Sorry, but Apple FAIL

[revelated]

That it doesn't work in Firefox and Chrome isn't Apple's fault. It's up to the makers of the software to use the API. :/

Hugh

Doesn't it strike you as just a TAD bit poor that Apple cannot make THEIR dock work regardless of what app is running how?

I hate to burst people's bubbles. But in Windows 7 (I know that's a bad word around here), I can get the taskbar to show up by hitting the Windows key in ANY application, at ANY time, no matter how it's running. Why? Because the taskbar/task manager controls the apps, not the other way around. That's bass ackwards. It's called OPERATING system for a reason. What good is an OS that doesn't properly control the situation? How is it that people can justify an OS that can't even get its Dock to show except under certain apps? That makes absolutely no sense.

And unfortunately you guys are all-too-keen to make excuses here. "Mozilla didn't code it right!!!'1!!" "Google didn't code it right!!!1'1!" Instead of "wow. Apple created this funky container unnecessarily instead of just letting the app go into the normal full screen it always had and supporting that."

Whatever dude. I acknowledge it does work in Safari. But it's still broken if it requires an "Apple app" to function instead of working across the board.

 

[bLink-404]

Doesn't it strike you as just a TAD bit poor that Apple cannot make THEIR dock work regardless of what app is running how?

I hate to burst people's bubbles. But in Windows 7 (I know that's a bad word around here), I can get the taskbar to show up by hitting the Windows key in ANY application, at ANY time, no matter how it's running. Why? Because the taskbar/task manager controls the apps, not the other way around. That's bass ackwards. It's called OPERATING system for a reason. What good is an OS that doesn't properly control the situation? How is it that people can justify an OS that can't even get its Dock to show except under certain apps? That makes absolutely no sense.

And unfortunately you guys are all-too-keen to make excuses here. "Mozilla didn't code it right!!!'1!!" "Google didn't code it right!!!1'1!" Instead of "wow. Apple created this funky container unnecessarily instead of just letting the app go into the normal full screen it always had and supporting that."

Whatever dude. I acknowledge it does work in Safari. But it's still broken if it requires an "Apple app" to function instead of working across the board.

You're just showing your ignorance and lack of background knowledge here (see my reply). Furthermore, this dock "issue" is actually not unique to Lion; Snow Leopard never used to show the dock if an app could fill the screen either. So you've gone off-topic from your Lion rant. Really seems like you're blatantly trolling actually. Unfortunately, we all lunged at the troll bait and turned it into a 9-page affair.

UPDATE: Here's further evidence that the Dock shows in "non-Apple apps" (i.e. 3rd party apps).

 

[tigres]

You're just showing your ignorance and lack of background knowledge here (see my reply). Really seems like blatant trolling actually. Unfortunately, we all lunged at the troll bait and turned it into a 9-page affair.

How do you come on the boards and w/in a month start calling names? At any rate, I personally can't wait for 10.7.1. Furthermore, I hope they come to their senses on Preview and Finder- oh, and fix the Safari rendering/ reloading as well.

kthx

 

[bLink-404]

How do you come on the boards and w/in a month start calling names? At any rate, I personally can't wait for 10.7.1. Furthermore, I hope they come to their senses on Preview and Finder- oh, and fix the Safari rendering/ reloading as well.

kthx

Not calling names; just telling it how it is.

 

[tarasis]

I don't agree with a number of opinions in this thread, I generally like the changes (though I miss getting an apps windows by clicking on the dock icon - and I do use a hot corner for exposé ).

I do think Apple failed by releasing Lion too soon, it simply isn't ready. I am still tripping over bugs / glitches that simply shouldnt be there on a release product (for instance after closing screen sharing this morning I lost the ability to type for 5 minutes; the only keys that did anything were the brightness controls. Or sometimes when switching apps the menu bar doesn't reflect the active app but the menu items do). Basically they should have delayed it for another month rather than aiming to catch the rest in 10.7.1

 

[makdeniss]

I'm actually very happy with this release. They fixed the glitch with slow animations while using dual displays and my Logitech mouse finally is moving very smoothly.

 

[*LTD*]

Forums are about opinions and these are just mine. I can't se any added value to Lion compared to Snow Leopard which was so easy to use and am completely unconvinced by it. It appears to me that the popularity of iOS has totally railroaded Apples thinking into believing that Mac users somehow would want this approach on their macs.

Launchpad is pointless and there is so much duplication and lack of interaction with the dock. Its completely rigid in its ability to be customised and in my humble view is a complete waste of quite a nice gesture which could be used for something far more useful, even just to be able to go straight into finder.

Mission control is messy, and appears to be a gimmick than serve any real purpose.

And why are the simple things missed by Apple. Safari ok is much improved but the switching pages with two finger swipe is not flawless, when you stretch your scree to a more suitable screen size on a website it reverts to the original size when you go back / forward a page. And as for thumb and four fingers to show the desktop, it just plain ludicrous.

Switching the scrolling was just pointless and only serves as a hindrance, it doesn't benefit the user experience.

Mail is better, but not as good as sparrow. Three finger tap for the dictionary is again a waste of a gesture.

I think a lot of apple fans are convincing themselves Lion is a win, when personally i think it represents a really confused OS, particularly compared to Snow Leopard which was so simple and functional use.

Slate me all you like, but sometimes us Apple fans have to front up and say ' you got it wrong'.

Disappointed Stu

Anecdote vs. Reality:

 

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Anecdote vs. Reality:

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Exactly my thoughts.

 

[emaja]

Anecdote vs. Reality:

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I already know the rebuttal to that pic -

"But...but...but...those are fanbois who would buy anything The Steve told them to buy - and love it!"

 

[*LTD*]

I already know the rebuttal to that pic -

"But...but...but...those are fanbois who would buy anything The Steve told them to buy - and love it!"

The "fanboys" also trashed the newest Final Cut.

As for your comment, they probably trust Steve because he's not in the habit of letting them down.

 

[emaja]

The "fanboys" also trashed the newest Final Cut.

As for your comment, they probably trust Steve because he's not in the habit of letting them down.

That was kinda my point.

Sarcastically, only fanboys would vote it up while the "real" users would give an honest opinion and trash it.

Any, Lion works great for me. YMMV.

 

[/V\acpower]

Seriously, why do peoples complain about Launchpad.

It is so inobstrusive, if you remove the icon and deactivate the gesture, you will never hear of launchpad in OS X Lion.

It is a great addition to OS X anyway, its better than having to clog your Dock with hundreds of icons, having to go to Finder to get every apps or having the App Folder as a stack in the Dock. Launchpad is the best thing to see a great view of all your apps without having to browse through the finder windows.

Yes it make your Mac look a bit more like a big iPad for a sec, and i know you all hate iOS, but come on, its just a frikkin app launcher, stop complaining...

 

[scottsjack]

Seriously, why do peoples complain about Launchpad.

It is so inobstrusive, if you remove the icon and deactivate the gesture, you will never hear of launchpad in OS X Lion.

It is a great addition to OS X anyway, its better than having to clog your Dock with hundreds of icons, having to go to Finder to get every apps or having the App Folder as a stack in the Dock. Launchpad is the best thing to see a great view of all your apps without having to browse through the finder windows.

Yes it make your Mac look a bit more like a big iPad for a sec, and i know you all hate iOS, but come on, its just a frikkin app launcher, stop complaining...

You're right about getting rid of Launchpad. I did so almost right away. I think there is a bigger issue with Launchpad. It and Mission Control are poster boys for what has happened in Lion.

I would sum up Lion over SL as this. Some potentially serious OS work has increased the possibility for Lion to outperform SL speedwise. Also a couple of seriously dumb things like not being able to resize windows from any corner or side were corrected.

Unfortunately a lot of childish, visually ugly iOS-like crap was added for the iToys folks but without the ability for serious computer users to disable them. Smooth operating Spaces was trashed, smooth page switching in Safari was trashed and resume either brings back all of the junk that you already decided to close or it does nothing at all.

Additionally fugliest artwork ever to come out of Apple is strewn through the release. Mail and Calendar are so gradeschool-art-class-amateur that for the first time Windows 7 Live Mail and Outlook 2003 actually look better their Mac counterparts!!!

Lion is gunked up with too many gimmics while basic operations have deteriorated.

 

[johnmacward]

I don't have to "convince" myself that Lion is a win.
If I hear one more complaint about launchpad I might just lose it. No one is forcing you to use launchpad. I know I won't be using it, I'm taking it off the dock and most likely re-assigning its gesture. Is that really so hard to do? It may not have any value added to us but to some people it does. Since it doesn't detract from your experience unless you use it, just don't use it.

Mission control is young. It has some growing pains but personally I like it. Once you get used to picking the correct application before picking a window it really all makes sense. There are a few bugs in it but those will be worked out. report them and you'll see results.

I'll not even talk about scrolling since you can revert any time you like. Quit whining that Apple didn't design the operating system features for you personally.

In terms of the iOS feel, it makes sense to apple. Not to those of us that already use their computers maybe, but to the people that only have used an iOS device before, this drives them towards the computers. It's a vertical integration strategy and we'll have to see how well it pays off.

Unfortunately, you don't understand. He's simply giving feedback, isn't he allowed? A good OS is something that just works with elegance and simplicity and doesn't require heavy customization - you saying just don't use it is hardly helpful in the long term of users and Apple understanding how their products are liked or disliked. Sadly, there are many unusual and strange features with Lion that either need severe treatment or removal.

In regards your last argument about IOS customers, what a ridiculous argument. It's not for us to worry about Apples profits and their methods of integrating themselves into certain markets - we should simply concerned with getting the best product for our needs. It's true Apple can simply dump an entire section of their fans for a more lucrative opportunity but it's at their peril.

 

[emaja]

In regards your last argument about IOS customers, what a ridiculous argument. It's not for us to worry about Apples profits and their methods of integrating themselves into certain markets - we should simply concerned with getting the best product for our needs. It's true Apple can simply dump an entire section of their fans for a more lucrative opportunity but it's at their peril.

Not really. It is a good idea for Apple to bring in as many new users as they can and the iOS devices are a great gateway to the world of Apple.

Furthermore, it is easier for us as more experienced users to turn off those simplifying features than it is for new Mac users to turn them on. I see nothing wrong with Apple making the learning curve of switching to Macs easier.

 

[Asclepio]

Anecdote vs. Reality:

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plz...

 

[johnmacward]

Not really. It is a good idea for Apple to bring in as many new users as they can and the iOS devices are a great gateway to the world of Apple.

Furthermore, it is easier for us as more experienced users to turn off those simplifying features than it is for new Mac users to turn them on. I see nothing wrong with Apple making the learning curve of switching to Macs easier.

It's not this that I have a problem with, it's bad implementations of these new features. I was excited about these new things but upon seeing them, but they are cluttered, confusing and have little functionality and they are not up to release standard. Launchpad is a confusing way of looking at apps and a duplication of the dock which it presents down the bottom anyway while it's active - I mean, what's the point. Mission Control with enough apps open is a holy mess that my eye (and many others) find difficult to distinguish and the fullscreen apps are badly implemented.

I thought with gestures, doing things would involve less work, less clicks and less moving about and it's not true. It feels more confusing and feels like more work.

 

[Asclepio]

The "fanboys" also trashed the newest Final Cut.

As for your comment, they probably trust Steve because he's not in the habit of letting them down.

They are people that have to work with it. Lion is not even ready for a small office, just for internet with safari's crashes and mail with the nice IMAP bugs features. If you lucky you can visit some websites and maybe send some emails and pray that everything goes ok. This is the average consumer experience.

 

[Smoothie]

Anecdote vs. Reality:

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Yep. The reality of those who happened to respond in a Mac App Store review. It doesn't negate legitimate criticism of Lion.

 

[/V\acpower]

You're right about getting rid of Launchpad. I did so almost right away. I think there is a bigger issue with Launchpad. It and Mission Control are poster boys for what has happened in Lion.

I would sum up Lion over SL as this. Some potentially serious OS work has increased the possibility for Lion to outperform SL speedwise. Also a couple of seriously dumb things like not being able to resize windows from any corner or side were corrected.

Unfortunately a lot of childish, visually ugly iOS-like crap was added for the iToys folks but without the ability for serious computer users to disable them. Smooth operating Spaces was trashed, smooth page switching in Safari was trashed and resume either brings back all of the junk that you already decided to close or it does nothing at all.

Additionally fugliest artwork ever to come out of Apple is strewn through the release. Mail and Calendar are so gradeschool-art-class-amateur that for the first time Windows 7 Live Mail and Outlook 2003 actually look better their Mac counterparts!!!

Lion is gunked up with too many gimmics while basic operations have deteriorated.

I disagree, Launchpad is not a "duplication of Dock functionality". In the simple aspect that you can launch app in both, yes they are similar, but for the rest Launchpad actually complete the Dock very well.

Sorry, but i only ever put on the Dock all the apps i use on a regular basic. But when you want to access another app, like Disk Utility or Automator, the "normal" OS X way was to browse and find it in the Finder. Launchpad replace that, not the Dock, simply the fact that you need to browse the finder to launch apps. Launchpad is fast and intuitive to use. I'm not using it to launch apps because it "look like iOS", but simply because its a great way to rapidly find and launch the particular app you want. It doesn't make the Mac some kind of "toy", it make the Mac a little easier to use for everybody, either casual or power user.

 

[calbear93]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, OP. I think Mission Control really complicates things. What was wrong with Expose? I don't like the new look of the scroll bar because sometimes I like to use the scroll bar to see how long the entire webpage is. Now, it's not as easy. Launchpad is completely useless. It's an iPad-y version of the Applications Stack from previous Apple OS'. Dashboard has its own window now?! I thought the original purpose of it was to go OVER the other windows on your screen so that you could, for example, type in a definition while viewing the windows underneath the Dashboard. I don't know what Apple was thinking with inverted scrolling. Yes, it's present in iOS but do we really need to make our COMPUTERS more like our iPads and iPhones, which are essentially dumbed-down versions of computers? And why did they change all of the Multi-Touch gestures? Seriously, even though new gestures don't take too long to get used to, why would Apple even change them in the first place? It's just stupid.

I do, however, like some of the features. I like full-screen apps and its integration with all applications on OS Lion. I like the new look of Mail for sure. I like Resume. It seems convenient. Auto Save and Versions seem like pretty smart ideas which add convenience to our work lives.

I think there are many terrible things about OS Lion, but at the same time there are some new features that I like. Apple has always had a way of holding my interest. Eventually, my mind might finally wrap around Lion and embrace its new features. I would, in that case, update to Lion. But in the meantime, I'm good with Snow Leopard.

 

[Akula971]

Progression then regression

I started off with Panther, and upgraded all the way through to Snow Leopard, each one was an improvement in term of under the hood features and features that improved workflow and productivity. With Lion, I'm told there are under the hood features such as better security and programs being 64 bit, which if I remember correctly we where promised in Snow Leopard. Each upgrade had its' fair share of bugs, but nothing that really stopped it being used in my small business. Now with Lion, it is different, there has been change, some good, but some not. Enough to stop me upgrading the rest of the machines in the office. Lion remains on a spare disk in a Mac Pro, as a curiosity, until it changes enough to warrant it being let out.

I think their intention is too make it easier for the new IPad and IPhone users to migrate to a Mac computer. So the whole thing is dumbed down to appeal to these users thereby increasing laptop sales, etc. They don't care about the established user base that has supported them over the years. It is insignificant in terms of numbers compared to the people who have for the first time bought an Apple device such as an IPad or IPhone. The money to be made is in the recent converts. But these people are not brand loyal, they are the fashion victims. They will ditch the IPad or IPhone for the next "must have device" and Apple will be there to milk them.

I switched from Win XP to Panther back in 2005, now I'm curious to see what Windows 7 or 8 has to offer. Wow how did I come to this? I need a computer to be customisable to do the job required, in terms of software. I find Lion more restrictive than before. I'm looking at Pathfinder to give me the Finder I want. I've downloaded new skins for Address book and ICal, I've used terminal to enable me to connect to my NAS, to see my Library folder. "It just works?" not anymore, not "straight out of the box"

I'm not keen on the direction Apple is taking. But as they say, be kind to the people you meet on the way up, you'll meet them again on the way down.

For years I've heard the Windows crowd call the Mac a Fisher Price toy. I'm starting to wonder if that is where it is heading?

 

[Huliodude]

Forums are about opinions and these are just mine. I can't se any added value to Lion compared to Snow Leopard which was so easy to use and am completely unconvinced by it.

Disappointed Stu

You are spot on. Even Apple makes mistakes sometimes. I'm sure they'll fix it in time, after huge public outcry unfortunately.

 

[Mr.Mumblings]

Am I the only person that actually likes Lion?

Sure, it has some bugs, but come on, it just came out a few days ago. Once 10.7.1 is released, that should fix a lot of them.

The only feature I think is useless is Launchpad. I see that as more useful for the track-pad people as I prefer a mouse, so it doesn't really have a point for me.

I think the OS just needs to be optimized for speed and older hardware a bit more. I think once that happens, people will really enjoy the OS, but until a lot of the bugs are fixed, it's just gonna be a source of frustration for users.

 

[Mackilroy]

They are people that have to work with it. Lion is not even ready for a small office, just for internet with safari's crashes and mail with the nice IMAP bugs features. If you lucky you can visit some websites and maybe send some emails and pray that everything goes ok. This is the average consumer experience.

Funny, I can visit every site I ever visited under Snow Leopard without issue, and Mail 5 works just as well as Mail 4 did under Snow Leopard.

You should really stop assuming, especially as you were already biased against Lion before it was released.