Sorry, but Apple FAIL

[bushido]

heres an idea, just dont use launchpad and let people who actually find it useful have it ...

i never used iChat, Chess or Automator on my snow leopard either yet i dont complain about it being there.

people have their "but it used to be that way" attitude so far up their asses that we'd still be running OS9 or Win 98 on a 4:9 desktop if those people were in charge. it's something called software evolution and development

 

[adder7712]

Why are you still using PPC applications?

That's the bigger question.

 

[CapnJackGig]

Launchpad - lame, but easy to ignore and never use

Mission Control - an unnecessary and completely inferior followup to Spaces. Unfortunately it's not possible to ignore it and simply use the far superior Spaces from Leopard.

Defaulting the OS to use a swipe method that only works with one program (Safari) - idiotic beyond words

Safari's memory leaking - ugh

 

[alerus]

Not liking the new features doesn't mean it's a bad OS.

I understand, and respect the fact that you might not like the new features, but so what? Dont use them then. Apple didn't take any functionality away with Lion. How was SL so much more usuable than Lion is?

How I wish that were true. However, they *did* take away functionality. Mission Control has bastardized expose and spaces.

Mission control is great, i don't know how many times i used to go into Expose in Snow Leopard and i had to look around for the window i wanted. I asked "if only there was a way to sort by apps" and Mission Control delivered.

This wasn't difficult at all to do with the previous OSs. There were two main ways of evaluating the windows by app in 10.6. One was to click and hold on the app icon in the doc. The other is to hit application expose and cmd-tab through the apps (or cmd-tab and then select the app with your mouse from the app hud that cmd-tab brings even).

 

[Mackilroy]

How I wish that were true. However, they *did* take away functionality. Mission Control has bastardized expose and spaces.

For you. For me Mission Control under Lion is just as easy and convenient as Spaces under Snow Leopard was. No functionality gone for me.

 

[carinatauk]

I haven't tried Lion in it's entirety but I have had to revert back to Snow Leopard because it fails to be "friendly"; by this I mean, originally my AFP access to my NAS failed, now it's just the TimeMachine element. Sonos won't work without a "workaround". Too many things haven't been thought out properly; yes, the likes of Sonos and the all the NAS manufacturers were caught out but how hard is it to communicate with these guys during the development process and not just when testing occurs?

I am a new Mac convert, I converted because I liked the OS, quality and ease at which things worked. I am really concerned that the direction Apple are going and the "control" they seem to be exerting over the App store and software. They need to careful, else there will only be a few 3rd party software companies that will continue to offer anything different in the future; regrettably that will diminish the attractiveness of the brand to new users, business and techy typre folks.

To me this is Apple's Vista; lacking hardware support is fundamentally a crime when you launch a new OS. It's a shame but I am sure once all the issues have been ironed out I will try again

 

[Celeron]

I haven't tried Lion in it's entirety but I have had to revert back to Snow Leopard because it fails to be "friendly"; by this I mean, originally my AFP access to my NAS failed, now it's just the TimeMachine element. Sonos won't work without a "workaround". Too many things haven't been thought out properly; yes, the likes of Sonos and the all the NAS manufacturers were caught out but how hard is it to communicate with these guys during the development process and not just when testing occurs?

How is it Apple's fault that your gear, which is made by a THIRD PARTY, doesn't work with Lion? You do know these companies are not owned and operated by Apple and that it is up to them to do the work, not Apple, right? Also, many large companies have to prioritize their development efforts. They can't simply spin up resources on a beta version of an OS that can and likely does change before the final release. That would be money, time, and resources wasted.

 

[Lykos1986]

I can’t say that Lion is a FAIL! It is a good operating system with so many new features. I just believe that Apple release the final version a little bit soon. You can find so many bugs inside Apps and in general inside the core of the OS.

So, I will say that I really like the Lion and I hope that in the 10.7.1 or at least at the 10.7.2 Apple will fix all the problems. If after the 10.7.2 we still have those ridiculous bugs then I will write a huge FAIL for my review.

And I hope the 10.7.1 will release before the end of August! Otherwise it will be to late…

 

[iGrouch]

Feedback!!!

Everyone should send their feedback to Apple:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

They won't see what you write hear, though it is good to share experiences. If Apple gets enough feedback it can, and has done in the past, persuaded them to listen.

They may row back sometime......in the next update or..... in 10.8/10.9

 

[alerus]

For you. For me Mission Control under Lion is just as easy and convenient as Spaces under Snow Leopard was. No functionality gone for me.

If you used Expose and Spaces in a way that the lost functionality hasn't affected you, then that's great for you. It doesn't change the reality that there *is* lost functionality though; that is the point. I was specifically responding to the claim that nothing has been taking away from anyone, which is false.

 

[Reach9]

Really? Some of these points make no sense, and it seems like an excuse to bash the new OS.

Launchpad.. what is it? Another way to view your apps. Does it make sense to use the Application folder, Launchpad, and Spotlight? Nope. So Launchpad has replaced my Application folder, and is honestly much better.
Launchpad is just an alternative, if you don't want to use it, then don't. I don't understand the argument "why should i use Launchpad when i have the Application folder?" the same thing could be said about Spotlight right? "why should i use the Application folder when i can just Spotlight the app i'm looking for in just a few letters?"

Mission control is great, i don't know how many times i used to go into Expose in Snow Leopard and i had to look around for the window i wanted. I asked "if only there was a way to sort by apps" and Mission Control delivered.

Resume and Auto-save are god sent for anyone who deals with documents on the regular. I actually turn off my MacBook Pro now (which i should've been doing before) because i know that when i turn it back on, all my apps will be there just like how i left them. I killed my battery life by not turning off my Mac with Snow Leopard.

Gestures. They are new and hard to do. That's why there's BetterTouchTool. I have brought back the "Four finger swipe up to show desktop" and "Four finger swipe down for Expose (Mission control)" and a ton of other custom ones i made up.
Scrolling, that is up to personal preference. I hated the "natural" way, but after using it for a while i've gotten used to it.

Full-screen apps are god sent for my 13" MacBook Pro. I use it every time.

You guys can customize the OS to the way you want to use it, you don't have to use it just like how Apple sets it out to be in default. For example, i removed Launchpad and Mission control and they became accessible through finger gestures.
It's like complaining "why did Apple put iMovie on my dock by default? I never use it!", hope you're getting the point.

I'm not a fan, i just use common sense.

Did i expect a lot from Lion? Yes i did, and i was disappointed by what i got. However, i'm still very pleased with the OS.

In all honesty, i feel like this is like a Clouded Snow Leopard instead of a Lion. Apart from launchpad and the change with Mission Control and full screen apps, it's really not that different from Snow Leopard.

I feel all these changes are negligible, and Mission Control is something what i wanted for a very long time. Spaces still lives as "Desktops", so i'm not understanding why the complain?

 

[stuartmack1974]

Remember Jobs Mobile Me 'we got it wrong' speech? Hes rewriting it for Lion. Well said that man who said we dont have live inside Apple's back passage. When they do it good, they do it oh so good. But Lion is infantile, incredibly buggy and represents a company in a state of flux between toys and computers.

No offence but i think there are a LOT of fanboys on here (watch me get removed now!) hence the poll results. Scan the web, Lion is sucking with sssoooo many big style.

The more i use mission control, the more i feel like putting my fist through my macbook.

Vista indeed.

 

[bioeye]

This is what I just saw when I opened up Mission Control:

 

[iVeBeenDrinkin']

Remember Jobs Mobile Me 'we got it wrong' speech? Hes rewriting it for Lion. Well said that man who said we dont have live inside Apple's back passage. When they do it good, they do it oh so good. But Lion is infantile, incredibly buggy and represents a company in a state of flux between toys and computers.

No offence but i think there are a LOT of fanboys on here (watch me get removed now!) hence the poll results. Scan the web, Lion is sucking with sssoooo many big style.

The more i use mission control, the more i feel like putting my fist through my macbook.

Vista indeed.

If you hate it so much, why don't you spend less time complaining on the internet about it, and more time restoring SL?

 

[Reach9]

Remember Jobs Mobile Me 'we got it wrong' speech? Hes rewriting it for Lion. Well said that man who said we dont have live inside Apple's back passage. When they do it good, they do it oh so good. But Lion is infantile, incredibly buggy and represents a company in a state of flux between toys and computers.

No offence but i think there are a LOT of fanboys on here (watch me get removed now!) hence the poll results. Scan the web, Lion is sucking with sssoooo many big style.

The more i use mission control, the more i feel like putting my fist through my macbook.

Vista indeed.

What about mission control do you not like?

This is what I just saw when I opened up Mission Control:

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Yeah it's a glitch. Its happened to me once as well. Happens on a lot of x.0 upgrades.

 

[srf4real]

Man you guys are making me wonder if my new mini is going to be a pain in the butt to navigate. I don't want an os for phones and other toys mucking up my workstation.. But do I regret the purchase? NOT!

 

[revelated]

When you boil it down, here is the reason why some of us (And I do stress SOME of us) are hot and bothered about what Lion brings. Mind, I have not and will not upgrade my Pro or my iMac to Lion. I just bought the 2011 Air that had it installed, and this is a clean install. I can only imagine the chaos with my existing computers. Some of you Jobsians are so busy defending what Apple has done that you're not stopping to think...really think...about what you're saying. This is common with Apple overfans...doesn't matter what Jobs tries to change, you convince yourself that it's the right thing because it's change. Even if said change is just not necessary. "Just don't use it!!!" is not a valid answer. Here's why.

• LaunchPad: What an absolute cluster. If this isn't proof that this OS is destined for a tablet in the future I don't know what is. I might not mind it so much if it weren't for the fact that the Applications folder serves the exact same purpose when added to the Dock. This is an example of a useless feature...something added for the hell of it when it wasn't needed.
• Mission Control: Those who say it's only a Spaces replacement, that's just not true. It's an unholy hybrid of Spaces and Exposé, quite clearly. It feels like a step in the right direction, but the current implementation has absolutely inane approaches. Why don't minimized apps show up? Why do the top Desktop boxes only show the name when you have 5 or less, otherwise you have to hover over them? Why can't you do your own naming of Desktops if the app doesn't support it in full screen (i.e. Firefox)? Why are you forced to go full screen to get law and order with the windows (see screenshot above for the chaos)?
• Gestures are all over the place. If the true intent is to blend iOS and Mac OS then why did they remove pinch to zoom in Finder? Seems to me they would have left that in there since it is an iOS-like feature. AN example of an illogical change.
• Why is it when you have your Dock on the left or the right, it doesn't show up in full screen mode at all? You're forced to have it on the bottom. It's the same damn Dock, why is it different depending on where it is? Also, I did notice when it was on the bottom, sometimes it doesn't respond when you go to the bottom and hover, you have to do it repeatedly for it to show up. Seems like an overall halfassed implementation to me.
• The default Finder window - MY GOD, what was Apple thinking? "All My Files" is a disaster. No way to get to the HD, as though Apple wants the user to not care about their HD and just rely on shortcuts to get to "common" places. What about non-common places? I don't store my VMs in my folder, I store it at the root, because they need to be accessible to all users without sharing. In Apple's world, I should ignore this? I spent way too much time in the Finder Preferences fixing this chaos.
• During my flight home, I ran across websites that saw Lion's Safari as a mobile browser and they refused to let me redirect to a desktop page. Now, that might have been a fluke of the mobile broadband that GoGo uses; not sure. But it was unnerving. Even my phone didn't do that.

Working in technology as I do I appreciate all-too-well what Apple wants. They want more customers. I get it. The problem is they don't need to do hybrid unholy pairings. They've got iOS; keep it for the iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch. They've got Mac OS; keep it for MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, Mac Mini, iMac, and whatever server they decide to carry. There is NOTHING wrong with having two operating systems, one for each type of device. If you've got Grandma who doesn't understand a desktop OS then don't get her one; get her an iPad. If you've got people like me who develop and do hard coding then I don't expect to see dumbed-down interfaces in my OS. That's just how I see it. Doesn't matter that "you don't have to use them!!!!11!" I don't want them there. Fix what's broken in Mac OS.

So far the only real improvement with Lion over Snow Leopard has been the ability to indiscriminately resize windows from any corner. One refinement is NOT good.

 

[Fraaaa]

They removed that? Awesome.

No more pinch to zoom in Finder.

Epic fail.

I know right? It was unbelievably annoying. I hated it when it would resize the icons when I would just accidentally brush two fingers trying to find something.

That's a Godsend. I personally sent a feedback to Apple about it.

Man you guys are making me wonder if my new mini is going to be a pain in the butt to navigate. I don't want an os for phones and other toys mucking up my workstation.. But do I regret the purchase? NOT!

Good thing that Apple has: Apple Store. You can go there and try any product out. And still you can send your product back if you don't like it.

You can turn most of the feature off, and ignore some other if you won't like it.

You have nothing to worry about. Enjoy your mini

 

[b.lam]

So far the only real improvement with Lion over Snow Leopard has been the ability to indiscriminately resize windows from any corner. One refinement is NOT good.

This is so true! I could have lived with the rest, wouldn't there have been much more problems (desktop freezes after reboot, chirping noise from CPU board when idle). Therefore I switched back my Mac Pro to SL.

Thanks Apple for taking approximately 10 hours of my lifetime. Lion is (in my opinion) the worst .0 release of any OSX release so far.

 

[Fraaaa]

This is what I just saw when I opened up Mission Control:

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Lion has been out for few days, you have to give the developers some time.

I remind you how exposè was when it came out, and how it was later in SL.

 

[Lykos1986]

This is what I just saw when I opened up Mission Control:

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Hehe! Exactly the same is happening to me a few times! I don’t know why….

 

[revelated]

Hehe! Exactly the same is happening to me a few times! I don’t know why….

I do.

Mission Control will NOT properly organize apps that are not in full screen mode. Even if they're maximized, it just paper stacks them like in that screenshot. You HAVE to send them to full screen mode in order for them to be tiled out correctly.

I don't consider that a defect like some are saying; that feels intentional.

On a side note I found another clearly intentional, yet detrimental, change: They screwed the pooch with TextEdit. While a small app I used it for a lot of things, mostly notes when out at customer sites. Instead of a simple "Save" and "Save As" command, they have meshed them into a "Save Version" command. I don't mind the Versioning, but it should be an option, not mandatory. The "Save As" command helped if I were writing something and wanted to copy it over to a new file for a different purpose. Now I have to take an additional step by either doing Duplicate and then Save or copying the file from Finder. Added complexity with no real value.

 

[b.lam]

I remind you how exposè was when it came out, and how it was later in SL.

In my opinion, Leopards exposé was better than SL. Mission control is crap, because it favors mostly fullscreen apps. Unfortunately I don't want a fullscreen mail, browser or calendar with a 23" display.

Mission control, launchpad and many of the other changes are focused on small laptop screens where these changes do make sense. But not for a workstation setup.

 

[Fraaaa]

In my opinion, Leopards exposé was better than SL. Mission control is crap, because it favors mostly fullscreen apps. Unfortunately I don't want a fullscreen mail, browser or calendar with a 23" display.

Mission control, launchpad and many of the other changes are focused on small laptop screens where these changes do make sense. But not for a workstation setup.

Because those 4 apps are the only four that support the full-screen feature right? There are other apps that could/will benefit of full-screen and there are way better that way. Especially creative apps. Aperture, Final Cut, Adobe software and so on.
And having through swipe between two full screen apps is awesome, because I don't have to return it as a window to see other windows beneath.

How exposè in Leopard was better than SL? Because with many apps was a complete mess.

 

[b.lam]

Because those 4 apps are the only four that support the full-screen feature right? There are other apps that could/will benefit of full-screen and there are way better that way. Especially creative apps. Aperture, Final Cut, Adobe software and so on.
And having through swipe between two full screen apps is awesome, because I don't have to return it as a window to see other windows beneath.

How exposè in Leopard was better than SL? Because with many apps was a complete mess.

For me, Leopard exposé worked better because I could identify the window to which I wanted to switch to much faster. This might not be the case for everyone, but it was for me. Mission control now does not even replicate the current state of the window correct. E.g. a browser window (I use Firefox) is always shown scrolled to the top even if you scrolled down to the end of the page.

You might be right with your statement that the number of applications enabled for full screen is currently quite small and the workflow will change as soon as further apps support this feature. However I find the fact that this feature is so much focused around full screen apps whilst removing the previous Exposé behavior completely quite disturbing. It simply does not work out for me and the way I work on the desktop. I have a Mac Pro workstation mainly due to expandability and CPU/GPU power.