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I saw it on Sunday. Hands down, out of the last three movies, the best of the three. It is good, not great. Kept my interest and I actually liked they way they ended the film. The final scene is great! It does come full circle.

I won't spoil anything yet, but there are a few scenes that are very emotional, if you will, that are definitely there to drag the heart strings for those who grew up and love the movies.

I enjoyed it and it was bitter sweet... the end of these movies as we know it. For better or worse, it was a ride and this one I feel ties it up nicely.
 
I enjoyed it and it was bitter sweet... the end of these movies as we know it. For better or worse, it was a ride and this one I feel ties it up nicely.

Definitely bittersweet - more so when there won't be a Star Wars movie hitting the theaters until 2020. Yet I'm of the opinion it ended the skywalker saga on a high point. The final trilogy was a mixed bag and really should have had a cohesive plan for the three movies, kind of like Marvel. Oh well, what that's in the past.
 
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I saw it over the weekend. I liked it but didn’t love it. There was just so much crammed in there and still so many questions left unanswered, like the question of Rey’s parentage.

I think that they should have split it into 2 parts like the last 2 Harry Potter movies. Then they could have taken the time to tell the story without it feeling rushed.

And don’t get me started on John Williams’ terrible score. It was just regurgitated cues from the earlier films. He didn’t phone it in. He telegraphed it in. Bleh.
 
in the running for worst Star Wars movie yet, i still think the winner of that crown was The Last Jedi though.
in my opinion Rise of Skywalker probably did the best it could be considering it had to course-correct for the mistakes of The Last Jedi
but even with what's left, it destroys so much canonical lore and will have long-reaching implications for anything in the universe not to mention it basically makes the original trilogy pointless because nothing in it got accomplished.
 
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In the end, it's Disney who decides what the canonical lore should be (i.e. if you don't like where Star Wars is headed, blame Disney).

I don't disagree with this, it's Disney decision what canonical lore is.
they bought the property they have that right, but as fans, we have the right to tell them that it's trash and to vote with our wallets.

they've already done it when they decided that everything expanded universe is a "legend"
leaving only everything clone wars and the movies as canon along with some new books etc.


But as for the most recent movie seriously, now you can teleport items through the force, force ghosts can interact with physical objects like a lightsaber, they were previously shown to be able to send a lightning bolt to that temple. ( in which case why couldn't force ghost Luke go to where the Emperor was building the fleet and zap them? or fight with said lightsaber?)
force users without training can do healing/life transfer.

not to mention look at the technological leap, within forty years something that could destroy planets but needed to be part of the space station the size of a small moon can now fit under the hull of a Star destroyer and is being magically mass-produced.

Apparently Apple has nothing on the Emperor when it comes to supply chain & miniaturization of components. holy crap

and there are dozens of other things I can list, but the point is that you now if you do a tangential story you need to take these types of changes into account it completely changes the Lore of the universe.
 
I enjoyed it, but mainly for Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver. Their chemistry and struggle between the light and the dark is my favorite part of this trilogy. acting, charisma, and general abilities? Pretty much perfect. Bravo to whomever cast them.

Setting them aside though, the characters beyond them were bad in this film. I severely dislike Poe Dameron and wish he died. Finn/John Boyega is underused again (a crime!) and Rose Tico does nothing (I don't care for her character but at LEAST give her something to do!!!!!!!)

I didn't have a sinking feeling at any point like I did while watching most of The Last Jedi, so this was more or less a success for me- despite lots of thematic and script issues.
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Well I saw it, enjoyed it more than the Last Jedi though some wtf moments mostly doing with the returning character and their relationship with a new one.

The biggest disappointment is a lot of the folks on social media who were defending the Last Jedi against the worst trolling have turned around and criticized the Rise of Skywalker seemingly must because. I am really fed up with fandom especially this one.
 
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and Rose Tico does nothing (I don't care for her character but at LEAST give her something to do!!!!!!!)
The thing is, the movie had so much in it, they really couldn't squeeze any more into the movie, some things had to be sacrificed. The story is really between Kylo and Ren, with Poe and Finn providing support

To be honest, while Rose wasn't bad in the Last Jedi, I think it added to the bloat of the storyline and her falling in love with Finn, really complicated the story in a detrimental way. By relegating her to the background it did clean up some of the complexity of the plot
 
I don't disagree with this, it's Disney decision what canonical lore is.
they bought the property they have that right, but as fans, we have the right to tell them that it's trash and to vote with our wallets.

they've already done it when they decided that everything expanded universe is a "legend"
leaving only everything clone wars and the movies as canon along with some new books etc.


But as for the most recent movie seriously, now you can teleport items through the force, force ghosts can interact with physical objects like a lightsaber, they were previously shown to be able to send a lightning bolt to that temple. ( in which case why couldn't force ghost Luke go to where the Emperor was building the fleet and zap them? or fight with said lightsaber?)
force users without training can do healing/life transfer.

not to mention look at the technological leap, within forty years something that could destroy planets but needed to be part of the space station the size of a small moon can now fit under the hull of a Star destroyer and is being magically mass-produced.

Apparently Apple has nothing on the Emperor when it comes to supply chain & miniaturization of components. holy crap

and there are dozens of other things I can list, but the point is that you now if you do a tangential story you need to take these types of changes into account it completely changes the Lore of the universe.

You can dislike the movie for many reasons and that's fine.

But I always find it weird when comparisons are made to real world physics, as if that had any meaning for stories that occur in a world that clearly operates differently than ours.

And then it's downright risible when they start implying that it's not believable for force ghosts to be interacting with objects.
 
I don't disagree with this, it's Disney decision what canonical lore is.
they bought the property they have that right, but as fans, we have the right to tell them that it's trash and to vote with our wallets.

they've already done it when they decided that everything expanded universe is a "legend"
leaving only everything clone wars and the movies as canon along with some new books etc.


But as for the most recent movie seriously, now you can teleport items through the force, force ghosts can interact with physical objects like a lightsaber, they were previously shown to be able to send a lightning bolt to that temple. ( in which case why couldn't force ghost Luke go to where the Emperor was building the fleet and zap them? or fight with said lightsaber?)
force users without training can do healing/life transfer.

not to mention look at the technological leap, within forty years something that could destroy planets but needed to be part of the space station the size of a small moon can now fit under the hull of a Star destroyer and is being magically mass-produced.

Apparently Apple has nothing on the Emperor when it comes to supply chain & miniaturization of components. holy crap

and there are dozens of other things I can list, but the point is that you now if you do a tangential story you need to take these types of changes into account it completely changes the Lore of the universe.
More and more I’m confident in my decision to stay away from the third JJ Disney SW strike.
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You can dislike the movie for many reasons and that's fine.

But I always find it weird when comparisons are made to real world physics, as if that had any meaning for stories that occur in a world that clearly operates differently than ours.

And then it's downright risible when they start implying that it's not believable for force ghosts to be interacting with objects.
Exceeding the limits of suspension of disbelief? :)
 
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In the end, it's Disney who decides what the canonical lore should be (i.e. if you don't like where Star Wars is headed, blame Disney).
It’s what can happen when you put a huge revenue generating corporation in charge of a cherished franchise that heard ka-ching, decided to play it safe, bereft of new ideas, heavily robs the original trilogy, because all the money in the world can’t buy them an original idea of where Stars Wars should head.

The bottom line is that you want a custodian of Star Wars to be vested in Cannon and loyalty to the story, not loyalty to $$$.
 
But as for the most recent movie seriously, now you can teleport items through the force, force ghosts can interact with physical objects like a lightsaber, they were previously shown to be able to send a lightning bolt to that temple. ( in which case why couldn't force ghost Luke go to where the Emperor was building the fleet and zap them? or fight with said lightsaber?)
force users without training can do healing/life transfer.
Do you know that all the powers/abilities that was shown in the movie is rooted in prior material.


not to mention look at the technological leap, within forty years something that could destroy planets
In the real world: 1903, first flight, 1945 the first atomic bomb dropped.
Another example, 1944 the V2 rocket shows up, 1969, Man lands on the moon. You say that 40 years is too short for innovation yet in the real world we had some pretty sizable leaps.

Overall, I don't walk into a movie and start disputing it because that's not what the real world acts like. Its a bit of fantasy and storytelling and if you're too critical, then you lose the bit of magic and enjoyment.
 
It’s what can happen when you put a huge revenue generating corporation in charge of a cherished franchise that heard ka-ching, decided to play it safe, bereft of new original ideas, heavily robs the original trilogy, because all the money in the world can’t buy them an original idea of where Stars Wars should head.

I'm sure I'll still check it out sometime when it hits streaming.
 
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Do you know that all the powers/abilities that was shown in the movie is rooted in prior material.



In the real world: 1903, first flight, 1945 the first atomic bomb dropped.
Another example, 1944 the V2 rocket shows up, 1969, Man lands on the moon. You say that 40 years is too short for innovation yet in the real world we had some pretty sizable leaps.

Overall, I don't walk into a movie and start disputing it because that's not what the real world acts like. Its a bit of fantasy and storytelling and if you're too critical, then you lose the bit of magic and enjoyment.
The dissatisfaction has to do with Disney’s handling of the franchise, making it more difficult to suspend disbelief, because Disney snaps their fingers to make what many fans consider to be conveniently plagiarized, uninspired choices, lacking devotion to the story, focused on easy profits. I wish more fans had boycotted the series after Episode 7, but they can’t, moths drawn to the flame as Disney knew they would be, ca-ching. So Disney is patting themselves on the back, job well done... for the shareholders. 😢
 
The dissatisfaction has to do with Disney’s handling of the franchise, making it more difficult to suspend disbelief, because Disney snaps their fingers to make what many fans consider to be conveniently plagiarized, uninspired choices, lacking devotion to the story, focused on easy profits. I wish more fans had boycotted the series after Episode 7, but they can’t, moths drawn to the flame as Disney knew they would be, ca-ching. So Disney is patting themselves on the back, job well done... for the shareholders. 😢
I disagree, while episode 8 was horrible, I did enjoy episode 7. Rogue One was an excellent movie and I'm not one of those who was even remotely tempted to boycott.
 
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I disagree, while episode 8 was horrible, I did enjoy episode 7. Rogue One was an excellent movie and I'm not one of those who was even remotely tempted to boycott.

Rogue One is still one of my favorites and to me it has held up after multiple, a lot actually, viewings of it, both on the big screen and at home.

I liked liked ROS, was it the best, not even a little. But I did like it and I liked how they wrapped it up.
 
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I disagree, while episode 8 was horrible, I did enjoy episode 7. Rogue One was an excellent movie and I'm not one of those who was even remotely tempted to boycott.
Rogue One is the only SWs shining light since the original trilogy, but it too is anchored in original canon. What SWs desperately needs is a new story taking it forward without overly using the past as a crutch to carry it.
 
not to mention look at the technological leap, within forty years something that could destroy planets but needed to be part of the space station the size of a small moon can now fit under the hull of a Star destroyer and is being magically mass-produced.

Apparently Apple has nothing on the Emperor when it comes to supply chain & miniaturization of components. holy crap
😂🤣😂

But the build quality sucks for both...
 
Do you know that all the powers/abilities that was shown in the movie is rooted in prior material.

in the old EU YES
but not so in the Disney Cannon/Legends paradigm.
plus even in EU teleportation was very rare, always people not specifically objects, and usaully after much training.
healing similar thing.
so far it hadn't been in the Disney Cannon or even pre-disney movie Cannon, was very rare, allways people, and usaully after much training.

as for force ghosts interacting with physical objects that was never a thing atleast not that ive ever seen in the dozens of EU material i consumed and the pre-Disney Cannonical answer comes from the The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
force ghosts can "interact with the living, albeit not physically".

In the real world: 1903, first flight, 1945 the first atomic bomb dropped.
Another example, 1944 the V2 rocket shows up, 1969, Man lands on the moon. You say that 40 years is too short for innovation yet in the real world we had some pretty sizable leaps.

a machine the size of a small moon with substantial power requirements that took decade(s) (time line implies about 19) to build to down to the size of a large cannon that can be mass produced by the thousands.
this is a leap in innovation we still havent achieved even with our great leaps the last few centuries.

This is forgetting that the death Star II didn't even get fully completed, the only reason they didn't build multiple death stars at a time was according to expanded universe sources because the Empire couldn't afford the credits to do so, in fact in order to even complete the first one the worlds involved were under hard austerity measures.
that not only practically bankrupted the Empire but decimated the few planets involved in the actual construction.

but they could at least scrounge up the credits materials and workers to do the project, somehow now a less affluent first order ( or technically the Emperor himself outside of the first-order because while he controlled snoke as puppet he was supposedly dead thus wouldn't have complete control this time without obfuscation) without any proof of help, finances materials etc. was able to make thousands of equivalently powerful planet destroying cannons, no mention of how the Star destroyers got the power the fire said lasers as well.

nice try but this argument of yours doesn't hold water.


Overall, I don't walk into a movie and start disputing it because that's not what the real world acts like. Its a bit of fantasy and storytelling and if you're too critical, then you lose the bit of magic and enjoyment.

that's my problem, I'm not walking in arguing it's not like the real world, I'm walking in arguing is not like the Star Wars universe and helps ruin the universe.

I'm trying not to lose the bit of magic and enjoyment because like I mentioned before it is a turn your brain off fun movie and it did everything it could correct the mistakes in the last Jedi, because it was painted into a corner it seemed like it was probably the best movie it could be for what it is/where this trilogy was left.

if I take the lore out of the equation and just turn off my brain, I can say I enjoyed watching the film but that's where the like ends.

it's because of that I'm not nitpicking it over continuity errors like how kylo loses his pistol one scene to another for no reason.
zorii gets off world without the captains medalion mcguffin after specifically mentioned it was her only way off.
not to mention her attitude switch for no reason or other rather self-contained errors such as not knowing direction up, the fact the ships were raised able to raise out of the ground and it didn't destroy the ships transponder, lack of usable shields in atmosphere the fact every ship didn't have said transponder, the fact Rey can force lift all those boulders and yet tries to use her arms to lift the tree off BB8.

there are literally dozens upon dozens of little nits I could pick but those won't affect the future so I could care less every movie has some.


as a hardcore Star Wars fan its the lore abuse that is offensive to me, I didn't spend thousands of dollars on Star Wars Merch over the years, hundreds of hours in the games both playing and helping in some of the modding scenes to have such a beloved franchise destroyed by people that just want to turn your brain off popcorn flick once

not understanding the repercussions to the universe as a whole, because the casual audience won't care because once their movie/trilogy is done they check out until hype tells them otherwise.
but to the hard-core fans who pay attention to everything Star Wars we are left picking up the pieces, lots of the stuff in this movie aren't self-contained to the skywalker's, palpatine's etc. and will have a ripple effect throughout any new content.

similar to how drugs might feel good in the short term but have long-term negative effects this was Disney's hardcore drug binge.
 
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I feel like JJ Abrams did his best to make it as though The Last Jedi did not happen. We really see nothing fantastically on board with the direction that Rian Johnson had taken the series, and honestly I'm massively disappointed in how Disney has seemingly capitulated to the outrage of angry manchildren by butchering Rose's role in Rise of Skywalker, among other things. It was massively frustrating to behold. But it was a fine movie.
 
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I feel like JJ Abrams did his best to make it as though The Last Jedi did not happen. We really see nothing fantastically on board with the direction that Rian Johnson had taken the series, and honestly I'm massively disappointed in how Disney has seemingly capitulated to the outrage of angry manchildren by butchering Rose's role in Rise of Skywalker, among other things. It was massively frustrating to behold. But it was a fine movie.

Yeah, critics and some fans (this one) wanted something different, not just a retread of episodes 4/5/6, I was OK with TFA, we __had__ to have the old/new cutover, some fan service, setting up the universe again. Then enter Rian Johnson with TLJ, who attempts something new, to really transition to a new story, leave the old behind, introduce some awesome new ideas and concepts *, and for, well, at least 3/4 of a movie was able to do so. Now we've got a "course correction" by Disney, undoing some of the really interesting (after decades) grand concepts, and, well, we're back to the retread/fan-service, of TFA, it's fine.

I mean, honestly, there's __way__ too much "mythos" imparted to Star Wars anyway, so maybe this is what it was always about.


* Specific implementation details are of no concern to me, I'm all about overarching plot ideals, so the "but but Leia the force ... but but FTL jump as weapon" comments are silly ...
 
Yeah, critics and some fans (this one) wanted something different, not just a retread of episodes 4/5/6, I was OK with TFA, we __had__ to have the old/new cutover, some fan service, setting up the universe again. Then enter Rian Johnson with TLJ, who attempts something new, to really transition to a new story, leave the old behind, introduce some awesome new ideas and concepts *, and for, well, at least 3/4 of a movie was able to do so. Now we've got a "course correction" by Disney, undoing some of the really interesting (after decades) grand concepts, and, well, we're back to the retread/fan-service, of TFA, it's fine.

I mean, honestly, there's __way__ too much "mythos" imparted to Star Wars anyway, so maybe this is what it was always about.


* Specific implementation details are of no concern to me, I'm all about overarching plot ideals, so the "but but Leia the force ... but but FTL jump as weapon" comments are silly ...

I dunno. A course correction is one thing, but the movie is legitimately not much of a course correction so much as it is a very mishandled attempt at erasing much of TLJ. I mean, they could’ve killed Leia earlier, given more screen time to Rose, and not trivialized Holdo’s momentous sacrifice during TLJ. I liked the Reylo ending of RoS for sure, but like they gave more screen time to the D-0/JJ Abrams self-insert droid than to Rose. They did a complete 180 on Rose. RoS’s usage of Rose does not come close to how invested she became in the trilogy during TLJ. And Disney’s response that they gave Rose less than two minutes of screen time was that they had Rose acting with Leia more before their usage of her became more conservative due to wanting to have more convincing CGI of Carrie Fisher in RoS sounds like such bull crap to me. They did Rose dirty, and I’m frustrated because I came to really like her in TLJ.
 
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