Sorry, but Apple FAIL

[bLink-404]

My only complaint in lion so far is that in mission control, windows that are minimized does not show up.

That's because they already show in the Dock, and when you enter Mission Control, the Dock still appears.

Finder, I hate to have favorites on the top list on the sidebar I would like to put devices and shared on top of favorites.

Click and drag on the folders/devices to rearrange them. So you can click and drag Macintosh HD to the top of the favourites list for example.

Also I haven't found a settings to change my default view I would like to setup my default view as column view and also it would be nice to change the sort by option also and choose a default setting.

You can change all these options just like you could in previous OS versions; open a Finder window, click the cog wheel, click "Show view options".

 

[paulsalter]

Your todo reminder could have been implemented by the developer with push notifications.

could be wrong, but it seems like push only works if the app knows about the data

If I add an item into the app, yes I get a notification when the time occurs

If I app an item in my mac todo, the app in ios dosnt know about this item until I open the app to sync, then i will get the notification

 

[paulsalter]

Well you either haven't installed many apps, or don't recognise when it's multitasking. Skype works in the background, many download apps download files in the background, Air Video keeps playing video in the background while streaming to an AirPlay device, and Pandora keeps playing, and allows you to use the native iOS music controls to control playback – just to name a few of the more popular implementations.



In this particular case, the developer could have used push notifications in the app so that you don't need to even open the app at all; the reminder would get pushed from their server to your device without any intervention. Push notifications have been around for 2 years (even before Apple released multitasking), so it's quite surprising that the app in question doesn't have such functionality.

not talking about continue doing things in the background, talking about doing things when need in the background at any time

as you are talking about media apps

spotify stores things locally, if spotify is closed, could I set a playlist up in the desktop client and the ios app would automatically download this playlist without me opening the app

in principle is this type of thing possible

 

[CapnJackGig]

After a few days of using Mission Control, it's actually better than the old Expose (Spaces is still debatable).

Mission Control > pick > App Expose is way faster than sorting through 20+ windows scattered everywhere.

The fact that it doesnt show minimized apps makes your statement null and void.

 

[BaldiMac]

could be wrong, but it seems like push only works if the app knows about the data

If I add an item into the app, yes I get a notification when the time occurs

If I app an item in my mac todo, the app in ios dosnt know about this item until I open the app to sync, then i will get the notification

Nope. As long as you have turned on notifications in the app at some point, push notifications do not require the app to be running. For example, the AP sends breaking news alerts through push notifications. Once you have turned on push notifications in the app, you never have to open it again.

The fact that it doesnt show minimized apps makes your statement null and void.

That's not actually a fact, since Mission Control does show minimized apps in the dock.

 

[SwedeMac]

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After a few days of using Mission Control, it's actually better than the old Expose (Spaces is still debatable).

Mission Control > pick > App Expose is way faster than sorting through 20+ windows scattered everywhere.

The fact that it doesnt show minimized apps makes your statement null and void.

I really don't think its that bad that minimized apps stay minimized throughout the system. If you do wish to see apps that you for some reason needed to hide, opt for keeping them on a 2nd, 3rd or 4th desktop.

 

[cacososa]

Click and drag on the folders/devices to rearrange them. So you can click and drag Macintosh HD to the top of the favourites list for example.

Thanks for the tip but still if a connect an external drive it would show up on the devices section on the bottom part of the sidebar which I really dislike but I guess I have to get use to this. I still think is not that hard to offer an option to be able to customize the order of the sidebar.

You can change all these options just like you could in previous OS versions; open a Finder window, click the cog wheel, click "Show view options".

In snow leopard there was an option in view option to change all the folders to the current folder's option. Lion is missing this option!

 

[UraGraymalkin]

No doubt the sheep hurt by my truth-ness will hit the down button...

You do realize it's possible for someone to like something you don't, or disagree with you, without being a 'sheep' or a 'fanboy'?

Actually, since you think 'truth-ness' is a word, you probably don't. I'm not going to hit the down button because of your penetrating insights and faultless logic, don't worry. I'm going to do it because of your spelling...

off topic, but I hope multitasking is a new thing for os5

Having seen the hassles and battery chaos multitasking causes on Android I hope desperately Apple keep iOS' faux-multitasking exactly as it is...

 

[SwedeMac]

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Click and drag on the folders/devices to rearrange them. So you can click and drag Macintosh HD to the top of the favourites list for example.

Thanks for the tip but still if a connect an external drive it would show up on the devices section on the bottom part of the sidebar which I really dislike but I guess I have to get use to this. I still think is not that hard to offer an option to be able to customize the order of the sidebar.

You can change all these options just like you could in previous OS versions; open a Finder window, click the cog wheel, click "Show view options".

In snow leopard there was an option in view option to change all the folders to the current folder's option. Lion is missing this option!

Here's a guide for settings the same folder view for all directories

http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/ss/Setting-Finder-Views-For-Folders-And-Sub-Folders_4.htm

 

[bLink-404]

The fact that it doesnt show minimized apps makes your statement null and void.

Say what?

'Nuff said.

 

[bLink-404]

spotify stores things locally, if spotify is closed, could I set a playlist up in the desktop client and the ios app would automatically download this playlist without me opening the app

in principle is this type of thing possible

I'd say it is possible if you've launched the app and just kept it running in the background.

 

[paulsalter]

I'd say it is possible if you've launched the app and just kept it running in the background.

cool, thats what I wanted to hear, gonna look for some new apps later today

 

[tigres]

Click and drag on the folders/devices to rearrange them. So you can click and drag Macintosh HD to the top of the favourites list for example.



You can change all these options just like you could in previous OS versions; open a Finder window, click the cog wheel, click "Show view options".

What he is saying is we don't like the laundry list at the TOP of finder, and would like it at the bottom.

This, cannot be done. Nor can the device list (or any device) be dragged to the favorites section. It's hard coded.

I wan't Shared and Devices at the top- because at work I am constantly using these.

One last thing...
I connect to a shared folder on my server at work, and now it takes about a minute to connect and show folders (it's a simple webdav) but before on SL it took about 3-5 seconds. Can't seem to fix that.

 

[Heston]

First of all, everyone knows if you want a really smart and powerful OS you go to Windows.

For some reason this comment reminded me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHS3ci9H_Uc

 

[Heston]

Nope. As long as you have turned on notifications in the app at some point, push notifications do not require the app to be running. For example, the AP sends breaking news alerts through push notifications. Once you have turned on push notifications in the app, you never have to open it again.



That's not actually a fact, since Mission Control does show minimized apps in the dock.

The whole problem with the "not showing minimized windows" is not that they're in the dock, which I don't have to swipe my whole hand to find but instead move my mouse down or just divert my eyes to the dock that's already there. What the real problem is that when you have 8 different things open, 3 of which are minimized, you'd like some nice, clean way of showing everything in one place (which is the purpose of MISSION CONTROL). If this OS is supposedly made for the iOS crowd and someone's 80 y/o grandma, then she's not gonna be able to see the minimized icon in the far right corner when she tries to swipe with four arthritic fingers.

I get what Apple is trying to do. I really do. I just don't get the implementation of it.

 

[emaja]

I don't see minimized windows in MIssion Control. Maybe it is because I minimize the open windows to the app icon. I can only see the minimized windows if I swipe to see use App Exposé.

 

[ggg05a]

Also, I <3 how ticker symbol's complete names show up when one is in a space, and not only when in dashboard.

This is worse than the 10.5.2 fiasco on Core 2 MBPs.

 

[bLink-404]

What the real problem is that when you have 8 different things open, 3 of which are minimized, you'd like some nice, clean way of showing everything in one place (which is the purpose of MISSION CONTROL).

Firstly, when someone minimises application, the famous genie effect guides you where the app has been minimised to. That's the whole purpose of that animation. So I don't understand how you're saying people aren't "gonna be able to see the minimized icon in the far right corner". If grandma can't see that icon in the corner, maybe she has a far bigger problem.
Anyway, it's that much of a big deal for people, turn back on App Expose! Solved!

 

[bLink-404]

Also, I <3 how ticker symbol's complete names show up when one is in a space, and not only when in dashboard.

This is worse than the 10.5.2 fiasco on Core 2 MBPs.

What? I have had no issues with Dashboard. In fact, Dashboard has worked best in this OS.

f.uck this. Mail doesn't attach PDF's consistently. Drag and drop no longer works. I would GLADLY go back to SL. This is horrible.

Again, what? It works perfectly, consistently and with every file for me!

 

[thermodynamic]

Until Adobe and other companies patch their applications, many people won't be upgrading.

I went through this with Leopard->Snow Leopard.

Lion has a lot TO offer, but I suspected applications would break. Leopard->SL did, to a fairly minor extent all things considered... but I've read enough on Lion and its foibles to make me pinch myself as I thought I was reading about Windows, where each new release is guaranteed to have some major shtick...

 

[Hugh]

Ok hotshot, I figured out what the problem is thanks to your video.

It does NOT work in Firefox or Chrome. At all. It only works against Safari and "Apple apps".

Unfortunately, Safari is so far behind both of those browsers that it will never get used by me. And so the domino effect begins...no Safari, no dock full screen. No dock full screen, no full screen. No full screen, no Mission Control...since I'm not switching Desktops just to access the dock.

That it doesn't work in Firefox and Chrome isn't Apple's fault. It's up to the makers of the software to use the API. :/

Hugh

 

[SgtPepper12]

Well, I don't know about Lion. They removed some features I didn't use anyway and improved some of the apps I often use like Safari, Mail, iCal and so on. Mission Control does the same thing as Expose did, for me. The new scrollbars are okay for me, never used them anyway. The new scrolling is very good and far more natural than the old one. Fullscreen works but I don't see the benefit, so I don't use it. Never used resume so far, because I usually don't close any programs that I often use. I can imagine it to be very annoying though, because I want closed programs to be really closed.
Launchpad is the thing that pisses me off the most. There is just so much wrong with it. First, I don't even know why this feature is on a mac. We have a dock and we have an app folder. All of this works great on the mac, I never had any problems with it or just the slight feeling that it could be easier or faster. But the thing is, even if I would like to use it for some reason, it sucks. I never encountered software by Apple that is lacking so much thought. Did they even test it? I don't think so. It's like they ported it directly from the iPad and didn't adjust it to a mac at all. For example, creating folders. I actually like it the iOS way, just dragging an app over the other. But if you are dragging an app over an app that is the first of a row that app automatically moves to the last place of the row before that. Then you have to go all the way over to that app and if you are unlucky that app moves back to its original place. It's so annoying. It is not possible to drag more than just one app at a time. So assume you have two pages each half full. To make it simple you want all the apps of the second page on the first page. Yeah, you have to drag every single app over. Or deleting Apps. I mean, I have just two Apps that I can delete this way, but it takes so long. First I have to click and hold an App for a while and then I can click the "X"-Button. Why exactly do I have to do that? On a touch device I see it is a smart way to do it, but on my mac I have a lot of keys to press and a lot of space on the screen for a button or something. Or I could click on the App with two fingers, that's easy right? Well, apparently it is not iOS-like enough. So for me Launchpad is just a catastrophe in any way you can think of. It has just been added to make iOS users think "Oh, OS X is just like iOS, maybe I should buy a mac" but it fulfills no purpose whatsoever. That makes Lion an OS full of useless features that just exist to advertise and look good, not to make things easier. And I don't like it in Lion nor the tendency.
By the way, one of the multi touch gestures I used the most in SL was the three finger swipe to go back in the browser history. Is there any way to bring that back without having to install tweaks?

 

[ritmomundo]

Well, I don't know about Lion. They removed some features I didn't use anyway and improved some of the apps I often use like Safari, Mail, iCal and so on. Mission Control does the same thing as Expose did, for me. The new scrollbars are okay for me, never used them anyway. The new scrolling is very good and far more natural than the old one. Fullscreen works but I don't see the benefit, so I don't use it. Never used resume so far, because I usually don't close any programs that I often use. I can imagine it to be very annoying though, because I want closed programs to be really closed.
Launchpad is the thing that pisses me off the most. There is just so much wrong with it. First, I don't even know why this feature is on a mac. We have a dock and we have an app folder. All of this works great on the mac, I never had any problems with it or just the slight feeling that it could be easier or faster. But the thing is, even if I would like to use it for some reason, it sucks. I never encountered software by Apple that is lacking so much thought. Did they even test it? I don't think so. It's like they ported it directly from the iPad and didn't adjust it to a mac at all. For example, creating folders. I actually like it the iOS way, just dragging an app over the other. But if you are dragging an app over an app that is the first of a row that app automatically moves to the last place of the row before that. Then you have to go all the way over to that app and if you are unlucky that app moves back to its original place. It's so annoying. It is not possible to drag more than just one app at a time. So assume you have two pages each half full. To make it simple you want all the apps of the second page on the first page. Yeah, you have to drag every single app over. Or deleting Apps. I mean, I have just two Apps that I can delete this way, but it takes so long. First I have to click and hold an App for a while and then I can click the "X"-Button. Why exactly do I have to do that? On a touch device I see it is a smart way to do it, but on my mac I have a lot of keys to press and a lot of space on the screen for a button or something. Or I could click on the App with two fingers, that's easy right? Well, apparently it is not iOS-like enough. So for me Launchpad is just a catastrophe in any way you can think of. It has just been added to make iOS users think "Oh, OS X is just like iOS, maybe I should buy a mac" but it fulfills no purpose whatsoever. That makes Lion an OS full of useless features that just exist to advertise and look good, not to make things easier. And I don't like it in Lion nor the tendency.
By the way, one of the multi touch gestures I used the most in SL was the three finger swipe to go back in the browser history. Is there any way to bring that back without having to install tweaks?

Sorry, I only really skimmed your post (or WoT), but in answer to your very last question, go into trackpad settings>more gestures>in the drop down menu of the first tick, select "swipe with 3 fingers"

 

[Reach9]

That's not my point. The Applications folder, when docked, does basically the EXACT SAME THING as Launchpad, just without looking like an iPad. Creating functionality where none was needed.



Dude, seriously? Are you seriously not seeing how absolutely ludicrous it is that people have to develop third party apps to do basic functionality? IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. If you want to offer that stuff as options for those who want to try something new, fine, do that, but DEFAULT IT TO THE WAY IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN.



You're being herded. That's what sheep do.

I use the dock because it's the best way for me to work. I can tell from the dock which apps are running, what my unread count is, what windows are open, etc; without having to go to three different places or "swipe" around. I simply move my mouse to the dock and click on what I want. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

1. I know that Launchpad and the Application folder do the same thing. But the Launchpad is more accessible when you're in full screen mode, or practically anywhere. It's an alternative, that's what is. Launchpad isn't stopping you from being productive, so it's not a negative. Just turn the damn thing off and do your work, you won't see it again.

2. Apple didn't come built in with a robust To-Do list. Boohoo. So that's why i look into 3rd party apps. Are you expecting Apple to make an OS that specifically fits your needs? You're living in a fool's world then dude. The default is fine, but it doesn't work for me. It works for some people. That's the beauty of 3rd party apps. If Apple made every single damn thing properly, then many 3rd party apps wouldn't even exist.

Even if the default isn't fine for me. What else would i do? Come onto this forum and complain about how Apple messed up? Complain about something i can easily fix with a free 3rd party tool? Oh right..

Apple doesn't make custom-OS for everyone. But the great thing is that you can customize it to your own liking.

3. I'm not being herded. I see the logic behind what Apple is doing, and Launchpad makes perfect sense. You want to check your dock? Go into Mission Control while in full screen mode. Problem solved.
Full screen mode isn't made for you to go through your dock, it's to focus specifically on one app only.

Really, a few seconds here and there won't kill you, learn to adapt, or just don't upgrade.

lets be honest. if OS X Lion came with a bar of gold, someone here would find a reason to complain. If OS X came with a dead horse, someone here would still defend Apple's decision.

while I don't like a lot of features in Lion (and I do like others), I'm glad theres a built-in way to turn those features off. they're not forcing anything on us (mostly), but rather giving us variety and allowing us to compute the way we choose. if you don't like to scroll down, you can scroll up. if you don't like the dock or applications stack, you can use launchpad. if you don't like moving the mouse, you can use gestures. I, for one, am beginning to appreciate the variety of choices we're being given...

Exactly.