Yeesh! Killing off all the true Skywalkers? What a buzzkill! So to speak. Wait! Does that mean there are fake Skywalkers?
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Star Wars the Upcoming Episode 9: Redemption for Disney?
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Yeesh! Killing off all the true Skywalkers? What a buzzkill! So to speak. Wait! Does that mean there are fake Skywalkers?
I would get rid of anything cutesy, like cutesy robots, cutesy Ewoks, cutesy porgs, anything which could be made into a cutesy toy. No more magic. No more force. No more king fu masters intoning cryptic nonsense. And quit the whining. That all Luke did in A New Hope: whine. “I’ll never get off this planet!”
The biggest no-no: remaking earlier movies. Get better writers. Did no one notice that episode VII was the same as ep IV? It was well made, sure, and I liked Daisy Ridley better than Mark Hammel, but I sat there having a 2 1/2 hour hit of deja vu.
bleh. The prequels were a series of worsening disasters due to lack of an editor & management. TFA was an optimistic if not unimaginative & textbook return to form, and then, to capitalize on that potential, in some ill-concieved attempt at "going dark" a la Empire, Disney let Kennedys team and Johnson throw all the characters, story & entire universe in the trash, and make a substance-free heap of glitzy pointlessness with TLJ. I went through it, memorizing it frame by frame over a few months trying to find enough quality to salvage into a worthwhile edit. It's a birds nest of problems, and there isn't enough substance in it to mash up with TFA to assemble a story worthy of being a single OT sequel. I wish I had never even seen it, and going forward, morbid curiosity isn't enough to indulge my masochistic side back into the theater for yet another kick in the face. The damage has already been done. The cheesy "Rise Of..." cliche title is all I needed to cut Star Wars off now. I don't need to see it continue like this.
Star Wars is three good movies followed by 35 years of poor attempts at cashing in on their success. Rogue One was just about good enough to be the only prequel or sequel the original trilogy ever needed.
Star Wars is three good movies followed by 35 years of poor attempts at cashing in on their success. Rogue One was just about good enough to be the only prequel or sequel the original trilogy ever needed.
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I don't have a problem with droids. I have a problem with with all of the various hollow attempts to recreate the humorous interplay with R2 and C3PO from the first movie and all have fallen flat because the filmmakers/writers show virtually no understanding of how that worked. These days having a funny robot in a SW film is apparently a box that must be checked (Rogue One, Solo) and C3PO in his appearances in films after the original trilogy has been reduced to nothing more than reciting obligatory lines such as "Oh dear, oh dear..." Oh my..." "We're doomed!"
I might have posted this before in another thread, but I remember reading a long time ago just after the original trilogy was finished that Lucas said if future trilogies were made they would essentially be told from the point of view of R2 and C3PO, that they would be the only returning characters from the original trilogy and the audience would be introduced to new main characters through their seemingly happenstance adventures, much like the first film. So when 3PO mentions that he's "not much of a story teller" in the original SW it was meant to be ironic because in fact the events of the SW universe would become their story to tell.
I kind of like that idea. Too bad they didn't roll with it. Instead C3PO and R2 are treated like honored guests in the new films with basically nothing to do.
Lucas didn’t do himself any favors. In fact the huge success of the original trilogy got to his head when he made the prequels.
1-3 were horrible disasters with no direction and bad acting because Lucas did it all himself. The fans did not want him doing 6-9 because he lost control of his own creation.
1-3 were horrible disasters with no direction and bad acting because Lucas did it all himself. The fans did not want him doing 6-9 because he lost control of his own creation.
Sounds great.
I have to say, I haven't been too impressed with episodes 7 & 8. I'll see episode 9, but at this point I don't have high expectations for it. That said, I really liked Rogue One.
I’ll mildly disagree. The first one was mediocre. Empire was good. The Ewoks strike back was terrible.
The 3 prequels were horrible. Bad writing, bad acting. I was surprised that Sam Jackson had it in him to turn in a bad performance. It takes a skilled director to get a bad performance from a good actor. Looking back at A New Hope, maybe the bad acting was due to bad directing instead of Lucas hiring only the actors he could afford.
If Star Wars has begun with “The Force,” I think it could have been better. That had me feeling optimistic. Then came “The Last Jedi.” For the first time, I was tempted to walk out of a movie. If the family hasn’t been with me, I would have.
So when “Skywalker” is over, will we applaud because our long national nightmare is over? Or maybe it will be better. We will see. And then we’ll know.
Rogue One was good. Having everyone die was a gutsy move. It added a level of gravitas to what was a juvenile exercise.
Nostalgia lens probably. I am a bit fed up with the whole exercise anyway. I just saw a tweet yesterday (since I follow a lot of sci-fi stuff) of someone who wrote a ranking of best SW films with TLJ on the top. Oh boy. This stuff is pretty subjective anyway.
Meh. Those three movies are way more entertaining than 7 and 8 even came close to, and I don't expect 9 to change that. Sure, the acting is better in the latter two, but the writing is even worse than the prequels.
TLJ on top? Sheesh! The Roger Coleman movie “Starcrash” is a masterpiece next to TLJ. Just my subjective opinion.
I'm not @T'hain Esh Kelch but I'll kick in my two bits I liked it more than TLJ or even TFA but Rogue One was by far the best of the non - OT films. The last part of the Rogue One film hit me, even though I knew they would get the message off but it didn't seem like it. I was wondering if any of them would pull through. Haha nope. Great choice. The bit with Vader at the end, I could forgive and accept the CGI Tarkin and Leia.
Solo was allright, could have been better but I think we got used to such uneven films it affected our judgement a bit. 🤔
Edit: Anyway enjoying the banter here, nice and polite thanks all. May the force be with you always. 🖖<-- Live Long and Prosper too why not hedge your bets??
It felt more coherent than 7 and 8, but I still greatly prefer 1-3 over that one. To me it felt like a they were going in the right direction, but it was lacking some of that Star Wars ingenuity that 1-6 has, where you keep going 'Man, that is inventive' or you chuckle from the looks of some weird alien acting alienish. It felt a bit too safe if you ask me. While Rogue one was a much better movie than Solo, it was also lacking some of that too. It was better, simply because of the story and the fact that they relied heavily on providing fan service, but I also think that one could have been somewhat more than it was.
That would be a real head-spinner.
I guess Chewbacca could be different, because you never really see the person anyway. I always think, people in costumes tend to have that advantage..
That was unsettling, especially the Peter Cushing CGI. But this is the risk they run when the producers need an actor who died 25 years previously. The same thing happens when you have many different producers and writers. You lack a cohesive creative vision.
Sure, why not? Both franchises have “Star” in the title. But one franchise is alive and well for the moment and the other is moribund, to say the least.
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It seemed to me that “Solo” was thrown together from hints and clues in the dialog from other movies. Then the writers took those hints, threw them into the blender, and came up with a sort-of satisfying story. It might have been better to have tried not so hard to wrap everything up with one pretty bow.
My main beef was the way they treated Lando. It seemed unlikely that Lando’s actions in Solo would make for a very cheery reunion in ep V.
Hmm. Lucas had the vision in 4-6, but lost it in 1-3. Disney/Abrams are crass calculators, with no love for the franchise as anything other than a cash cow. I see the desire for Lucas as someone whose baby, he was the parent of, but he strikes me as too senile to carry his baby forward. And Disney? They have become way too powerful, and have lost the Disney touch, more concerned about bags of money, than creative integrity. Yeah, sure creativity is good when we can afford it...
Rise of the Skywalker? It’s long past due to come up with something original and stop milking old successes. Or trash the whole thing and pick another part of the galaxy to tell a story about.
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I don’t think that’s fair to Abrams who has always been a huge fan of the original movies. Disney had set a date for the release of episode 7 long before there was a script or director was lined up. Lucasfilm was unhappy with the efforts of the screenwriter they originally hired and when Abrams was bought on board, Lawrence Kasdan was yanked off the Solo movie project to join Abrams for what was essentially triage of the episode 7 script.
Abrams has said that the inclusion of themes from the first SW movie was intentional so the audience would immediately recognize that this was a SW movie in no uncertain terms - but I think that was only part of the story. Disney’s deadline for release was looming and Abrams probably did the best he could given the circumstances.
So you are saying I should blame Disney more than Abrams. I guess I could buy that, but the bottom line is instead of forging ahead into new exciting Star Wars territory, with a huge budget (so bad writing is not a good excuse, they could afford top dollar writers), and fresh new ideas, that the best they could come up with was propelling these sequels with recycled plots from previous chapters. They've ruined the franchise for me. 😤 Yeah, I still have 4-6 which I can watch on occasion, but it's gotta make you sad at the opportunity squandered.