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Yup, that's the whole point. As I've said before, trying to apply logic to any of the goings on in TFA and to a lesser extent in the OT is an exercise in futility. It's fun, escapist entertainment.

I enjoyed Star Wars The Retread, I mean Star Wars The Force Awakens a lot. I'll see it again several more times, esp. after it's released on blu ray.

Yeah. But so it nitpicking.
 
I'd say it qualifies it as popular.

Is popular synonymous with great?

Let's ask Justin Beiber.


This really. Fun fact. For Japan's opening it seems according to a coworker Star wars came in number 2 for weekend debut. Number 1 was Yokai Watch. Japanese kid's cartoon show that pumps out movies once in a while. I have not seen it but based on watching of this show....its not movie greatness most likely.


hate to pick on avatar but it banged out some numbers (since $ ='s greatness the premise to some). Cinematography wise, great flick. Beautiful movie. Plot wise, strung together rehashed beat to death story/plot devices galore. Bad humans being evil to other planet's civilizations for the almighty money_at_the_time. Messianic overtones, hero reborn and transformed to complete the cycle, etc. Never before have we seen these, never.... What downgraded it from great to me.

Gene Roddenberry and stuff spin offs inspired from his ideas showed us you can make sci fi with earthlings where we aren't total jerks to every one else. Angle like this could have had avatar reach greatness for me. Not doing that...I went....so we have Weyland Utani's greedy sibling corp in this movie. Weyland Utani gets the space greedy evil corp title nod since they have been doing it since 1979 (alien release).
 
This really. Fun fact. For Japan's opening it seems according to a coworker Star wars came in number 2 for weekend debut. Number 1 was Yokai Watch. Japanese kid's cartoon show that pumps out movies once in a while. I have not seen it but based on watching of this show....its not movie greatness most likely.
Yea popularity has nothing to do with either greatness or quality - it doesn't. However, that really doesn't mean popular = garbage either if we are being consistent.
 
Meanwhile, John Williams' score may have dropped a hint regarding the identity of Snoke.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3702214

After the epic revelations in Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens, many fans are still reeling. But for all that Star Wars 7 revealed, the film posed more unanswered questions and mysteries for Star Wars 8 to solve. One of the most enigmatic characters is Supreme Leader Snoke, the big bad pulling the strings of The First Order. Who is he? What does he want? And how did he seduce Kylo Ren to the Dark Side?

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Kylo Ren's master isn't what he seems...
Though we'll have to wait a while to find all this out, the Star Wars Episode 7creative team has been busily dropping hints, and even the movie's score contains vital secrets...

Is Snoke Actually Darth Plagueis?
Ok, let's backtrack for a moment. There's a theory going around that Supreme Leader Snoke may actually be this immensely powerful Sith Lord. Darth Plagueis was known as "The Wise" because he was very close to learning the secret of immortality. He could stop people from dying but unfortunately could not prevent his own death at the hand of his apprentice, Darth Sidious a.k.a. Palpatine a.k.a. the Emperor.

You know, this guy.
Darth Plagueis was first mentioned in the films by Palpatine, when he explains to young Anakin how Plagueis could prevent people from dying.

"Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life. He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying."
Obviously, this little tidbit of information was crucial to turning Anakin to the Dark Side, as he wanted to prevent Padme's death. And of course, the Jedi Order would never allow Anakin to learn how to master life and death.

"Can I learn how to master this power?"
This Sith Lord was one of the most powerful in all of Star Wars history, and despite his apparent death, his involvement in the story might not be over yet...

Soundtrack Drops Hints
So, back to The Force Awakens. Some very attentive fans have noticed a striking similarity in Snoke's theme by John Williams, and the piece of music that plays as Palpatine tells Anakin about Darth Plagueis. In fact, they're basically the same piece of music (hat tip to comicbookmovies for pointing this out).

Don't believe us? Well, check it out for yourself! Here's Snoke's theme from The Force Awakens' soundtrack.









And here's the piece of music which plays as Palpatine describes Darth Plagueis's teachings...










Convinced? The themes are very very similar, and the Star Wars creative team is well known for dropping hints and establishing parallels that point towards future plot twists. On the flip side, the melody of the two pieces is far from identical, and using low choral voices to communicate menace is pretty much part and parcel for any good composer.

Musical parallels aside, with Plagueis's powers it's entirely possible that he could have survived Palpatine's supposedly fatal attack. But there's one crucial fact which, to me anyway, suggests that Snoke ISN'T Plagueis...

Snoke & Kylo Ren AREN'T Sith!
Before Star Wars 7 was released, J.J. Abrams and the cast dropped plenty of hints in interviews. One of the earliest pieces with Entertainment Weekly focused on Kylo Ren, and how he isn't a Sith apprentice.

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Kylo Ren's not a Sith
As for Snoke, his origins are much more mysterious, but thanks to this interview with EW we do know that he's thousands of years old, he's suffered some damage, and his plan has been in motion for a very long time. All of this does actually line up with Darth Plagueis's story, apart from this statement from Andy Serkis...

"He’s a new character in this universe. [Snoke] is very much a newly-introduced character."
Hmm. This could be a red herring, but it certainly seems as though J.J. Abrams and the Star Wars 8 team are trying to establish a new twist on the mythology, without being bogged down by too much history. With the Expanded Universe now declared non-canon, re-introducing Darth Plagueis would take some hefty exposition, as the majority of the audience probably has no clue who he is.

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Sorry Plagueis. Looks like you're trapped in the EU
Until Star Wars Episode 8 is released, we're just going to have to make our minds up for ourselves. There are definite parallels between Snoke and Plagueis, but at the same time there's some strong evidence that Snoke is a totally new character. So what do you think is true? Let us know in the comments, or write your own post!
 
Good article and very convincing except for the bit at the end where they consider Plagueis part of the EU when the article points out he was introduced in ROTS and thus part of official canon.
 
Good article and very convincing except for the bit at the end where they consider Plagueis part of the EU when the article points out he was introduced in ROTS and thus part of official canon.
Agreed. So many characters are part of the EU and the current cannon. Plagueis is absolutely part of the cannon.
 
This really. Fun fact. For Japan's opening it seems according to a coworker Star wars came in number 2 for weekend debut. Number 1 was Yokai Watch. Japanese kid's cartoon show that pumps out movies once in a while. I have not seen it but based on watching of this show....its not movie greatness most likely.


hate to pick on avatar but it banged out some numbers (since $ ='s greatness the premise to some). Cinematography wise, great flick. Beautiful movie. Plot wise, strung together rehashed beat to death story/plot devices galore. Bad humans being evil to other planet's civilizations for the almighty money_at_the_time. Messianic overtones, hero reborn and transformed to complete the cycle, etc. Never before have we seen these, never.... What downgraded it from great to me.

Gene Roddenberry and stuff spin offs inspired from his ideas showed us you can make sci fi with earthlings where we aren't total jerks to every one else. Angle like this could have had avatar reach greatness for me. Not doing that...I went....so we have Weyland Utani's greedy sibling corp in this movie. Weyland Utani gets the space greedy evil corp title nod since they have been doing it since 1979 (alien release).

I love Avatar on all levels. :) There is a huge difference between Avatar and Episode 7.

There are related themes that appear in different stories written by humans over the decades. The truly unique, one of a kind story is on the rare side. The most common complaint about Avatar from people who have strict requirements for originality, compare Pocahontas, to Dances with Wolves, to Avatar.

We can observe historically how almost every civilization with a technological advantage has abused other groups of people. This has happened repeatedly over millenium, So the theme will likely, rightfully appear more than once in stories/movies. For my examples, yes familiar themes, exploitation and a hero who sides with underdogs, but otherwise they are completely seperate stories, each with unique characters, circumstances and outcomes. And unlike the other two movies, in Avatar the underdogs win because of a very unusual ally, completely unique as far as I know. In addition, the primary means of interaction and gaining acceptance with the Na'vi is through a DNA engineered Avatar, another unique idea. And tell me another movie, where humans exploit another planet's indigenous population to harvest a valuable commodity? ;) I see enough difference to call this original, while others may not.

Now instead of using a general theme all ready seen in a story somewhere, Episode 7 directly and deliberately cannibalize its own story in both theme and relying on slightly altered events we already saw in Episodes IV-VI. They rehashed their own franchise with a smile calling it something new and SWs fans smile with them. Whatever, the movie is still an excellent target to critique for the reasons all of the critics including myself have been raging on it. :D
 
I love Avatar on all levels. :) There is a huge difference between Avatar and Episode 7.

There are related themes that appear in different stories written by humans over the decades. The truly unique, one of a kind story is on the rare side. The most common complaint about Avatar from people who have strict requirements for originality, compare Pocahontas, to Dances with Wolves, to Avatar.

We can observe historically how almost every civilization with a technological advantage has abused other groups of people. This has happened repeatedly over millenium, So the theme will likely, rightfully appear more than once in stories/movies. For my examples, yes familiar themes, exploitation and a hero who sides with underdogs, but otherwise they are completely seperate stories, each with unique characters, circumstances and outcomes. And unlike the other two movies, in Avatar the underdogs win because of a very unusual ally, completely unique as far as I know. In addition, the primary means of interaction and gaining acceptance with the Na'vi is through a DNA engineered Avatar, another unique idea. And tell me another movie, where humans exploit another planet's indigenous population to harvest a valuable commodity? ;) I see enough difference to call this original, while others may not.

Now instead of using a general theme all ready seen in a story somewhere, Episode 7 directly and deliberately cannibalize its own story in both theme and relying on slightly altered events we already saw in Episodes IV-VI. They rehashed their own franchise with a smile calling it something new and SWs fans smile with them. Whatever, the movie is still an excellent target to critique for the reasons all of the critics including myself have been raging on it. :D

Even Cameron admitted Avatar was more a tech demo than anything else.

Nothing is 100% original, but Avatar was junk. 100% predictable, unveiled message of look how we treat natives, humans never change. blah, blah.

The acting was bad, Michelle Rodriguez she be kept off movie screens, one dimensional 'bad guys'(I was rooting for them), bludgeoning the audience over the head with an environmental agenda, etc. Ugh.

The natives weren't underdogs, they were fighting on their own soil with greater numbers while the human's supply lines crossed light years. Not a good strategic position even with superior tech.

If that movie had been shot without the heavy CGI in EVERY scene, and had been shot more like TFA, it would have bombed.

Sorry, end rant. I will never sit through another Cameron movie.
 
Even Cameron admitted Avatar was more a tech demo than anything else.

Nothing is 100% original, but Avatar was junk. 100% predictable, unveiled message of look how we treat natives, humans never change. blah, blah.

The acting was bad, Michelle Rodriguez she be kept off movie screens, one dimensional 'bad guys'(I was rooting for them), bludgeoning the audience over the head with an environmental agenda, etc. Ugh.

The natives weren't underdogs, they were fighting on their own soil with greater numbers while the human's supply lines crossed light years. Not a good strategic position even with superior tech.

If that movie had been shot without the heavy CGI in EVERY scene, and had been shot more like TFA, it would have bombed.

Sorry, end rant. I will never sit through another Cameron movie.

That's ok with me, a valid opinion, by all means steer clear of Cameron movies if you are displeased by them. No offense taken. But regarding Avatar...

The Colonel questioned "They are fighting us with bows and arrows"? The bad guys (for the purposes of this narrative) with their technological advantages would have easily won, they would have been bloodied but won. The help the Na'vi got was a big wildcard surprise and (I think) a very original story element. Kudos to Cameron. :)

Btw, I have frequently hated films, made in warehouses primarily using CGI settings, these films highly stylized, like Sin City, or 300. Another unique achievement of Avatar is that Cameron sheparded the creation of a convincingly photo-realistic world to place his story in, and his motion capture, cutting edge then, has (I believe) been adopted as the defacto industry standard for capturing facial expressions.
 
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That's ok with me, a valid opinion, by all means steer clear of Cameron movies if you are displeased by them. No offense taken. But regarding Avatar...

The Colonel questioned "They are fighting us with bows and arrows"? The bad guys (for the purposes of this narrative) with their technological advantages would have easily won, they would have been bloodied but won. The help the Na'vi got was a big wildcard surprise and (I think) a very original story element. Kudos to Cameron. :)

Btw, I have frequently hated films, made in warehouses primarily using CGI settings, these films highly stylized, like Sin City, or 300. Another unique achievement of Avatar is that Cameron sheparded the creation of a convincingly photo-realistic world to place his story in, and his motion capture, cutting edge then, has (I believe) been adopted as the defacto industry standard for capturing facial expressions.

I respect your opinion I just don't understand it. To me, Avatar was like the SW Prequels, I felt like I was watching a cartoon.
 
I respect your opinion I just don't understand it. To me, Avatar was like the SW Prequels, I felt like I was watching a cartoon.

We clearly have divergent views on what entertains us and I'll let it go at that.

However, I'll note that what you see in movies these days is reaching a point where you only know something is CGI vs real in many cases because intellectually you know it's not possible, not by the image you are seeing. I did not put up an image, but many of Jurassic Park III's jungle scenes were filmed on a sound stage with digital creatures. You really hate CGI? I would not call it cartoons any more.

What's real? ;)

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Yea popularity has nothing to do with either greatness or quality - it doesn't. However, that really doesn't mean popular = garbage either if we are being consistent.

True. Was just saying money != great. Except for some issues LOTR which raked in some cash was by and large a great series of films. I am told for the ending Jackson even tried to stay to the books and all not well in the shire on return. this failed epically in test screenings. Studio said make the ending happy for the people who missed the subtleties of Tolkien's work and underlying meanings (evil never goes away, war....war never changes to borrow from fallout among them), it was done. Jackson tried but we never got to see it, good enough for me here.

I have looked over the 40 (+20) plotholes articles. and some are legit.

The finding of the falcon and pilotable....pushing it. Han finding this minutes after leaving a planet...really pushing it. 2 burned clients finding Han finding the Falcon in minutes flat. There is suspend reality and there is aww c'mon man. This the latter really.

I have seen this before. It was pulled off better. It was done by Douglas Adams. Who gave a reason as to how 2 people ejected from an airlock can be picked up by a ship stolen by a guy Arthur met at a party with a female who he (Arthur)was trying to get with at that party as well. In a space whose coordinates matched the phone number of the Islington flat this party was at. Infinite improbability drive was the reason given. We also got Marvin for comic relief. As well you can't help but like the idea of a chronically depressed robot. Adam's was a satirist. he piled all this on for effect. The effect was to satirize sci fi.
 
True. Was just saying money != great. Except for some issues LOTR which raked in some cash was by and large a great series of films. I am told for the ending Jackson even tried to stay to the books and all not well in the shire on return. this failed epically in test screenings. Studio said make the ending happy for the people who missed the subtleties of Tolkien's work and underlying meanings (evil never goes away, war....war never changes to borrow from fallout among them), it was done. Jackson tried but we never got to see it, good enough for me here.

I have looked over the 40 (+20) plotholes articles. and some are legit.

The finding of the falcon and pilotable....pushing it. Han finding this minutes after leaving a planet...really pushing it. 2 burned clients finding Han finding the Falcon in minutes flat. There is suspend reality and there is aww c'mon man. This the latter really.

I have seen this before. It was pulled off better. It was done by Douglas Adams. Who gave a reason as to how 2 people ejected from an airlock can be picked up by a ship stolen by a guy Arthur met at a party with a female who he (Arthur)was trying to get with at that party as well. In a space whose coordinates matched the phone number of the Islington flat this party was at. Infinite improbability drive was the reason given. We also got Marvin for comic relief. As well you can't help but like the idea of a chronically depressed robot. Adam's was a satirist. he piled all this on for effect. The effect was to satirize sci fi.
You may not like it, but you can shoot huge holes in all the films.

Why didn't the rebels make multiple copies of the Death Star plans and send them by different couriers?

How fortunate that the escape pod landed somewhat near Luke.

How fortunate that 3PO and R2 were snagged by the same Jawas.

What a stroke of luck that that sandcrawler just happened to stop at the Lars homestead.

What luck that R5-D4 had a bad motivator and 3PO convinced Lars to buy R2 (I think R2 sabotaged R5!)

Why didn't the Empire place a heavier guard on the Millennium Falcon?

Why didn't the Empire launch a LOT more fighters to fight the rebels? The Death Star would have THOUSANDS!

Why didn't the rebels do an emergency evacuation of Yavin IV like they did from Hoth?
 
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Finally saw it. not PT bad - but not good either. felt disjointed with way too many unnecessary nostalgic nods, some extremely cringeworthy dialogues and the last camera flight around Luke and Rey was just criminally bad. The complete OT had not one (!) major "love speech", this one had its first about 45mins in between two total strangers and about two or three more to come. This movie played it extremely save.

But some scenes were pretty neat and the new cast is actually much better than I expected, so didn't regret seeing it.

Above the PT but well below the OT. so no surprises.
 
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So George Lucas is butt hurt now that he can't screw up Star Wars anymore.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/george-lucas-quips-he-sold-851545
While talking to Rose about how much he loved the films he created and four of which he directed — even calling them his "kids" — Lucas said "sold them to the white slavers that take these things, and ... " Lucas did not finish his thought (49 minutes in to the clip below), but rather laughed before Rose moved on to another question.

Lucas went on to tell Rose he has accepted that the franchise is now in other hands, then he somewhat criticized the latest installment, The Force Awakens.

"They wanted to do a retro movie. I don't like that. Every movie, I worked very hard to make them different," Lucas told Rose. "I made them completely different — different planets, different spaceships to make it new."

Before the deal came about, Lucas said he planned on writing and directing the sequels to his original trilogy. Then the sale occurred. Disney was not interested in his ideas for the follow-ups, so he stayed away from the production of Force Awakens, he said.

"They weren’t that keen to have me involved anyway, but if I get in there, I’m just going to cause trouble, because they’re not going to do what I want them to do. And I don’t have the control to do that anymore, and all I would do is muck everything up," he said. "And so I said, 'OK, I will go my way, and I’ll let them go their way.' "
Sorry George, you lost all credibility when you gave us Jar Jar Binks.
 
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