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Hankus said:
I just think the iPad sucks :D
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The device doesn't suck, its just that it doesn't fit your needs.

But I don't think it was aimed at you anyway.

Its aimed at people who want a computer they can turn on and off like a calculator. Something simple and easy to use.

And that market is HUGE.
 
WilliamLondon said:
Why do they not create an app for it? Didn't I read that some bank (here in the UK) has produced an app for their bank?? You should be able to connect with your bank via this device, I agree, and if you can't through the browser, then they should provide an app for it. I'm with you on this one big time.
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Yep they are just rolling out the security crap now - it's HSBC. I told them if it didn't run on OS X they could take a hike :) They assured me it works in Firefox and Safari - just not iPhone. Nat West have developed an app recently, but from what I can see it only has a fraction of the functionality of their web-based site. Unless the iPad sells multi-millions quickly I doubt there will be a decent app for quite a while.
 
Hankus said:
They need to start making products FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS instead of FOR THEMSELVES.
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Nilonym said:
I agree that the iPad is not for their customers
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Apple is making products for their customers.

They just don't use YOUR definition of their customers. A definition is that is basically 'the digigeeks that spend all day on sites like macrumors and deem any product that doesn't do what they want, how they want to be a waste, trash and a failure before it even releases'

as I said to others in about 90 days we'll see just how big Apple's customer base is and how they feel about the ipad
 
Hankus said:
...yet for some reason I have the nagging feeling that it *should* satisfy a need, and I *should* want one. Is the iPad a computer, or an overgrown phone? I think it should be the former, Apple thinks it should be the latter.
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Have you ever considered that the iPad might just be...the iPad? It's conceivable that this is an entirely new category of device. Time will tell.
 
e-coli said:
You're talking about Apple, Inc? Stock ticker AAPL? The same Apple that just posted their most profitable quarter...ever...again...for the 10th straight quarter? The same AAPL that moves the entire NASDAQ index when it makes significant movements?

You mean that non-competitive Apple that consumers and Wall St. are souring on?

Riiiiight.
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Give it time. Apple went from 100% of the PC market to 2.5%. They have been up and down in their history, from the out of control greed and customer detachment to the "oh my God, we better listen and be competitive". I hope they change course, that's why I'm here voicing my opinion. Using Wall Street as a gage is and always has been risky business.

I don't live and die by Apple's profits, I do by mine. You don't address my other points. Cheers.

Edit: Don't forget, Jobs was ousted from Apple once, for NOT LISTENING.
 
The iPad will be great for many things and for now, I will rethink my plans to buy the next iPhone vs. the iPad. I have already determined what features I actually use on my version two of the iPhone, and what features I would actually use on the iPad.

In my case, I don’t listen to music on the iPhone. However, I do enjoy having my photos readily available. The GPS feature is something I love on the iPhone and it saved my tail when I traveled to Italy with zero learning. During a transatlantic flight, I would enjoy reading a book or better still, listen to an audio book to pass the time. The most used features for me; is text messaging, email, synchronized contacts and my favorite out-of-country feature; is the ability to log onto my bank account and pay my bills. These specific features would be soOoo much easier with the larger screen and a faster processor.

My take: Its pretty clear to me that the iPad will effectively mark the end of the laptop, if not with the first version, but most likely with the second version. I believe the MacAir served as the test bed for this device and what's to come...
Regards, :rolleyes:
Dan O.
 
Journojulz said:
The device doesn't suck, its just that it doesn't fit your needs.

But I don't think it was aimed at you anyway.

Its aimed at people who want a computer they can turn on and off like a calculator. Something simple and easy to use.

And that market is HUGE.
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I have to disagree, I think the only people this will cater to is those who really enjoy reading..
 
Hankus said:
I have no desire to interact with the iPhone OS on a larger screen. I want a tablet that is a viable alternative to my other devices. I want to be able to say "today I'll work at the beach on my tablet." Currently the iPad is useless if I already have a Macbook and an iPhone, yet for some reason I have the nagging feeling that it *should* satisfy a need, and I *should* want one. Is the iPad a computer, or an overgrown phone? I think it should be the former, Apple thinks it should be the latter. Google will decide, and probably get my money. A tablet running the Google desktop OS where I can use apps sourced from anywhere would win over the iPad for me, and you're talking to someone who in 20 years has never spent a penny on a computer made by anyone other than Apple.
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Does that mean you don't like the operating system you've not yet seen and played with (though I am assuming you haven't played with it yourself)? Is that your only gripe? The operating system? You didn't mention anything about the tasks so I assume what it can do (or will do in v2) is not the issue?? Is that correct?

The thing I find silly about that is that I believe Apple understands user interfaces better than any other company. I've programmed on Apples and PCs and I have loaded Ubuntu currently on my IBM laptop, and I am certain that Apple understands user interfaces and user experience better than any other company.

So, I find it strange you would discount this device you haven't seen when you know they do these things very, very well (given your past support for their products). Do you not have some faith that they did this well? This is a whole new paradigm for interacting with computers and I for one believe that Apple is the company that will understand the paradigm best and execute better than everyone else.

If you believe otherwise, you're basing your decision on assumptions, and if you choose to go the Google route, fine, have fun with your product in x years time (if they release one), and I'll have had fun with this product all the while you wait for something that doesn't yet exist. Don't take my joy away from me - this product meets all my requirements in a device. If yours aren't met, go elsewhere and find a company that will and leave us to enjoy these wonderful products.
 
e-coli said:
Have you ever considered that the iPad might just be...the iPad? It's conceivable that this is an entirely new category of device. Time will tell.
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I'm not sure that enlarging one of their other categories constitutes a new category. I think the iPad only constitutes a category where the manufacturer makes 30% of every app that runs on it.
 
Voltaic said:
Amen...amen.

Apple has reached critical mass with Jobs. He is too hands on, almost maniacal, that is why there has been no innovation on the "Macintosh" computer side. He focuses on one thing at a time becaouse he does not properly delegate.

He has also been too concerned about increasing the bank account balance and accommodating the music/movie industry, screwing Apple customers in the process. How is it possible Amazon and others offer better quality, DRM free music for FAR LESS $ than the giant iTunes store? Why don't we have the option of Blu-Ray yet? Why don't we have HDMI on Mac's "dated" video cards? Exactly what is the compelling reason to by Apple Mac hardware for a premium price? Why are we asked to pay even more for Apple Care when 3 years warranty is now a PC industry standard? Mac users have been paying a premium while getting less and less in return.

To me, only Mac OS is compelling, narrowly so at the moment. Yes, Snow Leopard is 64 bit now. So what? Apple has made little effort in working with developers to bring more 64B apps to the platform. In fact, it has done little to further develop its own software in the past few years.

The reason the iPhone has succeeded is because that has been his focus, and he has done well. All the while the Mac has been neglected. The mac Mini is pathetic at the current price point. The Mac Pro has only gotten a new processor slapped in every 12-16 months. The only ones getting decent (not great) updates, albeit once a year, are the iMac and the laptops.

Jobs critical mass is running out of momentum. More and more Mac users are getting frustrated with the products, or lack there of, Apple is producing. "Do less for far more $" seems to be the new motto. Hell, even the iApps have been stagnant for a long time now. Once again, Apple seems to be squandering a great opportunity to grow and stay competitive. It will not take much for consumers and Wall Street to become disenchanted with the "new" Apple, as it has in the past.

After 20+ years using Macs exclusively, and a fortune, I am seriously considering switching to Windows. Bugs or not, there at least I can do whatever the hell I want for far less $. I am tired of Apple trying to tell me what I need/don't need. Those choices are for us and us alone to make.
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Spot on sir!

I am really really really hoping Steve doesn't push me to switch to Win but the way he is going its highly likely :(
 
This is the last post I'll make about iPad. Lack of Flash support has everything to do with battery life, which is the major limitation of mobile devices. Battery technology simply hasn't advanced.
 
ungraphic said:
Why is steve not doing anything about crossfire for mac pros? OpenCL is now out, hes been talking about tapping into the power of the graphics card when all cards now support crossfire and SLI. Whats so difficult about it and why is it being held back? Its almost as stupid as not having multitasking on iphones and ipads.
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OpenCL is not ready for prime time even from Nvidia. Their drivers are still in Beta.

OpenCL from AMD's ATi branch was just released.

Apple is getting their OpenGL stack up to 3.x. Once that is implemented they can share resources with OpenCL.
 
sethypoo said:
Um, here's a few things Android does better than the iPhone:

1) Multitasking
2) System-wide voice search
3) A decent Gmail app with "actual" push Gmail
4) More phones on more networks = more choice for consumers
5) User swappable batteries
6) Like it or not, a more open app ecosystem. We have Google Voice, do you? ;)
7) Adobe and Google have gone on record saying Flash is coming to the Android platform. Sure, HTML5 might be better, but in the meantime I'll be more than happy to watch Hulu on my Droid while you run one app at a time on your iPhone.

Granted, Apple could add several of these to the next version of the iPhone, and I hope they do, because it's unfortunate such a great device is limited in so many ways. And until Hulu and YouTube make a complete move to HTML5, Flash is the way to go.
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If google can get their new chrome OS cloud based netbook into a good touchscreen format like the iPad, then they will give the iPad a run for it's money. Like other people have said a touchscreen computer with windows 7 won't cut it.
 
Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won't be able to keep up with
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This I like. As someone without an iPhone it seems that the rest of the world is now catching up, and that the previous updates were nice internal boosts, but nothing really remarkable. I really like that the Droid is catching up though. Apple clearly needed competition and they finally have it, hopefully it does mean better software and hardware to come.
I loves me some valid competition!
 
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I'm sorry, i can't hear you. Could you yell a little more loudly? A few of your other words--just one or two--came through, and I'd rather ALL of them were drowned out by your shouting.

Researcher said:
...members here in MacRumors are paid to post positive comments...
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I'd say more but i need to run out and spend this week's check from apple. Still, your post gave me the chance to make another post, and generate some more income from steve. So thanks!

BTW, there's a clinical term to describe your thought processes and behavior.
 
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