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and as such as I pointed out the entire argument you made is worthless. The infomatoin is not useful for your argument at any more than pixal count. With out defining how they decided what each screen size up up the group it is worthless for screen size.

4" is going to fall in the normal area. No way in Hell is normal going to be under 4". I would not be surprised in the least if normal has moved up to 4-4.3". Try to find me popular android phones with a screen size under 4" good luck because you will need it.

The fact that you some how believe that 4" falls into large on on the chart also tells me you do not understand that chart and screen sizes.

Not sure what you are arguing with here. As I pointed out, my original assumption was wrong. However, instead of ranting based on your own incorrect assumptions, please read the additional information on the site.
 
so you make a new view for 4in?

Really no Apple could keep it as iPhone view. A 4in phone would use the exact same aspect ratio. It just increases the size of the apps made just fine. It would be a non issue.
Are you not understanding that?

I didn't think you were saying that. If they did that, then there would be no changes.
 
PCMag & CNET had polls and a bigger screen was the top want so it's not just his poll, theres a few others too, just google it, not saying everyone wants a bigger screen but the demand for one certainly doesn't seem to be low
 
PCMag & CNET had polls and a bigger screen was the top want so it's not just his poll, theres a few others too, just google it, not saying everyone wants a bigger screen but the demand for one certainly doesn't seem to be low

Indeed. There were also a lot of rumors of the next iPhone having a bigger screen. And when it didn't have a bigger screen, a lot of people were upset. That is why I'm sure the next iPhone will have a bigger screen because a lot of people will be upset.
 
Just to clarify the Android normal/large screen size 'debate' that's going on, the link entitled "Supporting Multiple Screens"(http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/screens_support.html) from the originally-linked page shows this:
screens-ranges.png
 
why would the larger screen result in fragmentation of the iOS ecosystem?

I agree, why can't they just add black bars, or enlarge the image with interpolation? Just like the retina display, the transition was smooth and caused no issues. Sure, the retina display was easy since it was a multiple of 2 in both dimensions, but you can resize anything a few pixels and no one will notice. Just because older devices have smaller screens, that shouldn't stand in the way of progress.
 
Case closed! :rolleyes:

Sorry, did you need additional explanation? He acknowledged that self selected polls such as the one he posted do not apply to a population outside of the participants in the poll, but argued that the self selected poll that he posted applies to all iPhone users.
 
I want the bigger screen....but don't like the sound of crappy battery life. The iphone 4S has a smaller screen and is thicker....and is experiencing battery issues. So thinner with a bigger screen doesn't bode well for battery life. Hope thats not the case.

But then Apple has tons of time to work out any issues since the iphone 5 probably won't debut until July to September next year. :p
 
Sorry, did you need additional explanation? He acknowledged that self selected polls such as the one he posted do not apply to a population outside of the participants in the poll, but argued that the self selected poll that he posted applies to all iPhone users.

I was being sarcastic ;) I agree that his polls are rubbish when gauging the bigger picture of the market.
 
Either the resolution would be the same, resulting in larger controls and lower pixel density, or developers would need to redo their apps to optimize them for the new resolution in order to maintain a pixel perfect interface.

Wel, there's an elegant solution to it.
Make that 4" screen, and give it the same amount of pixels the iPad 1 has.
1024x768 instead of 960x640
That would mean that all the apps that are written for an iPad 1 are compatible for the iPhone 5. ;)

(and the iPhone 5 than had an even higher screen resolution, not much, but still :p)
(and it would just not be HD :( just not 720x1080)
 
I am sure we will have 20 rounds of these rumors, does it have to be this early?
 
Ill state my opinion. I think this is ridicules! I think it’s hideous, especially compared to what would come out after the iPhone 4 design. I just don’t think Apple would ever come out with something that looks like that. I feel they’re going to (iPhone 6) get rid of the home button (or change it drastically in some way), and equalize the bezel like the iPad, but make the bezel smaller, keep it a flat back, glass, and aluminum sides. This would allow for the bigger screen without making the overall phone much bigger, and also would make it able to be thinner due to the overall slightly larger size. Also, keep in mind that there waiting this long for the redesign, and they didn’t redesign the iPad yet, plus that it’s been said that they are going to “completely overhaul” main Apple lineup. Maybe it was an actual prototype, but nothing that they would of ever released. Take that! Woo! I feel better… :cool:;):D:apple:
 
Sorry, did you need additional explanation? He acknowledged that self selected polls such as the one he posted do not apply to a population outside of the participants in the poll, but argued that the self selected poll that he posted applies to all iPhone users.

Let's say if I make a poll and ask random people a question. That poll doesn't apply to people who didn't participate. See? Same is said about any poll.
 
This doesn't really add up.

E.g.,
* the screen size is a strategic decision that would have been made early in the process. If the main objection to the design of the 5 was that Steven didn't agree with the screen size, there wouldn't have been any plans to "scrap".
* the 4s could have had a 10MP camera as easily as the 5 -- so why did the 4s get less?
* The 4s got the "much faster hardware" but the battery life is good (well, there are bugs, but for the people not affected by the bugs, the battery life is good). So that doesn't really make sense.

This sounds like poorly rehashed old rumors.
I'm sure a 4" iPhone 5 was considered to some degree, and I'd bet 4" prototypes of various sorts exist deep within Apple's R&D labs... but these particular details and the idea that the iPhone 5 *had* been slated for release but was scrapped doesn't seem right.
 
This rumor was not worth reporting on this site. Anyone could have made up that crap in 30 seconds, and most of it doesn't even sound logical. I highly doubt it has any accuracy to it.
 
Capacitive buttons, I really hate them. Come one, if there's one button on the iPhone, make it real at least! And if it has to be capacitive, then just remove it, and add the functionality to a multi-touch gesture or something… We're physical beings, we enjoy the satisfaction from physical interaction, such as pressing buttons (which is as much physical interaction we get from devices nowadays).

As for the screen size, why would it cause fragmentation? Did the iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPhone 4 resolutions all cause that much fragmentation? You can't expect to run the same stuff on an iPad as on an iPhone, obviously, but that's totally normal. However, I'm sure that a slightly taller or wider screen, even with a different aspect ratio, wouldn't cause many problems. For Safari, for example, it would not change the size of the elements in the top and bottom of the screen, it would just reveal more of the page, just like resizing a window in OS X today. As for games with special graphics, they would just slowly transition, and the image could be enlarged with a bit of interpolation during the transition period.
 
I agree, why can't they just add black bars, or enlarge the image with interpolation? Just like the retina display, the transition was smooth and caused no issues. Sure, the retina display was easy since it was a multiple of 2 in both dimensions, but you can resize anything a few pixels and no one will notice. Just because older devices have smaller screens, that shouldn't stand in the way of progress.

"no one will notice"

Seems to work for Apple's competition...
 
This sounds like utter and complete ********, not presenting a single hint of insight apart from all the cliched, aggregated bullet points rumor sites ahve been voimiting out for months.

- 4-inch screen
- Aluminum back
- Capacitive home button
- "Flatter" form factor
- Much faster than current hardware, but poor battery life
- 10-megapixel rear camera
- Siri prototype known as "Assistant", which had been the rumored name for the feature until its introduction

1st 3 points are nothing new.
- Much faster than current hardware? How? Why? How could it have been significantly faster than the hardware inside the 4S? It's already pretty much faster than anything out there right now. The GPU still blows everything away. Did Apple have a secret A6 chip? Makes no sense. Idiotic statement.

- Why a 10 megapixel camera? The 4S is widely considered to have the best camera on a mobile device. Oh right, it's for the iPhone 5 not the 4S, or it arbitrarily must have 2 more megapixels, just because. Again, sounds like ********.

Oh, and fragmentation? Apple could have kept the resolution the same with the 4in, it would have remained one of the highest DPI screens on the market. No need to fragment anything. 960x640 is still impressive for a 4in screen.

Yeah, this report is link-bait garbage. Even in the one in a million chance this guy DID play with a prototype, I'd guess he would have had to sign one hell of an NDA, which he'd be breaking by 'revealing' this info.
 
I agree, why can't they just add black bars, or enlarge the image with interpolation? Just like the retina display, the transition was smooth and caused no issues. Sure, the retina display was easy since it was a multiple of 2 in both dimensions, but you can resize anything a few pixels and no one will notice. Just because older devices have smaller screens, that shouldn't stand in the way of progress.

It worked fine for the retina display because all elements stayed the same size. If a 4" display came out, resizing things to fill the screen would mean elements, such as buttons etc are bigger. Would almost defeat the purpose of having a bigger screen, if all elements just became bigger.

Though I do wonder if they'd just release the iPhone 5 in black, so when 3.5" apps are loaded, there is black bars (i.e. it isn't upscaled) but because the front of the device is black, it wouldn't look so bad.

The discussions we're having about this are probably similar to what Steve Jobs once had with his team. Minus a few "f-you's" of course.
 
It worked fine for the retina display because all elements stayed the same size. If a 4" display came out, resizing things to fill the screen would mean elements, such as buttons etc are bigger. Would almost defeat the purpose of having a bigger screen, if all elements just became bigger.

Though I do wonder if they'd just release the iPhone 5 in black, so when 3.5" apps are loaded, there is black bars (i.e. it isn't upscaled) but because the front of the device is black, it wouldn't look so bad.

The discussions we're having about this are probably similar to what Steve Jobs once had with his team. Minus a few "f-you's" of course.

Yeah, but none of them lissent to me…
I've said that there's an elegant solution to it.

Make that 4" screen, and give it the same amount of pixels the iPad 1 has.
1024x768 instead of 960x640
That would mean that all the apps that are written for an iPad 1 are compatible for the iPhone 5.

(and the iPhone 5 than had an even higher screen resolution, not much, but still :p)
(and it would just not be HD just not 720x1080)
 
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