which really doesn't fill the plot hole. You're really just revealing a plot hole in the previous version that people just took for granted.
Wouldn't it just make the chase scenes even more epic?
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which really doesn't fill the plot hole. You're really just revealing a plot hole in the previous version that people just took for granted.
Wouldn't it just make the chase scenes even more epic?
Because Star Wars is science fiction, suspended disbelief is not an unforgivable plothole.
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So, for me, the only really bad plot hole is R2 just magically waking up at the end of the film. An R2 unit isn't force sensitive, so how did it know to wake up?
To a degree, you're right. But there are always leaps that give the viewer pause.
It's like Occam's razor. The best story is the one with the fewest moments that make you go, hey waitamminit.
Luke had a little force sensor built in ... a metal ball and trap door over the 'on' switch that he could manipulate from across the tiny, tiny galaxy.
Hey waitamminit. If he could open the trap door and have the metal ball drop onto the 'on' switch, why couldn't he just use the force to flip the 'on' switch on?
Probably because his sensor was set to monitor for "Luke" "Map" etc. and the new map caused him to reactivate. Who knows.
As you know, viewers have different SoD (Suspension of Disbelief) limits depending how how far out the story tries to take us based on our personal tolerances. Based on what happened in Episode IV-VI, could what happened in Episode VII have happened? Certainly, but we hold story tellers, specifically, movie makers and book authors to standards of consistency, plausibility, originality, excitement, and a logical flow that makes sense. Being in total control of the fictional story, we can hold them to our standard, whatever that is.
Saying it could of happened like that, for fiction, especially if it's repetitious and unsatisfying is just not good enough. Fortunately for Disney/Abrams, enough fans are so happy for the opportunity to stand in the SWs light, supported by outstanding visuals, and interesting characters new and old, they are willing to swallow this mess of a story. But as pointed out in this thread, unfortunately, for this episode the direction for the franchise is slightly forward, but mostly circular.
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You've got 11 pages or replies to review, lol.
The mountain of repetitious theme, consistency issues, and lack of originality or even one significantly new idea has been stated numerous times. I don't mind if you and others really like the movie. Some aspects of it are compelling, I want the franchise to succeed, but it's no use trying to sell Ep7 as a great, coherent and original story. 
^^ Whatever. The story is perfectly coherent, there is nothing I didn't understand. As for originality, there's nothing new under the sun. Lucas created the star wars universe as a copy of his previous influences and the story is the Hero's Journey to the letter.
And as the fastest film ever to make it to 1 Billion at the box office I'd say it qualifies as great.
And as the fastest film ever to make it to 1 Billion at the box office I'd say it qualifies as great.
I'd say it qualifies it as popular.
Is popular synonymous with great?
Let's ask Justin Beiber.
Wow, the script had major holes not to mention it doesn't seem to take anytime to get anywhere.
You've got 11 pages or replies to review, lol.
Well said.
Revenue is not a good indicator of quality. Many crappy movies have made TONS of money - Avatar(Dances with Smurfs tech demo), Titanic(zzzzzzzz), Age of Ultron(meh) etc.
Did I enjoy it despite it's problems? Yes, I've seen it twice and it gets SW back on track.
Reusing another 'death star' - 3 times in 7 movies? Lazy
SW TFA is like Jurassic World - a major rehash of the original and homage to that, well done and enjoyable. Good, not great.
If I were to rate them -
1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope (before the special addition butchery)
3. The Force Awakens
4. Jedi (before the special addition butchery)
That's funny.
SW will always (to some) be popular.
I think episode 7 is better than the prequels, but is it as good as the originals?
I don't think anything can ever hold up to films that I have loved and enjoyed countless times as I grew up.
But who knows? Ask me in 30 years!
We need to judge this movie after the next 3 are released to see how it fits in the core story. This is just a snippet in time compared to the full saga. So lets wait 5 or so years before judging TFA against the past 6 movies.
The worst of which I didn't even notice while watching the movie ... that it took about one minute in space before running into HS and Chewie.
A teensy-weensy galaxy, far, far away.
And this one, which is an age-old movie cliché more than it is a hole, but when they're on that one lush planet by the lake, the storm troopers and Kylo swoop in and start blasting everything and everybody in sight. Nobody is spared until they get the heroes surrounded and they all suddenly stop shooting and decide it time to take prisoners.
It's enough to make me want to Wilhelm scream.
But just to reiterate ... it was an entertaining movie. I enjoyed watching it and reuniting with the characters.
But one last quibble. I know Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher are a couple of old fogies, and it would probably gross-out a lot of the audience members, but they couldn't kiss? At least once? It felt like two people who had a fondness for one another, not two lovers who used to enjoy doing the dirty deed night after night.
Maybe that's part of the reason why they split up.
For five of the Star Wars movies this worked perfectly fine for me - - Episodes II, III, IV, V, VI.
However, for two Star Wars movies it did not - - Episodes I, VII.
Everyone clapped and cheered when I saw it.
Also, loved the movie. The way it was filmed made it feel like the originals. And all the old characters back on screen made it feel very nostalgic. Looking forward to the next ones.
But the first order is too cheap to install a few low res surveillance cams or even post a few security guards to make sure the starkiller's "reactor core" isn't destroyed by a few impulsive rebgel hooligans?
Who needs surveillance cams when you have mouse droids!
Maybe they spent the money on Stormtropers armour?
They should fire the idiot who designed those!
1. they offer ZERO protection against laser blasts
2. they offer ZERO protection against falls
3. they add unnecessary weight (unless the stormtroopers are all fat and need to don armor for extra aerobic activity--as if walking miles upon miles each day patrolling the SK base wasn't exercise enough).
4. helmets block peripheral vision and impair hearing.
5. Why do the helmets have tinted lens anyway? The stormtroopers are clearly not albino and therefore super light sensitive (Finn is black for example). Plus, most of the stormtroopers are on base at the SK? The lighting there is rather murky. Isn't the first order concerned about possible worker's comp claims with stormtroopers complaining about excessively dark hallways and impaired helmet vision?
6. The helmets make it impossible to identify subversive rebels; they can just steal an outfit and run around the base, then steal whatever ship they want, and/or install explosives to blow the entire space station into smithereens.
They should fire the idiot who designed those!
1. they offer ZERO protection against laser blasts
2. they offer ZERO protection against falls
3. they add unnecessary weight (unless the stormtroopers are all fat and need to don armor for extra aerobic activity--as if walking miles upon miles each day patrolling the SK base wasn't exercise enough).
4. helmets block peripheral vision and impair hearing.
5. Why do the helmets have tinted lens anyway? The stormtroopers are clearly not albino and therefore super light sensitive (Finn is black for example). Plus, most of the stormtroopers are on base at the SK? The lighting there is rather murky. Isn't the first order concerned about possible worker's comp claims with stormtroopers complaining about excessively dark hallways and impaired helmet vision?
6. The helmets make it impossible to identify subversive rebels; they can just steal an outfit and run around the base, then steal whatever ship they want, and/or install explosives to blow the entire space station into smithereens.
But they look kind of cool and menacing...
But they look kind of cool and menacing...
Yup, that's the whole point. As I've said before, trying to apply logic to any of the goings on in TFA and to a lesser extent in the OT is an exercise in futility. It's fun, escapist entertainment.
I enjoyed Star Wars The Retread, I mean Star Wars The Force Awakens a lot. I'll see it again several more times, esp. after it's released on blu ray.