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I too am bitter about waiting for new Mac hardware. I fear that iPad will supplant the Mac and that Mac lovers will be left behind for an inferior device.

I agree the MBP wait is absurd - but Macs are still the best designed and best built personal computers on the planet. Do they need CPU and GPU updates (and bigger HDs for the price)? And now? Absolutely. Would I turn to a plastic-fantastic Dell or HP because Apple is taking their sweet time? No way.

Their entire Mac lineup makes a strong argument against the accusation that Apple is turning its back on the Mac in favor of its iGadgets.

That said, let's get this iPad launch over with already so we can see updated Mac hardware.
 
The older he gets the larger the RDF grows it seems.

I've already made up my mind on the iPad. I don't want a device between a smartphone and notebook computer.
 
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NebulaClash said:
To me this is the key quote from the Time article:

"I put to designer Ive the matter of all the features that are missing from the iPad. "In many ways, it's the things that are not there that we are most proud of," he tells me. "For us, it is all about refining and refining until it seems like there's nothing between the user and the content they are interacting with."

That's not what he's supposed to say. Tech journalists are obsessed with spec lists and functions. Does it do this? Does it do that? They often look at devices as the sum of their features. But that kind of thinking isn't in Apple's DNA. The iPad does perform tasks — it runs apps and has the calendar, e-mail, Web browsing, office productivity, audio, video and gaming capabilities you would expect of any such device — yet when I eventually got my hands on one, I discovered that one doesn't relate to it as a "tool"; the experience is closer to one's relationship with a person or an animal.

I know how weird that sounds. But consider for a moment. We are human beings; our first responses to anything are dominated not by calculations but by feelings. What Ive and his team understand is that if you have an object in your pocket or hand for hours every day, then your relationship with it is profound, human and emotional. Apple's success has been founded on consumer products that address this side of us: their products make users smile as they reach forward to manipulate, touch, fondle, slide, tweak, pinch, prod and stroke."

Jonny Ive has the right idea, not for techies and tech journalists, but for the vast majority of everyone else. The key in writing, movie-making and tech tools is not what you cram in, but what you leave out.

Great quote. Reminds me of one of my favorites: a designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add but when there is nothing left to take away.

As for the article itself, I think the description of Jobs is a very good one. He could be one of the people in apple's famous "think different" ad. Like the ad says, you can glorify him or vilify him, but you can't ignore him because he changes things.
 
The older he gets the larger the RDF grows it seems.

I've already made up my mind on the iPad. I don't want a device between a smartphone and notebook computer.

RDF - of course, it's Reality Distortion Field! I wanted to find out about its origin, so I checked Wikipedia. I loved the links about the article:

Apple Inc.
Drinking the Kool-Aid
Propaganda
Steve Jobs
Suggestibility
Somebody Else's Problem field
Brainwashing


Immediately, I felt I was on Macrumors with my fellow posters.
 
No, just limiting it to certain segments of the market because they couldn't compete against Microsoft.

So in fact Ive & co are not designing products for the vast majority, only niche products for certain segments?
 
The tale of two Steve's.

True or not, I can't wait until rev. B. I have no net-book or laptop, and once realized a cell phone gave people too much expectation instant gratification, I sold it off.

To all the prognosticators of the iPads poor future? Keep guessing, for each new product or revision, you're bound to be right eventually.
 
I agree the MBP wait is absurd - but Macs are still the best designed and best built personal computers on the planet. Do they need CPU and GPU updates (and bigger HDs for the price)? And now? Absolutely. Would I turn to a plastic-fantastic Dell or HP because Apple is taking their sweet time? No way.

Their entire Mac lineup makes a strong argument against the accusation that Apple is turning its back on the Mac in favor of its iGadgets.

That said, let's get this iPad launch over with already so we can see updated Mac hardware.

Couldn't agree more. Sometimes I feel bad for Microsoft. It's not so much that Windows is bad, it's the HP's, Acers, Dells of the world that turn out such garbage that give Windows a worse reputation. At least that's why I moved to the Mac. Can you imaging Apple letting any of these companies building something for OS X? Frightening thought.

The delay is likely due to getting Arrandale without the Intel integrated graphics in volume and the timing of the apparently game changing iPad. These huge new releases don't happen very often and the MBP and Mac Pro refreshes were due at a awkward time for Apple marketingwise. Soon though...
 
I agree. I also think that implying meeting SJ is somehow better than PMs of the world and multiple Presidents is way over the top. Here is a guy who invents electronics and on the other hand are people that at the flip of a switch could destroy the entire world. Yeah, the electronics guy makes me so much more nervous. Whatever, get some real perspective.

Glad you agree. If you want to do a good comparison of SJ, he is on par with the likes of Thomas Edison, Henry Ford and George Eastman. Also, if you know anything how George Eastman ran the original Kodak, the authoritative management styles are very similar.

I have been told that SJ has been petitioned to run for President but one of the lore jokes is that he didn't want to take a cut in pay and he'd have to fire too many Federal Employees to pull a profit.
 
This is why I love this site :apple:.

Sometime in 1999 another lawyer told me, very seriously, and very concerned, that I needed to abandon Apple and move over to Microsoft.

I lived all through the very dark 1990's and now really enjoy being an Apple Fanboy.

BTW, the last time I checked in with him he had at least an iPod.
 
Ive's vision is triumphant. What Apple does, the market copies.

Apple does exactly what Ive said. It refines. They replicate stuff that others have done and remove/distill elements to something refined that they declare new, magical, revolutionary. They copy from the elements of the market as much as elements copy from them.

They typically aren't first, second , or third to the market. They arrive when they have a refinement and a window of opportunity ( either tech curve moved or competitors got it horribly wrong in quest to be "first mover" ) to make a difference.

Other folks did tablets/slates. Apple was willing to throw some stuff away that didn't contribute to a narrow set of core objectives. It isn't that it wasn't done before. It was done, but masked by "extra chrome and large tail fins on a car" . Not inventing the car; just the car without extra chrome and tail fins.
 
I have been told that SJ has been petitioned to run for President but one of the lore jokes is that he didn't want to take a cut in pay and he'd have to fire too many Federal Employees to pull a profit.

Maybe he could outsource the Postal Service to China ;)
 
If this becomes a hit, Microsoft will feel they really blew it when they had their tablet 10 years ago. The Tablet is Microsoft's Apple TV hobby.

But it would have sucked so bad, its only now we have the processors to even run this stuff, look at just the iphone 3g some of the newer apps just run slow, so imagine running apps on a 10 year old CPU with how much memory.

Its only that we have the whole technology picture that we can get something worth the money. What I don't get is MS has some kind of tablet also, but seems to be only on the drawing board, I guess in the end they are just a copying company, with limited vision.
 
Ironically, vast majority of people is not using Apple products. Failed execution of the vision?

The vision was not to have their products used by the vast majority of people. The vision was to make great products that let you do great things. To me, a great product is something that helps me do what I need and not distract me from the actual task I am doing. Be that reading a web page, writing something, creating art, etc. - the tool is necessary, but I want to spend as little time working the tool as possible.
 
Fry is a second rate Oscar Wilde wannabe, with neither Wilde's rapacious wit nor his breath of creativity. The painting by the BBC of Fry and Laurie's more parochial half as the foremost thinking man's entertainer reflects the paucity of talent on the once public service channel. At least Jobs displays no false modesty, but the two figures share the ability to blow their own images out of all proportion matched only by their own inflated senses of self-worth.

It is no coincidence that two bright, Ozymandian figures should complement each other, though I preferred the Fry who spoke for the FSF - even if it was with only passing sincerity.

Sorry, but Fry has been brilliant (and not the British slang meaning of brilliant) in everything I've seen him in. Fry's work speaks for itself, and well, I guess, so does your post.
 
RDF - of course, it's Reality Distortion Field! I wanted to find out about its origin, so I checked Wikipedia. I loved the links about the article:

Apple Inc.
Drinking the Kool-Aid
Propaganda
Steve Jobs
Suggestibility
Somebody Else's Problem field
Brainwashing


Immediately, I felt I was on Macrumors with my fellow posters.

So if Apple is "brainwashing" what do you call the 90% mindless masses who use Windows "just because?"

If anything Microsoft has done a great PR job convincing people that going with the little guy is somehow following the crowd. :rolleyes:

Couldn't agree more. Sometimes I feel bad for Microsoft. It's not so much that Windows is bad, it's the HP's, Acers, Dells of the world that turn out such garbage that give Windows a worse reputation.

Actually, it's mostly Microsoft's fault. They've put the hardware makers in the position of cutting each others' throats for a pittance of profit while MS laughs all the way to the bank. Microsoft is the pimp, the hardware maker is the ho. Frankly I would hate to be in HP or Dell's position.

How is a PC maker going to sell a well-built, high-quality computer (running Windows) when the competitor is selling something for half the cost (running Windows)? The race for the bottom is over, and Microsoft won. The uninformed/undiscriminating buyer (which describes the vast majority of the Windows user base) will choose the cheaper model. Every time. And this is exactly the message Microsoft reinforces. Remember the Laptop Hunters ads - it's all about bargain pricing! You buy a crappy PC laptop, Microsoft happily takes its cut.

Ah, there's that koolaid kernkraft was referring to. Redmond flavored.
 
So if Apple is "brainwashing" what do you call the 90% mindless masses who use Windows "just because?"

If anything Microsoft has done a great PR job convincing people that going with the little guy is somehow following the crowd. :rolleyes:



Actually, it's mostly Microsoft's fault. They've put the hardware makers in the position of cutting each others' throats for a pittance of profit while MS laughs all the way to the bank. Microsoft is the pimp, the hardware maker is the ho. Frankly I would hate to be in HP or Dell's position.

How is a PC maker going to sell a well-built, high-quality computer (running Windows) when the competitor is selling something for half the cost (running Windows)? The race for the bottom is over, and Microsoft won. The uninformed/undiscriminating buyer (which describes the vast majority of the Windows user base) will choose the cheaper model. Every time. And this is exactly the message Microsoft reinforces. Remember the Laptop Hunters ads - it's all about bargain pricing! You buy a crappy PC laptop, Microsoft happily takes its cut.

Ah, there's that koolaid kernkraft was referring to. Redmond flavored.

Not my words, Wikipedia's.

One more thing... Macs are essentially PCs that can run Windows.
 
Actually, it's mostly Microsoft's fault. They've put the hardware makers in the position of cutting each others' throats for a pittance of profit while MS laughs all the way to the bank. Microsoft is the pimp, the hardware maker is the ho. Frankly I would hate to be in HP or Dell's position.

How is a PC maker going to sell a well-built, high-quality computer (running Windows) when the competitor is selling something for half the cost (running Windows)? The race for the bottom is over, and Microsoft won. The uninformed/undiscriminating buyer (which describes the vast majority of the Windows user base) will choose the cheaper model. Every time. And this is exactly the message Microsoft reinforces. Remember the Laptop Hunters ads - it's all about bargain pricing! You buy a crappy PC laptop, Microsoft happily takes its cut.

Ah, there's that koolaid kernkraft was referring to. Redmond flavored.

I think Apple could sell a line of MacBook Pros with Windows 7 and all the correct drivers to optimize the integration of the OS and hardware, charge a premium (as much as they sell them with OS X), and sell at least as many if not more than they sell right now.

IMHO, the Dells, HPs, Acers of the world have no one but themselves to blame. Lenovo (formerly IBM) can charge a premium for their top laptops because there is still value there. The others chased themselves to the bottom and once there it is almost impossible to climb back up.
 
Couldn't agree more. Sometimes I feel bad for Microsoft. It's not so much that Windows is bad, it's the HP's, Acers, Dells of the world that turn out such garbage that give Windows a worse reputation. At least that's why I moved to the Mac. Can you imaging Apple letting any of these companies building something for OS X? Frightening thought.

The delay is likely due to getting Arrandale without the Intel integrated graphics in volume and the timing of the apparently game changing iPad. These huge new releases don't happen very often and the MBP and Mac Pro refreshes were due at a awkward time for Apple marketingwise. Soon though...

This is kind of ironic given all the problems of the current iMac's (screens), the Mac Pro's (was overheating on mp3's for awhile there) and the Macbook Pro's (can't replace hard drive without making it unusable). What's left? I guess there is the Mac Mini, but mine beachballs with just about any operation I try.

And you CAN'T get an Arrandale with no integrated graphics. It's IN the CPU. They just haven't released it because...? Does anyone know the real answer? Only Apple does.
 
I agree. I also think that implying meeting SJ is somehow better than PMs of the world and multiple Presidents is way over the top. Here is a guy who invents electronics and on the other hand are people that at the flip of a switch could destroy the entire world. Yeah, the electronics guy makes me so much more nervous. Whatever, get some real perspective.

That's just crazy talk. Steve Jobs is worth more than 100 of those idiots combined. And I am NOT talking about $$$.

"people that at the flip of a switch could destroy the entire world"

If that's your idea of accomplishing something, that's pretty sad.
 
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