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I echo this question.

Without snark, better how? Augmented with data everywhere? Name and HP bar above peoples heads, AR Pokemon hiding behind lampposts and Disney Princesses dancing on rooftops?

I see isolated use cases for such a device, I’m not a luddite, but the concept and its overuse removes people even more from reality and makes them more delusional/oblivious than they already are, staring at socials while crossing busy roads or riding electric bikes, wearing black with no lights at night.
What does riding an electric bike and wearing black without wearing lights have to do with Vision Pro? Nothing.

Secondly, it sounds like you need to not drive. You sound like you are a dangerous driver. People shouldn’t have to wear bright colors and lights for you to see. If you are driving the car, it is your responsibility to be able to see the people in front of you. If you can't see when you are driving dark or otherwise, simply don’t drive. It’s not the pedestrians fault you are driving in a hurry and cant see in front of you.
 
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I often think the same, but I never found it comfortable to use anything wider than one 38" or two 27" screens. Having to look up at a screen is also extremely unergonomic, so I've never built a 2x2 grid of screens, although it's probably doable for under 1000€. How does the VP help here, in a way that makes up for having a heavy piece of tech on my head?
Yeah there are trade offs that will have to be made for some people. LOL Lookin up at a screen slightly is more ergonomic in the sense that it changes your posture so it’s not slumped down to look at the screen.
 
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What does riding an electric bike and wearing black without wearing lights have to do with Vision Pro? Nothing.

Secondly, it sounds like you need to not drive. You sound like you are a dangerous driver. People shouldn’t have to wear bright colors and lights for you to see. If you are driving the car, it is your responsibility to be able to see the people in front of you. If you can see when you are driving dark or otherwise, simply don’t drive. It’s not the pedestrians fault you are driving in a hurry and cant see in front of you.
Lol projecting much? Not aware of the Highway Code in the UK, clearly.
 
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Not really, it’s only about 2/3 of what the original iPad sold day one, and that also included three weeks of pre-orders.
And of course, started at about 1/7 the cost, even with inflation.
The original iPhone was right in between the two.

And of course, the Vision Pro is only counting pre-orders, not people who just buy it in the store.

So shockingly, it’s selling about in line with the original iPhone and iPad, which were also US only launches.
Yeah, it's doing really well in preorders despite the loud and continual negativity on nearly every post about it since its announcement. It's also impressive that it's hitting those preorder numbers with a price 4.6x the price of the original iPhone ($758 in 2024, per nerdwallet).
 
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Apple could post the legendary philosopher's stone to change base metals into gold, and somebody on MR would find something to complain about. Some things never change. Clearly, Apple is dead; after all, Michael Dell said so, right?, and the fact that I’m sitting on a pile of Apple stock is beside the point.
 
Healthy companies need to occasionally change direction. Apple's direction is clearly turning toward iOS and away from macOS. Turning away from the Mac means they need to go somewhere, and Apple is betting the Vision Pro is the new direction. Until we come up with a Minority Report-like interface for the Vision Pro, it will never replace the Mac. I think a continued merging of iOS and macOS is inevitable. iPads will be the new Macs. Vision Pro will become an iOS device.
 
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I echo this question.

Without snark, better how? Augmented with data everywhere? Name and HP bar above peoples heads, AR Pokemon hiding behind lampposts and Disney Princesses dancing on rooftops?
Among many other uses, I'd love to see AVP used for historical appreciation and archaeological research. Visit an ancient site and use the app to see the area as it may have appeared in the past, ruins rebuilt, city skylines reverted, etc.

Or recreating an archaeological dig with greater detail than ever before and potentially augmented by AI. It's a destructive science. Once dug out, a site can never be dug again - but AVP has the potential to change that, even more than the iPad.

In a museum? Or walking around public art displays or landmarks? See something you want to know more about and you could be able to instantly call up more information about it: artist, similar works, a restored version, etc as you move around it. Maybe see an object as it appeared in its original location if you like.

There are more everyday things it could potentially do too. Trying a DIY fix or assembly on something? Wouldn't it be helpful to have an AR guide to how it works helping you along the way?

I think this is part of the AVP some people seem to be having a hard time wrapping their heads around for whatever reason. AVP is not just a toy like much of the competition. Sure, it can be a toy, which is great. But there are so many everyday uses both incredible and mundane that aren't currently capitalized on, and the AVP could really change that.
 
We see it very differently. IMO the "170,000 pre-order units for a $3,500 product" that you are dissing is pretty darn good. 170,000 buyers are each willing to drop $3,500 for a pig in a poke. Whole new thing and none of those buyers have even touched one; that does show us just how much interest there is. A lot.
You've misread it then. I promise you that this is not enough interest to satisfy Apple or convince them that spatial computing was ready.
 
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Maybe, but I honestly didn’t think they would sell anywhere close to even 100,000 in the first week let alone the first weekend pre-order.
And there’s still almost 2 weeks to go until official launch.
Even if they sell at minimum only another 50,000 units, that’s still over 200,000 pre-orders for a product that again is limited to one country and way out of price range for the majority.
We’re still talking about a launch that in terms of pure units sold is close to rivaling the original iPhone.
And again, limited to one country.
That is insane.
It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
 
It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
It doesn't matter from a units sold standpoint but rather total dollars in revenue generated. Apple knows how expensive these units are, they aren't expecting quantity to be anywhere near the launch of prior products that were a fraction of the Vision Pro price. If they are generating a billion dollars in revenue and hitting their forecast, thats all that matters to them. They didn't spend the past 5-10 years in R&D to then discontinue this product especially at the revenue they generated already.
 
It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
I don't think 2007 is the metric. I think 1984 is a better metric. The Vision Pro is as revolutionary to modern computing as the Mactintosh was to computing. And I think Apple has taken a long-term view on this product. And the most important part of the product ISN'T the hardware, but the OS. Vision OS is the long-term project. Computing that is no longer limited to square-box screens with limited sizes. Computing that is not limited to 2D display and interaction in a world in which we live in 3D.

No, Apple is not counting this as just another product release. They are not looking at initial sales data to make any evaluations. I think they're in this, and thinking quite a ways down the road.
 
It's not. Very simply, it's not. It's low, and very disappointing. You're not understanding the difference in the market from 2007 to 2024 nor the difference in the Apple customer base. My assumption is that this pre-order volume represents most of the people currently interested in Vision Pro, which is not nearly enough to keep Apple interested in it. Apple needs to see a lot more commitment from customers than a 1 day boost to sales. If Apple isn't selling a lot more than this, Vision Pro will simply languish, and eventually be discontinued 2-3 years down the line after not being updated.
I would say it is. What other entry price $3500+ tech is selling 180k+ units in a weekend in the US?
 
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I would say it is. What other entry price $3500+ tech is selling 180k+ units in a weekend in the US?
That's not the point that you think it is. The SUCCESS of Vision Pro is measured by 1 metric alone: does Apple keep updating it and developing it, or does it die on the vine. For spatial computing to actually make a dent in the world, Apple will need to aggressively update Vision Pro hardware (and software). Apple doesn't do this for products that aren't blowing the doors off. You can argue until you are blue in the face that $3,500 * 170k is a lot of money. It doesn't matter at all what "a lot of money" is to you. It matters how Apple views it. Because Apple's investment in it is what determines its future, nothing else. That said, this is a disappointing launch and a disappointing level of demand for Apple, and does not bode well for VP's future.
 
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I don't think 2007 is the metric. I think 1984 is a better metric. The Vision Pro is as revolutionary to modern computing as the Mactintosh was to computing. And I think Apple has taken a long-term view on this product. And the most important part of the product ISN'T the hardware, but the OS. Vision OS is the long-term project. Computing that is no longer limited to square-box screens with limited sizes. Computing that is not limited to 2D display and interaction in a world in which we live in 3D.

No, Apple is not counting this as just another product release. They are not looking at initial sales data to make any evaluations. I think they're in this, and thinking quite a ways down the road.
In some ways, the original Macintosh is even more useful and functional than Vision Pro. You've missed the point.
 
It doesn't matter from a units sold standpoint but rather total dollars in revenue generated. Apple knows how expensive these units are, they aren't expecting quantity to be anywhere near the launch of prior products that were a fraction of the Vision Pro price. If they are generating a billion dollars in revenue and hitting their forecast, thats all that matters to them. They didn't spend the past 5-10 years in R&D to then discontinue this product especially at the revenue they generated already.
Apparently you don't know Apple at all. What Apple will not do is continue to spend money on a product that doesn't hold its own after 5 years of R&D.
 
That's not the point that you think it is. The SUCCESS of Vision Pro is measured by 1 metric alone: does Apple keep updating it and developing it, or does it die on the vine. For spatial computing to actually make a dent in the world, Apple will need to aggressively update Vision Pro hardware (and software). Apple doesn't do this for products that aren't blowing the doors off. You can argue until you are blue in the face that $3,500 * 170k is a lot of money. It doesn't matter at all what "a lot of money" is to you. It matters how Apple views it. Because Apple's investment in it is what determines its future, nothing else. That said, this is a disappointing launch and a disappointing level of demand for Apple, and does not bode well for VP's future.
Why on earth would you in any way thing apple was expecting mass market success with a $3500 device in a category no one knows What to do with yet…? This is a developer and super fanboy release to get people working with the tech so there’s something for the mainstream when a consumer model comes out in a couple years . People are so shortsighted:rolleyes:
 
I don’t think Vision Pro is for the general population. It’s prohibitively expensive partly because they know they can’t make enough due to the complex manufacturing, partly because the components are currently quite advanced and complex, and partly because of the massive amount of R&D that went into it. This is a first gen device so that they can test it, and begin work on the second gen device.

The real goal for Apple is to make a portable AR device a la Google Glass, but without all the baggage. Launching the Vision Pro is the first step in that direction. And getting it out the door, even if it’s not for everyone, is still an important step in its design evolution.

Like others have said, many doubted the success of the iPad, the Apple Watch, the iPod, and some even doubted the iPhone. Apple is very careful about what products it launches and how it goes about doing it. It’s not like they never have a flop, (Apple Hi-Fi, HomePod some extent, and I’m not going to even count the Newton because that was 90’s Apple.) but when they enter a product category they take care to make it better than the completion, and then over time refine and improve it in many ways. I see the Vision Pro being no different.
 
That's not the point that you think it is. The SUCCESS of Vision Pro is measured by 1 metric alone: does Apple keep updating it and developing it, or does it die on the vine. For spatial computing to actually make a dent in the world, Apple will need to aggressively update Vision Pro hardware (and software). Apple doesn't do this for products that aren't blowing the doors off. You can argue until you are blue in the face that $3,500 * 170k is a lot of money. It doesn't matter at all what "a lot of money" is to you. It matters how Apple views it. Because Apple's investment in it is what determines its future, nothing else. That said, this is a disappointing launch and a disappointing level of demand for Apple, and does not bode well for VP's future.

I think it’s almost guaranteed that Apple is in this for the long run and they are not going to abandon the Vision Pro anytime soon. The main question is whether to get the pricey first gen offering, or wait for an updated second generation product that should be cheaper and better.

But either way, the implication is that people will end up buying one (be it now or later) and the Vision Pro as a product category isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
 
Apple’s VR is dead on arrival.

This is a result of Apple’s poor relationship with app developers and competitors.

As we have now seen all the major companies Apple desperately needs are not only not developing for Vision Pro but are yanking their iPad versions from being compatible too.

I suspect their behaviour with the 27% third party app store fee this week has been the straw that broke the camels back.

Downvote me all you want but these are facts… they have no interest at all supporting Apple’s entry into another new category and continuing their market dominance and for once Apple needs them more than they need Apple.

Apple are screwed.
Vision Pro is dead on arrival.

Save this post and look at it again in two years time, then give me kudos

There aren't any facts yet. That's the problem with posts like yours. No facts.
 
I think it’s almost guaranteed that Apple is in this for the long run and they are not going to abandon the Vision Pro anytime soon. The main question is whether to get the pricey first gen offering, or wait for an updated second generation product that should be cheaper and better.

But either way, the implication is that people will end up buying one (be it now or later) and the Vision Pro as a product category isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
That's just not how it works. Vision Pro has to stand on its own for there to even be a version 2 at all.
 
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