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Sorry, Apple Vision Pro is dead on arrival
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I’m sure they will sell every single one they can make for a little while. But it ultimately takes word of mouth and genuine use-cases to make a product a real hit.
Honestly I could be totally wrong. But I watched the launch of the iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods all while thinking about how/when I would buy one.
I’ve never been a naysayer for any Apple product within my lifetime as a potential buyer. This time is different, for me at least. I don’t see the value to my life.
I’m pretty much the same. It’s definitely not something I could use. I see plenty of use cases for it, but nothing for me. Retirement means gardening and enjoying the Australian lifestyle, rather than watching tv in 3D.
Yep. I guess I just don’t feel like now is the time in life/the world to be strapping ourselves into manufactured realities. Now is the the time to face the realities we are all facing.
Also, it is just an inherently awkward product. Antisocial idea.
I wonder why Tim Cook pushed this out at this time. Apple’s long overdue for a big flop, personally I’m just glad they’re still making awesome iPhones, Macs, AirPods, etc.
In the right setting, I can see it being super useful, but mainly in the areas of business where virtual reality can reduce costs of manufacturing, testing, building etc.
Not that it would be used in court rooms for at least a decade, but crime scene reenactments etc. could be yet another use. VR scans are definitely a thing now, and this could be even better.
Apple sold between 160,000 and 180,000 Vision Pro headsets during its first pre-order weekend
OP probably went back to his cave
OP probably went back to his cave
I can't even rename a photo on my iPad in Apples app, if I lived in the US I could spend 3500 on a headset to have the same limitations on a giant screen. Wonderful. I don't think it'll be a success, but we shall see as nobody can predict the future.
The original iPhone, with all its limited functionality, was still a tool for daily life unlike anyone had ever seen. The utility mixed with the wow factor was unprecedented. I remember well.
This isn’t 2007. This isn’t the iPhone.
No it really wasn't. Here in the UK it was the most expensive phone on sale, only available on one network so if you had no signal you were SOL, had a crappy camera compared to the competition at the time, no front camera, no 3G no video calling, unlike the competition. All it had was a flashy UI and a big screen and a button. It relied VERY heavily on its UI and design to sell and make up for its extreme lack of features.
And no it isn't 2007, but no one buys VR or AR headsets in their droves, it's a niche market and has been for decades now. Really not sure what Apple thinks it'll do to it with a 3500 headset limited to one country aimed more at the consumer? It has a powerful chip but again limited functionality due to its OS.
How much of this is from your potential inability to comfortably buy this?
I hope everyone has internal biases checkers that can sense when they do or don’t want something just because it’s unaffordable. I know many like this who then change their tune as soon as their financial situation changes. Don’t be like those people they’re insufferable.
I’m genuinely asking, to raise awareness about this most annoying human trait.
Don’t judge things based on how easily or not you could acquire them, regardless of the cost.
Judge things solely on their use cases.
It does seem you’ve thought about it and can’t think of any uses. Personally, I can’t think of any instance where I’d rather use my old tech (iPhone, iPad, Mac) rather than this new way of interfacing (eyes, gestures).
For chronic pain persons like myself, AVP is the only real usable tech left.
It also seems like you aren’t the target for lots of the amazing things AVP does. For example, I plan to spend a lot of time in environments, Cylon-style (BSG2003), because I have a highly stressful job and life, and AVP is the first and only headset that is also its own computer, AND has 4k per eye and OLED. I am hoping and pretty certain that AVP will reduce my stress levels significantly, because I won’t have to feel so tethered to this difficult reality anymore.
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i dont think apple is saying, hey throw this on your head and run into your nearest coffee shops.
but the use cases of working from home, airplanes, chilling on the couch, or having a go in your fap chair are kind of the main ones.
Goodness, I totally disagree with the OP and believe they are trolling; but this post takes the cake for speculation. Not only does it disrespect the effort required of developers to create an app and get it approved for App Store publishing, it is dismissive of the economics of software development and sustainability. Request: Spend the time and effort to conceive an app concept, design it, refine it, code it, test it, submit it to the App Store, earn Apple’s approval to offer your app on the App Store and then repeat all of the foregoing for each app update to improve it or just keep it functional amidst ongoing OS updates, and developer API deprecation. Until then, please ask a professional developer if your perspective is accurate. I think you will find that it takes way more effort than it appears to publish and maintain an app. This is the reason the subscription model is becoming prevalent — not because developers are seeking to abuse consumers. 🙏🏽
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I have to imagine the ultimate goal for this product line is something closer to the size of regular glasses with actual see through displays. We are starting to see some see-through TV's come to market slowly using tech that might eventually be in glasses 10 years or so from now.
I can only see something in that form factor be portable enough to be adopted at a mass scale similar to something like AirPods or an Apple Watch.
Gotta imagine the internal runway for mass appeal is longer on this product line than their other product launches. Bloomberg alluded to this right before the reveal of the Vision Pro.
"Apple Inc. is still planning to unveil its first mixed-reality headset this year, but an even more important follow-up product — lightweight augmented-reality glasses — has been postponed due to technical challenges."
I can only see something in that form factor be portable enough to be adopted at a mass scale similar to something like AirPods or an Apple Watch.
Gotta imagine the internal runway for mass appeal is longer on this product line than their other product launches. Bloomberg alluded to this right before the reveal of the Vision Pro.
"Apple Inc. is still planning to unveil its first mixed-reality headset this year, but an even more important follow-up product — lightweight augmented-reality glasses — has been postponed due to technical challenges."
i wonder though, since apple went the route of tethered battery. whats stopping a manufacturer from just putting the OLED's on your face in the smallest form factor possible, and having the entire rest of the system (cameras, CPU, storage) tethered elsewhere. like in a fanny pack or backpack form factor, so you can REALLY wear it out and about.
i realize how ignorant i may sound to someone more familiar with the tech needs, but i see samsungs flimsy OLED screens, and im wondering whatsup.
I don't know if the AVP is DOA, as the OP suggests, but I can tell you that I personally don't see any reason for this to exist beyond the fact that it's possible to make it. What's the killer app here? I am a legendary early adopter -- I paid $22K for a plasma TV in late 2000 -- but I just can't see dropping $4K or more on something like this.
If the AVP succeeds and if they can get the cost down, maybe I will buy one later on, just for curiosity's sake. But I still can't envisage what it will DO to make it a worthwhile purchase.
If the AVP succeeds and if they can get the cost down, maybe I will buy one later on, just for curiosity's sake. But I still can't envisage what it will DO to make it a worthwhile purchase.
Spatial computing, IMO. At home I typically work from a laptop with an external monitor, running dual display. On the go I can work off my laptop standalone but the missing second display is challenging from a workflow perspective. It's not like it's impossible to work off just a standalone laptop, but it's certainly more limited.
AV (didn't they drop the "Pro"?) would mean that I can have the benefits of large real estate for working.
All the same, I'm not buying one. Not at this point. Move the decimal point one place to the left and I'd certainly consider it.
They did not drop the Pro moniker, no.
And what? For $350 you’d consider it?
Might be waiting 10-20 years for that.
I'm sure that every new product in a new category is going to end every company.
How many times has Apple been out of business, according to some? Has it been hundreds or thousands of times?
I'm thinking that Valve's Index product was ridiculed because of the price. VR headsets aren't yet mainstream products, but they're getting more and more attention. Vision Pro is likely to be used by company executives who can't seem to do any work anyway. They can have company meetings in a way that makes Zoom look primitive.
How many times has Apple been out of business, according to some? Has it been hundreds or thousands of times?
I'm thinking that Valve's Index product was ridiculed because of the price. VR headsets aren't yet mainstream products, but they're getting more and more attention. Vision Pro is likely to be used by company executives who can't seem to do any work anyway. They can have company meetings in a way that makes Zoom look primitive.
Yeah, which is fine. I'm not in a hurry. Once it's more mature I might be willing to pay more than the $350. But $3,500, no.
Pretty sure this is directed at me, and yeah, I’m looking into it.
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It's weird how you would use that as anything. Apple could make plastic dog poop and there would be enough loyal Apple people with money who would turn out to pre-order it. This means nothing.