The most popular watch in the world didn’t take off?
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The most popular watch in the world didn’t take off?
What does riding an electric bike and wearing black without wearing lights have to do with Vision Pro? Nothing.I echo this question.
Without snark, better how? Augmented with data everywhere? Name and HP bar above peoples heads, AR Pokemon hiding behind lampposts and Disney Princesses dancing on rooftops?
I see isolated use cases for such a device, I’m not a luddite, but the concept and its overuse removes people even more from reality and makes them more delusional/oblivious than they already are, staring at socials while crossing busy roads or riding electric bikes, wearing black with no lights at night.
Yeah there are trade offs that will have to be made for some people. LOL Lookin up at a screen slightly is more ergonomic in the sense that it changes your posture so it’s not slumped down to look at the screen.I often think the same, but I never found it comfortable to use anything wider than one 38" or two 27" screens. Having to look up at a screen is also extremely unergonomic, so I've never built a 2x2 grid of screens, although it's probably doable for under 1000€. How does the VP help here, in a way that makes up for having a heavy piece of tech on my head?
Lol projecting much? Not aware of the Highway Code in the UK, clearly.What does riding an electric bike and wearing black without wearing lights have to do with Vision Pro? Nothing.
Secondly, it sounds like you need to not drive. You sound like you are a dangerous driver. People shouldn’t have to wear bright colors and lights for you to see. If you are driving the car, it is your responsibility to be able to see the people in front of you. If you can see when you are driving dark or otherwise, simply don’t drive. It’s not the pedestrians fault you are driving in a hurry and cant see in front of you.
Yeah, it's doing really well in preorders despite the loud and continual negativity on nearly every post about it since its announcement. It's also impressive that it's hitting those preorder numbers with a price 4.6x the price of the original iPhone ($758 in 2024, per nerdwallet).Not really, it’s only about 2/3 of what the original iPad sold day one, and that also included three weeks of pre-orders.
And of course, started at about 1/7 the cost, even with inflation.
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And of course, the Vision Pro is only counting pre-orders, not people who just buy it in the store.
So shockingly, it’s selling about in line with the original iPhone and iPad, which were also US only launches.
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.
Among many other uses, I'd love to see AVP used for historical appreciation and archaeological research. Visit an ancient site and use the app to see the area as it may have appeared in the past, ruins rebuilt, city skylines reverted, etc.I echo this question.
Without snark, better how? Augmented with data everywhere? Name and HP bar above peoples heads, AR Pokemon hiding behind lampposts and Disney Princesses dancing on rooftops?
You've misread it then. I promise you that this is not enough interest to satisfy Apple or convince them that spatial computing was ready.We see it very differently. IMO the "170,000 pre-order units for a $3,500 product" that you are dissing is pretty darn good. 170,000 buyers are each willing to drop $3,500 for a pig in a poke. Whole new thing and none of those buyers have even touched one; that does show us just how much interest there is. A lot.
It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.Maybe, but I honestly didn’t think they would sell anywhere close to even 100,000 in the first week let alone the first weekend pre-order.
And there’s still almost 2 weeks to go until official launch.
Even if they sell at minimum only another 50,000 units, that’s still over 200,000 pre-orders for a product that again is limited to one country and way out of price range for the majority.
We’re still talking about a launch that in terms of pure units sold is close to rivaling the original iPhone.
And again, limited to one country.
That is insane.
It doesn't matter from a units sold standpoint but rather total dollars in revenue generated. Apple knows how expensive these units are, they aren't expecting quantity to be anywhere near the launch of prior products that were a fraction of the Vision Pro price. If they are generating a billion dollars in revenue and hitting their forecast, thats all that matters to them. They didn't spend the past 5-10 years in R&D to then discontinue this product especially at the revenue they generated already.It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
I don't think 2007 is the metric. I think 1984 is a better metric. The Vision Pro is as revolutionary to modern computing as the Mactintosh was to computing. And I think Apple has taken a long-term view on this product. And the most important part of the product ISN'T the hardware, but the OS. Vision OS is the long-term project. Computing that is no longer limited to square-box screens with limited sizes. Computing that is not limited to 2D display and interaction in a world in which we live in 3D.It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
I would say it is. What other entry price $3500+ tech is selling 180k+ units in a weekend in the US?It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
That's not the point that you think it is. The SUCCESS of Vision Pro is measured by 1 metric alone: does Apple keep updating it and developing it, or does it die on the vine. For spatial computing to actually make a dent in the world, Apple will need to aggressively update Vision Pro hardware (and software). Apple doesn't do this for products that aren't blowing the doors off. You can argue until you are blue in the face that $3,500 * 170k is a lot of money. It doesn't matter at all what "a lot of money" is to you. It matters how Apple views it. Because Apple's investment in it is what determines its future, nothing else. That said, this is a disappointing launch and a disappointing level of demand for Apple, and does not bode well for VP's future.I would say it is. What other entry price $3500+ tech is selling 180k+ units in a weekend in the US?
In some ways, the original Macintosh is even more useful and functional than Vision Pro. You've missed the point.I don't think 2007 is the metric. I think 1984 is a better metric. The Vision Pro is as revolutionary to modern computing as the Mactintosh was to computing. And I think Apple has taken a long-term view on this product. And the most important part of the product ISN'T the hardware, but the OS. Vision OS is the long-term project. Computing that is no longer limited to square-box screens with limited sizes. Computing that is not limited to 2D display and interaction in a world in which we live in 3D.
No, Apple is not counting this as just another product release. They are not looking at initial sales data to make any evaluations. I think they're in this, and thinking quite a ways down the road.
Apparently you don't know Apple at all. What Apple will not do is continue to spend money on a product that doesn't hold its own after 5 years of R&D.It doesn't matter from a units sold standpoint but rather total dollars in revenue generated. Apple knows how expensive these units are, they aren't expecting quantity to be anywhere near the launch of prior products that were a fraction of the Vision Pro price. If they are generating a billion dollars in revenue and hitting their forecast, thats all that matters to them. They didn't spend the past 5-10 years in R&D to then discontinue this product especially at the revenue they generated already.
And I think you've missed the point. So there we are.In some ways, the original Macintosh is even more useful and functional than Vision Pro. You've missed the point.
Why on earth would you in any way thing apple was expecting mass market success with a $3500 device in a category no one knows What to do with yet…? This is a developer and super fanboy release to get people working with the tech so there’s something for the mainstream when a consumer model comes out in a couple years . People are so shortsightedThat's not the point that you think it is. The SUCCESS of Vision Pro is measured by 1 metric alone: does Apple keep updating it and developing it, or does it die on the vine. For spatial computing to actually make a dent in the world, Apple will need to aggressively update Vision Pro hardware (and software). Apple doesn't do this for products that aren't blowing the doors off. You can argue until you are blue in the face that $3,500 * 170k is a lot of money. It doesn't matter at all what "a lot of money" is to you. It matters how Apple views it. Because Apple's investment in it is what determines its future, nothing else. That said, this is a disappointing launch and a disappointing level of demand for Apple, and does not bode well for VP's future.
That's not the point that you think it is. The SUCCESS of Vision Pro is measured by 1 metric alone: does Apple keep updating it and developing it, or does it die on the vine. For spatial computing to actually make a dent in the world, Apple will need to aggressively update Vision Pro hardware (and software). Apple doesn't do this for products that aren't blowing the doors off. You can argue until you are blue in the face that $3,500 * 170k is a lot of money. It doesn't matter at all what "a lot of money" is to you. It matters how Apple views it. Because Apple's investment in it is what determines its future, nothing else. That said, this is a disappointing launch and a disappointing level of demand for Apple, and does not bode well for VP's future.
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.
This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.
As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.
I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.
Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.
Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.
Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos
That's just not how it works. Vision Pro has to stand on its own for there to even be a version 2 at all.I think it’s almost guaranteed that Apple is in this for the long run and they are not going to abandon the Vision Pro anytime soon. The main question is whether to get the pricey first gen offering, or wait for an updated second generation product that should be cheaper and better.
But either way, the implication is that people will end up buying one (be it now or later) and the Vision Pro as a product category isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.