hold a candle to the old Nokia bricks, I feel like smartwatches add functionality at the price of durability.

Mechanics wear G-Shocks and get them covered with grease, oil and wash them off with cleaning solvent with no issues. They really are tough watches that take abuse. You could probably take a G-Shock and throw it at a brick wall and not break it. But I wouldn't expect a smart watch to be as durable.

Have you seen the Apple watch yet? They did a nice job with it.
 
By clean, I just mean run water over it and dry it with a towel. Any electronic device I use when I'm dirty or sweaty gets at least that kind of cleaning. I don't want dried up sweat all over expensive electronics.

If you sweat "all over" your electronics, you've got bigger problems than a digital crown.:D

People tend to rinse everything they have dipped into seawater for good reason. Wearing something on your skin while sweating isn't really different.

It really isn't the same either. Submerged in seawater and sweated during exercise both have salt in common but the comparison ends there. Sweat will not crust, and the salt content is far less. But that's neither here nor there. It's primarily irrelevant.

If the crown of the watch is getting clogged, sweat is the least of concerns. The primary culprit would be dirt/dust. Dust in the form of skin cells. Skin cells that are constantly being shed 24 hrs a day. In a mechanical watch, it's not so much a problem. A thorough cleaning every 3-5 years and you're good to go. The crown on the :apple:watch is part of an electronic device. That dust is the bane of electronics. In hindsight, maybe Apple should have given the watch IP67 protection instead of IPX7. At the minimum an o-ring should have been used.
 
The real problem is the very bad design of the totally hyped :apple:watch! Any engineer will agree that moving parts in any machine do wear out and will eventually break first – it's that simple!

I don't understand why Apple, namely Ive, decided to go with a physical crown, while we have touch technology almost everywhere nowdays. The next design iteration should get rig of any moving interface parts = problem(s) solved.

Remember when they changed the iPod click wheel to capacitive buttons? It wasn't the best.. Moving parts are not always bad.
 
Mechanics wear G-Shocks and get them covered with grease, oil and wash them off with cleaning solvent with no issues. They really are tough watches that take abuse. You could probably take a G-Shock and throw it at a brick wall and not break it. But I wouldn't expect a smart watch to be as durable.



Have you seen the Apple watch yet? They did a nice job with it.


Yeah, I guess it's kind of unfair to compare a smartwatch to a simpler watch that's designed to be especially hardy. I did play with the Apple Watch at an Apple Store recently, and it's very nice. But I think there's going to be a learning curve for some people as they figure out that they need to treat it more carefully than a "dumbwatch". Then again, people used to throw their phones all the time and we've all since adapted to the more fragile touchscreen devices.

If you sweat "all over" your electronics, you've got bigger problems than a digital crown.:D


In the case of a watch, sweat can accumulate on your arm underneath the watch. On a phone, sweaty fingers can cause the display to look very grimy.
 
Apple should have never made a watch. The thing is clunky, oversized, and unnecessary when you have a smartphone. The should have just improved the already existing iPod Nano 6th gen by making it thinner with more ram and bluetooth.

Really? My first reaction was that even the large one seems really small. And people have commented that it just looks like a normal watch.
 
What an Apple hate rally. So the crown sticks a little on some watches. Let's just burn down Silicon Valley!
 
Yeah, I guess it's kind of unfair to compare a smartwatch to a simpler watch that's designed to be especially hardy. I did play with the Apple Watch at an Apple Store recently, and it's very nice. But I think there's going to be a learning curve for some people as they figure out that they need to treat it more carefully than a "dumbwatch". Then again, people used to throw their phones all the time and we've all since adapted to the more fragile touchscreen devices.

Good point about the way people adapted to the more fragile smartphones. Those old Nokia's were built like tanks. It was rare to damage one with a normal drop. I see a lot of smartphones with broken screens.

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Really? My first reaction was that even the large one seems really small. And people have commented that it just looks like a normal watch.

I don't think it looks clunky at all. IMO, it looks much better in person than it does in pics.
 
Regardless the crowns and other unfortunate discoveries, it's offset by knowing that models and starlets are wearing an Apple watch on magazine covers.
 
I often have a sticky crown after winding my stem. But just as with the apple watch , a little rinse of water takes care of it.
 
Yeah... NO. Haha, I've been in the cell phone industry since 2006 and have seen iPhones, iPads and many many other devices get damaged from water while not being powered on. Even moisture can cause corrosion and begin to damage.

I had a fully cracked iPhone 5S screen (LCD was still fine) where you can see a bit of the interior.. and dropped that into the toilet bowl while powered.

The iPhone was still working perfect after that.
 
I had a fully cracked iPhone 5S screen (LCD was still fine) where you can see a bit of the interior.. and dropped that into the toilet bowl while powered.

The iPhone was still working perfect after that.

Same here, my wife's 3GS (the last phone we've had that had a cracked screen) functioned just fine with a cracked screen even though I could see the innards. We got the screen replaced eventually, but it was still very functional.
 
Absolutely correct. It's no longer, "Think Different."

It's, "Form (Fashion) over Function." :apple:

I wonder what the dynamic is between Cook and Ive... I believe Ive basically had free reign under Jobs' protection, I wonder how that plays out now.
 
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