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The Last Jedi's story -

The Resistance are running out of gas because The First Order can track them through light speed. Finn and Rose go to Canto Bight to find a code breaker. When they finally saw him, they get put in jail for a parking violation! LOL! They meet DJ who ends up betraying them.

TESB was two movies happening where Han, Leia, Chewie, and Threepio had to hide in Cloud City and Luke and Artoo went to Dagobah to meet Yoda. Rian basically put the Hoth scene at the end. It was a POINTLESS endeavor just like the Finn & Rose mission was all for naught. I simply didn't understand that whole ending sequence.

Luke Skywalker was more The Dude from The Big Lebowski than acting like the last Jedi. Like Grace Randolph was saying, I have always been more of a Batman / Han Solo fan than a Superman / Luke Skywalker fan. In this film, Mark Hamill was joking more like Mark Hamill and was acting less like Luke. I was hoping to put Luke in my Top 5 favs below Obi-Wan and Rian's writing prevented that from happening. His exit was awful.

"Jakku is nowhere."
"The Jedi must end."
"See ya around, kid."

Luke was out of character. There is no way he would think about killing Ben in his sleep. If he could see the good in Vader, how come he couldn't with Ben but Rey could? And in the big finale, he didn't have to die. The only part I like from the ending was watching Mark interact with Carrie for the final time. We get this one big showdown with Kylo and Luke where holo-Luke doesn't attack him once. But during the flashback scene, he was ready to murder him while his nephew slept?

Even brushing his shoulder which still drew a laugh from me is not something Luke would do. That's more Mark. Luke was never really funny in SW. I never laughed at anything Luke ever said. Then for the finale, he decides to become a fart in the wind. No wonder Mark didn't agree with Rian at anything with Luke's character. For over 30+ years, we waited for the legendary Jedi Master to return and do some thing awesome. We waited for nothing until his grand exit was farting his way into a Force ghost.

Kylo Ren is not some complicated character. He's a joke. All his motives are wrong. Rey never even had a father to help raise her. Her parents were junk traders that sold her off for drinking money. Yet, he kills daddy. Was going to kill mama. No prisoners he said. Wanted every gun fired at uncle. More, more, more, he said. Worse than Joffrey Baratheon. Did Joffrey have Uncle Tyrion killed off? Did he kill Robert or Cersei? You know who is a great character with many layers to him? Joffrey's real dad.. Jaime fookin' Lannister!

If compared to other franchise sequels like The Transformers, The Pirates Of The Caribbean, The Last Jedi is a good movie. Better than The Force Awakens. For a Star Wars film in the saga, not so. I think most of the people praising it grew up on the prequels or enjoyed The Force Awakens. Haven't seen it enough to see the flaws. Most of the backlash is from hardcore fans that grew up and loved the OT the most.

I don't personally hate TLJ. It kept me engaged twice now. Better than most typical blockbuster stuff. AOTC is still the worst SW film although that probably had the potential to have the best story except the execution was done so poorly. The Lost Twenty was interesting. Things that some others would say bothered them about TLJ didn't bother me at all. It's how the four main and most important characters in this film were portrayed.

Critics = casual
Fans = hardcore

Throne room scene which is the main highlight of the TLJ isn't all that the second time you watch it. It wasn't even close at being the best lightsaber battle. Those fans saying like they say Kylo Ren is a complicated character are noobs and females. Director Krennic was more interesting than Kylo Ren. Kylo was getting strangled by a guard until Rey threw a lightsaber to him. In TFA, Kylo was able to freeze a lazer shot and Rey. Why didn't he just Force freeze Rey during that scene when they went for the lightsaber? No sense.

Like I said prior, the 3 mins of Darth Vader in Rogue One surpassed any scene I saw from The Last Jedi. Vader is Vader. I understood his reasons on why he went to Dark side. I don't understand Kylo's and I will never support him whether he goes back to the light or stays evil. Terrible character. Shallow character to help sell toys to teenage boys who thinks he looks bad***.
 



Killing off Luke Skywalker is the biggest mistake in film history.

Maybe Kathleen Kennedy and other producers told Rian Johnson "If you kill off Luke we will give you your own trilogy" then I can maybe see why it happened. Otherwise **** off Rian Johnson.
 
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So finding Luke Skywalker (the great hope of Episode7) to turn things around for the new rebellion was a pipe dream. Why do you think this carrot was dangled before the audience?

Did he teach Rey anything, except maybe give her some perspective about how to fail? You went to the dark! Rey: I got nothing from you! And his one real contribution, before he bowed out was to distract Kylo Ren so the tattered remains of the Rebellion, a couple dozen people it seemed, could run away to fight another day. And the hope offered at the end of the movie are young children dreaming of being Luke Skywalker? Did anyone find it poignant that Luke died basically a broken Jedi?

And what do you think about Yoda’s appearance and message: Luke, look at how well things are going. Who needs an organization designed to influence and train force capable individuals towards the light and away from the darkness. Rey doesn’t need any training, she’s amazing.. Forget about it, let’s burn these stupid books.

Btw, who lit the ancient Jedi Texts on fire? Was that spirit Yoda?

Maybe now I’m realizing why Mark Hamill’s performance was lackluster, he was unhappy with his part of the script. In the top video listed in post 113, he said referencing the studio view “oh, if it made money, it must be good.”
The books got lifted by Rey. On the Falcon.
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Well I mean the ship couldn't have possibly worked after being under water so long.
Not without R2/BB-8 to fix it!
 
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Having just seen the movie today, these are my thoughts:
  • I had no real expectations, so I was surprised to find I was more disappointed than I thought I would be
  • Most of the scenes were obvious (and poor) ripoffs and rehashing of themes from previous movies, particularly Empire and Return
  • The acting was poor and uninspired, especially with Leia and Luke, but all others as well
  • The action was dull without any real moments of tension, and consequently I was never emotionally invested in any character or event
  • As stated by others, Kylo is nothing more than an emo twit and does not project menace or strike fear, Vader would be ashamed
  • Snoke was cartoonish compared to the Emperor and dumber than dirt
  • I didn't care that Luke died and Leia should have died too
  • Yoda's appearance and contribution was unnecessary and a distraction
Furthermore...
  • I wish the whole franchise had ended after Return of the Jedi without any of the prequels or other movies (except maybe Rogue One)
  • This would have allowed our imaginations to fill in all the blanks instead of cementing the past and futures of the characters
  • IF (big if) additional movies had to be made, I would have preferred NOT to have seen the aging Han/Luke/Leia actors at all, set the story past their lives
On a positive note, I did laugh a couple of times at some of the silly lines

With that said, sadly I think I am probably done with the franchise and won't see additional movies
 
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When it comes to Star Wars, I'm not into EU. I don't read the books for Game of Thrones. I don't read comics of The Walking Dead, Marvel, or DC. I'm aware of Mara Jade, Jaycen, and Jaina Solo but I don't read into it. For me, it's movie or TV show-only.

I wanted to love Rey and have her surpass Leia among my favorite females in SW. We gained no new info about her in two movies. We know more about Finn and Rose than we do about Rey. We knew more about Jyn Erso than we know about Rey.

You know who were the most heroic in The Last Jedi?

Amilyn Holdo & Rose Tico


Laura Dern's character had the most heroic moment next to Paige Tico. Sacrifice yourself. She bought the heroes more time and also saved Finn and Rose from being executed in the process. Imagine a heroic Mon Mothma. That's Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo for me.

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/12/ca...st-jedi-leia-wrote-final-momments-1201908376/
Fisher was also partly responsible for writing the goodbye between Leia and Amilyn Holdo (Laura Dern). Holdo has decided to remain on the ship while Leia and the rest of the Resistance board small transport vehicles to escape the wrath of the First Order. The two women say goodbye by using the trademark “May the force be with you.” Johnson reveals it was Fisher who came up with the highly emotional exchange.

Holdo and Leia attempt to say the line together at the same time but struggle as they fight back tears, knowing this will probably be the last time they see each other. Leia humbly says through her tears: “You go, I’ve said it enough.” Holdo then gives the most emotional “May the force be with you, always” of the entire film.

“That whole Holdo scene, that goodbye scene was actually completely rewritten with Carrie and with Laura,” Johnson says. “The three of us got together and worked through it.”

According to Johnson, Dern also helped tremendously with the moment. “The real heart of that scene came from Laura. It was her saying, ‘I just feel like, from my character to Leia, but also me to Carrie, I want to express what she means to me. I want to express my gratitude.’”

Finn: "Rose, why did you stop me?"

Rose: "I didn't stop you, silly. I saved you. We won't win at fighting against what we hate but saving what we love."

Earlier in the scene, Finn was ditching the ship to save his butt and hope for Rey to not be near it. Finn and Poe are morons. Poe was a hotshot pilot that caused the Resistance to lose all their bombers. Rose's sister had to die when they should have left ASAP. Finn didn't want to let the First Order win. Guess what? Rose had to save him from acting like Poe.

Isn't it sad that two new female side characters outshined Rey for me in TLJ? Laura Dern and a YouTube actress who did CollegeHumor outshined both the protagonist and antagonist. Kelly is Vietnamese along with the actress who portrayed her sister, Paige (Veronica Ngo). Kelly looks like a younger Margaret Cho (Korean) and Rose had to save Finn's overconfident and worthless butt and with the most poignant line in the movie.

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Characters portrayed by Asians again trying to sacrifice themselves for the greater good like Chirrut Imwe and Baze Malbus did. Apple (minimalism) and Star Wars' mythology is heavily based from Asian religions and cultures. George Lucas made his galaxy mostly Caucasian males. That's why I'm not trippin' at the diversity or hating characters for their ethnicity or gender. Star Wars isn't about white privilege roles and a white man's story.

Luke Skywalker WAS NOT heroic at all in this film. He was a Grumpy Old Man who did nothing awesome except stall as a hologram. He didn't have to duck and weave if he was a hologram. He was blaming the Jedi's vanity for creating Darth Vader. Obi-Wan failed as a teacher. But Obi-Wan was still willing to teach Luke the ways of the Force. Obi-Wan didn't give up for the cause.

Luke was supposed to be about A NEW HOPE. In TLJ, he acted OLD and HOPELESS. Disney might as not have hired Mark Hamill and Gwendoline Christie for any roles. Pointless to go on promotional tours. Luke and Phasma were essentially worthless to the story. Luke's lightsaber (formerly Anakin's) which acted as a MacGuffin to TFA had a more of critical part to the story than Luke did.

Heroes of hope in TLJ -
Amilyn Holdo
Rose Tico

Rian Johnson made the four main characters (Rey, Kylo, Snoke, Luke) in TLJ the most worthless to me.
 
Killing off Luke Skywalker is the biggest mistake in film history.

Maybe Kathleen Kennedy and other producers told Rian Johnson "If you kill off Luke we will give you your own trilogy" then I can maybe see why it happened. Otherwise **** off Rian Johnson.

That is a possibility, if the strategy is to milk this thala-siren for all it’s worth. Actually I don’t have an issue with killing off Luke, if it actually meant they were going to stop plagiarizing themes that worked before, and moved on to new original material. Two movies into the latest trilogy and we are still regurgitate old themes.

Interesting reading: https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/12/16/everything-wrong-with-star-wars-the-last-jedi/
 
I wish Luke just killed Kylo and then Luke the the Knights of Luke would defeat Snoke. But perhaps it makes sense that the Empire stops focusing on the rebels and they work to bring peace to the galaxy. The funding can shift from military weapons to helping out the poor and modifying ships to bring supplies and people from place to place efficiently. Money made from weapons would later be made by investment in commerce and rebuilding from the wars.
 
Having just seen the movie today, these are my thoughts:
  • I had no real expectations, so I was surprised to find I was more disappointed than I thought I would be
  • Most of the scenes were obvious (and poor) ripoffs and rehashing of themes from previous movies, particularly Empire and Return
  • The acting was poor and uninspired, especially with Leia and Luke, but all others as well
  • The action was dull without any real moments of tension, and consequently I was never emotionally invested in any character or event
  • As stated by others, Kylo is nothing more than an emo twit and does not project menace or strike fear, Vader would be ashamed
  • Snoke was cartoonish compared to the Emperor and dumber than dirt
  • I didn't care that Luke died and Leia should have died too
  • Yoda's appearance and contribution was unnecessary and a distraction
Furthermore...
  • I wish the whole franchise had ended after Return of the Jedi without any of the prequels or other movies (except maybe Rogue One)
  • This would have allowed our imaginations to fill in all the blanks instead of cementing the past and futures of the characters
  • IF (big if) additional movies had to be made, I would have preferred NOT to have seen the aging Han/Luke/Leia actors at all, set the story past their lives
On a positive note, I did laugh a couple of times at some of the silly lines

With that said, sadly I think I am probably done with the franchise and won't see additional movies
Some say the biggest crime is destroying the Star Wars happy ending and throwing it back in a blender for more $$. I will be obligated to watch Ep9, but I’ll be streaming it.

I’ve got an idea, let’s leave the baggage behind, jump 100 years ahead and start a new original story with new players, especially not centered on defeating planet killers or finding the good in force sensitive people, at least not as a primary theme. :)
 
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There was way too much Disney in this movie. It wasn't bad, but it's the worst of the new movies and doesn't bode well for the future of the series.
 
People are blaming the TLJ's director / writer but I still believe Rian Johnson did a better job with TLJ than JJ Abrams did with TFA and Star Trek Into Darkness with the convoluted way they handled a brilliant actor in Benedict Cumberbatch portraying Khan.

I believe Rian should have directed Rogue One and NOT Gareth Edwards. Gareth did a pretty good job but the pacing was awful. Rian would've sped it up. And Gareth shoots very dark scenes.

The scene where we see Cassian ready to assassinate Galen Erso, the scene was dark like the many scenes in Godzilla (2014). It's already hard enough to see the scenes in a dark theater.

Rian is writing a new trilogy for SW which is good because he is better suited to direct standalone SW films and can experiment with film noir. These main films have to follow a template that traps their writing and imaginations into carbonite.

Now owned by Disney, there is more limitations to cater to children. I still believe Rian is a superior director than JJ and Gareth. Looper is superior to Mi3, Super 8, and Godzilla.

Not 100% sold on Ron Howard directing Solo. Far And Away (1992) is actually one of my favorite movies by him. Willow was my first favorite movie as a kid. Enjoyed Splash, Gung Ho, and Ransom.

Not a fan of Backdraft, A Beautiful Mind, and the Robert Langdon trilogy. Never seen Cocoon. Solo could be hit or miss. He did reproduce Bryce. Thanks, Ron.

If Tarantino directed SW, it would be all messed up. Spielberg doesn't want to. Nolan would make it drag and make it feel Shakespeare and weaker replay value.

As much as some might have hated JJ and Rian's Star Wars films, the franchise are still in better hands with than DCEU is with Zack Snyder or anything to do with Michael Bay.

Visually speaking, The Last Jedi is one of the best-looking films in the franchise. The OT does look dated as time passes by, Special Editions or not. TPM and AOTC have very outdated CGI. If you watch Independence Day from 1996, the special effects looks like it came from a B-movie if released today.

Films' special effects that aged beautifully from 15+ years ago is the TLotR trilogy filmed in New Zealand. Rogue One still had the best-looking scenery for SW in Scarif. Maldives Islands is a beautiful place like Bora Bora. First time I saw SW in a beach battle.

My childhood idols growing up -

Michael Jordan
Jackie Chan

An African-American and Chinese guy. My favorite music artist is Sade Adu. Mulatto like Obama, Halle Berry, Vanessa Williams. I enjoyed Black Panther in Civil War although the trailer doesn't excite me that much for it. So I'm not the type that needs Caucasian males to be my heroes in fictional or non-fictional content.

I'm cool with Rey being a girl. I'm cool with Finn being black. I'm cool with Rose being an Asian female. The one thing I like from this trilogy is diversifying the roles. Not every hero should be Caucasian male like Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Peter Parker, Logan, Indiana Jones, Han Solo, etc.

If you never ever seen Star Wars and clueless about the lore, then The Last Jedi is going to be more enjoyable than most other franchise sequels of the last two years. If you are aware of it like some of us here, then it's going to be divisive because how Rian wrote it is going to tick some people off.

Here's more Reylo. Not a fan of either but a fan of the song. More scenes from TLJ.

My Star Wars
III, IV, V, VI

^ Only four that made my Top 30 favorite movies and none of them would make my Top 10-20.

Star Wars isn't even my favorite franchise. It's Back To The Future, Indiana Jones, and then SW. I got into BTTF and Indy back in 1989-1990. I didn't follow SW until 1997.

My favorite films are stupid comedies like Maverick, Let It Ride, Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Some Like It Hot, Hot Tub Machine, Wild Hogs, and The Big Lebowski. Movies I can watch over and over with any mood.

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OK, saw the movie last night and, like everyone else, I have to post my self-entitled thoughts.
  • Overall feeling is sadness. The old trilogy is dead, as are the heroes.
  • The old trilogy worked so hard to make heroes out of people, and for them to work so hard together to bring a happy ending to ROTJ. All of that is for naught.
  • Killing Snoke so that Ren could become the big bad guy was a great idea, poorly executed (excuse the pun). Snoke is the most mysterious character out of everyone, and now he's snuffed it.
  • Saying that, the Rey/Ren fight against the guards gets my highly-coveted 'best scene of the film' award.
  • I loved the idea of Canto Bight, as a new place in the Star Wars Universe, but it felt like a side-track. This time could have been better filled with Rey learning from Luke (he said 3 lessons, and we only got 2. The 3rd lesson was apparently filmed but left on the editing floor and will be on the BluRay, but I would rather it have been in the film)
  • The battle on Crait felt as if Rian Johnson thought he *had* to do an AT-AT scene, and so threw it in.
  • I liked the new force abilities. It kept things fresh.
  • Any tension was dispersed by a punch-line. I laughed out loud at a lot of these (especially Luke tickling Rey's fingers with a reed). Some of these should have been avoided though, to keep the tension.
  • There are some good messages in the film. Yoda's wise words about learning from failure, and that you *have* to fail in order to grow was a good life lesson for any young fan. I especially like Rose's line about not fighting evil, but saving what you love.
  • I'm so glad Rey's parents are no-body's. The internet was frothing at the mouth with fan-made theories and seeing faces in clouds. Johnson hit Troll Level 9000 with that one.

While my overall feeling is sadness, I have huge respect for Rian Johnson. He has balls of steel for taking on one of the most beloved franchises in history, and hitting the reset button so that it can grow. I just wish he had given the old trilogy the send-off it deserves. Rather than passing the baton, it feels like it's destroyed the old one and made a new one in its place.
 
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Best part of TLJ -
Throne room / Betrayal to Snoke

Worst part of TLJ -
Luke's character assassination


For me, Star Wars has never really been about the stories. I find them stupid like most James Bond, Indiana Jones, MCU, and action/adventure films. Even the OT had shallow stories and weak dialogue. SW is about the characters I care about.

The problem going forward is we are being left with characters we don't really care for. I don't care what will happen to Rey or Kylo Ren. It just doesn't matter to me. It became like The Walking Dead where I really don't care what happens to Rick's group.

The Last Jedi moments that makes you question them -

Why does Luke calls out that Vader was created by the Jedi, wants the Jedi order to end, says he is the last Jedi, and then tell Kylo something else at the end? Rey wasn't even fully trained yet.

How come Rey left Luke just like that when the mission was to get him for help? She didn't even finish her Jedi training. Then after she touches Kylo's hand, she challenges Luke and then leaves the last and most powerful Jedi of the galaxy to go to Kylo almost like she is unaware she will be captured and maybe even killed? How gullible is she?

Yoda as a Force ghost can bring in lightning like he's Thor. Why not fight with the living if he could do stuff like that?

How come Rey can sense Kylo's future but Luke feels he's beyond redemption? But Luke sensed good in his father who was even more powerful, evil, older (more cynical), and trained?

Why would Luke even try to attempt to kill Ben in his sleep? So out of character just like the quips he said.

Why didn't Kylo Force freeze Rey when they were after lightsaber? He could have also got all the info on Luke's whereabouts from Lor San Tekka's mind like he did from Poe in the beginning of The Force Awakens. And why did Luke even give a map to Tekka where he was if he didn't want to be found?

How come Finn who doesn't know how to pilot anything became cocky like Poe? Like he could barely fly an aircraft and then becomes greedy and confident like what Poe showed earlier. Dummy.

How does Luke know they are in Crait at the end? GPS? So many different planets and he knew specifically to show up there? If he can do that stuff, he should have been there when Han died. Hamill is correct that Luke and Leia should have been there and not Rey and Finn who barely knew him.

Why does Kylo Ren believe he deserved an apology from Luke? He killed his daddy who happened to be Luke's buddy who saved his life twice and about half of his students.

Why did Luke have to duck and weave vs Kylo when he's a hologram?

Why did Luke have to turn into a Force ghost?

So Luke's purpose in these films was to watch him milk a female thala-siren for green milk, catching a giant fish with a spear, telling some useful info on why Kylo turned on him, and stalling Kylo as a hologram? Got it.

Your buddy, Han, died. Your twin sister needed help ASAP. Artoo just showed you an old hologram of her. Force ghost Yoda burned the old books. Obi-Wan and Yoda were still willing to show you the ways of the Force but you were reluctant to help train Rey when Obi-Wan failed with Anakin.

Throne room scene would've been better had Luke went with Rey similar to how he should've appeared in TFA in the forest when the lightsaber should have been caught by him instead of Rey. So much reluctance from a symbol of hope and Vader's redeemer.

Four most important characters in the same throne room in a monumental showdown. Had Luke died by the hands of Snoke or Kylo, it still would be heroic no different than Obi-Wan did in ANH. What we got was hologram Luke to stall Kylo Ren and then a Force fart to his death...

Character assassination is real. Rian did it to Luke. From A New Hope to mostly hopeless until the very end which was nothing more than a mirage.

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Spoilers!!!!!!!

- The action scenes are great, visually spectacular. I especially loved the 'red guards' finally springing to life! That scene was superb.

- The plot, IMO, is incredibly weak. Especially the whole rebel ship being chased and slowly running out of fuel, that for me just dragged on, like a major story thread that's stuck on pause. The whole film felt very disjointed to me. (I just watched a clip on how editing saved the original Star Wars, it really makes me think the same could have been done for this one).

- Kylo Ren is a very, very, very weak main villain. Rey already beat him without training, he has nothing on Maul/Dooku/Vader/Emperor. I assume the 3rd film will introduce a twist or new villain, as otherwise it looks like an easy win for the Rebels.

- I like the way the film poked fun at itself, building up the tension only to deflate it with silly comments/acts. But my first reaction was "The hardcore fans are going to HATE this".

- I didn't much care for the Luke mind-projection trick. Felt a bit like a "...and it was all a dream" cheap trick that invalidates what we've just seen.

- The Leia flying scene, the less said about that the better. :(

- I love how in Rogue One they discover the Hyperspace tracking project in the citadel when searching for the death-star plans.

Overall: fresh, visually spectacular and funny. But with a weak, disjointed story. For me, Rogue One is still the best of the new movies by a considerable margin.
 
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Just want to answer some of things that I think. I mostly have the same questions as you though.

Why does Luke calls out that Vader was created by the Jedi, wants the Jedi order to end, says he is the last Jedi, and then tell Kylo something else at the end? Rey wasn't even fully trained yet.

The idea of this is that Rey's actions convinced Luke to change his mind. Poorly executed, though.

How come Rey can sense Kylo's future but Luke feels he's beyond redemption? But Luke sensed good in his father who was even more powerful, evil, older (more cynical), and trained?

Everything Rey and Kylo saw in their future was made up by Snoke, seeing as he was the one connecting them both with the intention of bringing Rey to him to expose Luke's location. Basically, none of it's true.

Why would Luke even try to attempt to kill Ben in his sleep?

Well, Luke said he momentarily thought about it and then decided against the idea. But Ben woke up, thought he was being attacked and we all know the rest. But yes, the idea that Luke would even conceive of that as an idea is not 'him'.

Why didn't Kylo Force freeze Rey when they were after lightsaber? He could have also got all the info on Luke's whereabouts from Lor San Tekka's mind like he did from Poe in the beginning of The Force Awakens. And why did Luke even give a map to Tekka where he was if he didn't want to be found?

I agree with the first point. The second is that Luke didn't give Lor San Tekka the map, Tekka was researching the location of the first Jedi temple and figured Luke would be there.

Why did Luke have to duck and weave vs Kylo when he's a hologram?

Because otherwise that would have given the game away to Kylo, and not given the rebel/resistance time to escape.

Why did Luke have to turn into a Force ghost?

I know, man. I know. WHY WHY WHY?

Force ghost Yoda burned the old books.

At the very end, when they're on the Falcon, Finn opens a drawer to get a blanket for Rose. In there, are the books. Rey nabbed them, the cheeky little scavenger.
 
Kylo Ren is a complicated character are noobs and females.

I'm sitting here mostly agreeing with you and then you go and say this. Why?????

Anyway, just watched the movie. It's mostly fine. I think the issue with it (as with the Hobbit series) was that they try and be too cute. They're losing substance of the movies to get laughs. They could have made an epic, great set of movies but they chose mediocrity and Disney-ness. Like the little furry animals. Why? What was their purpose? To get laughs and be cute. Was the original Star Wars cute at all? There were Ewoks but they made sense.

Ultimately I think it boils down to the target audience. The target audience is not people like me, unfortunately.

They aren't terrible movies or anything but I just wish they were more serious.
 
Well, Luke said he momentarily thought about it and then decided against the idea. But Ben woke up, thought he was being attacked and we all know the rest. But yes, the idea that Luke would even conceive of that as an idea is not 'him'.

Yoda warned Luke that once he starts down that dark path it will forever dominate his destiny. I'd argue that yes, it is entirely within Luke to attack and kill Ben in his sleep.
 
How does Luke know they are in Crait at the end? GPS? So many different planets and he knew specifically to show up there? If he can do that stuff, he should have been there when Han died. Hamill is correct that Luke and Leia should have been there and not Rey and Finn who barely knew him.

Luke shut himself off from the force before, and so couldn't tell that Han had died. He knew where Leia was because he un-shut himself off from the force after/while Rey was there, so he connected with Leia.

Also, the whole Leia just like, using the force to go back into the ship after it was blown up was so weird and unnecessary. What were they thinking?
[doublepost=1513781016][/doublepost]I also don't like how they are commoditizing the lightsaber usage.
 
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