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Indeed Mass histeria!

Did you lose complete signal and drop calls with this first cell phone? That's what people are dealing with here. It's not mass hysteria. People are rightfully upset their new iPhone 4 isn't working properly.

It is mass hysteria, oh yes!
It is about covering your antenna actually.

The hysteria is about the fact that you should not cover your antenna, regardless of its position.

Indeed Mass hysteria.
Only Apple did not foreseeit.
Sad!


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Do not mind my bad English.
 
Did you lose complete signal and drop calls with this first cell phone? That's what people are dealing with here. It's not mass hysteria. People are rightfully upset their new iPhone 4 isn't working properly.

And I'm sure a number of us would like some sort of positive official statement before our return periods are up because we truly would like to keep the phone. It's not like we're trolling. But keeping quiet about the issue will not solve the problem.
 
Are you having issues with your phone? Don't you think you'd be upset if you kept dropping calls with your new $300 phone?

Smash the thing or throw it away, then go to any place and buy one for $300. Then it is a $300 phone otherwise, it is a $1000 phone with at least 12 months commitment of paying at least $50 or more each month.

In the UK, if you buy the handset only, it's around $800 (£500). That is the unsubsidised price of your "$300 phone". THEN you can find a decent network that supports micro SIM.
 

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I think we can stop with the signal loss videos for now... I've been able to reproduce the issue with my friends iPhone 4 (no bumper) sitting next to my iPhone 4 (with bumper). It's real, and all the videos out there prove it.

So, assuming we all stipulate there is "some" issue, I think we have to wait for Apple to "fix" anything on their end, or just continue to swap out phones for irate users, or give them free bumpers.

For those that say they can't reproduce the issue, you are lucky, so count your blessings. Either you have a good phone, live in a strong coverage area, or hold your phone using glass-only. Whichever it is, it works for you, so leave well enough alone and pity the poor souls who are having difficulties.

Does the bumper solve the problem? I would think it does.

As for that article on "Mass Hysteria", you spelled "lose" wrong:

Anyone who tries to point out that other phones do in fact experience this are immediately branded as fanboys. It’s amazing how people are so eager to buy any controversy that involves Apple that they loose all sense of reason or balance.

But really, I think there are three classes of people when it comes to this antenna issue.

1. Apple fanboys that are way too optimistic, and point the finger at other phones while admitting the iPhone also has a problem, so it's ok.

2. Other fanboys that flame Apple to no end, pretending like this has never happened before...ever on other types of phones (the only reason you don't notice this as much on other phones is the antenna is at the TOP of the device where your fingers never go).

3. The casual user that's not a fanboy at all that is annoyed that his $200-300 has a phone that has an issue that should have been ironed out way earlier in the production stage, and doesn't want to pay $30 for a cheap, overpriced rubber case from the same company that made the mistake in the first place.

I'm one of the #3s, and I hope that the issue will be solved (whether by something as simple as a software update, or as expensive/complicated as a recall).

Either way, we just have to wait.
 
And some iPhones only lock to that frequency? Come on :rolleyes:

You obviously don't know much about cellular technology. :rolleyes: In AT&T's case, some locations are only serviced by the 850 frequency band, some locations are serviced by only the 1900 frequency band, and some locations are serviced by both bands. As stated, my theory is that only one of these frequency bands is affected by the hardware flaw. Hence why some users are not affected. Because their particular location is not serviced by the affected band. And some users say that it depends upon their location. Further backing my theory. Because one of their locations might be serviced by the 850 band, and their other location is serviced by the 1900 band. And in that video test, his location is probably serviced by both, but for many various valid reasons one of the phones locked on to the 1900 band, and the other locked onto the 850 band.
 
Smash the thing or throw it away, then go to any place and buy one for $300. Then it is a $300 phone otherwise, it is a $1000 phone with at least 12 months commitment of paying at least $50 or more each month.

In the UK, if you buy the handset only, it's around $800 (£500). That is the unsubsidised price of your "$300 phone". THEN you can find a decent network that supports micro SIM.

:D :D :D :D

People fail to realize as much these days.
 
You obviously don't know much about cellular technology. :rolleyes: In AT&T's case, some locations are only serviced by the 850 frequency band. Some locations are serviced by only the 1900 frequency band. And some locations are serviced by both. As stated, my theory is that only one of these frequency bands is affected by the hardware flaw. Hence why some users are not affected. And in that test, there are many various reasons why one of the phones locked on to the 1900 band, and the other locked onto the 850 band.

the guy who posted the video just left a comment saying both phones now show the signal loss symptom.

arn
 
"Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance..."

What a crock.

I've got a Samsung Intensity and I can put it up to my ear and cover the entire thing with my hand with no signal loss (I do that sometimes when I'm driving, as I live in a hands-free city.)

My wife's Droid is the same way. I can hold it however I want.

Hey, Apple: Maybe it's your garbage phone + the worst cell phone network in America that's causing this issue. It's weird though... You wouldn't think that something so "revolutionary" would have such issues...


Do you own a iPhone? Have you ever been a AT&T customer? Let's not jump on the bandwagon and hate the product. If VZW had an iPhone, I'm sure you would buy one. Be honest.
 
the guy who posted the video just left a comment saying both phones now show the signal loss symptom.

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Further backing my theory. Now both of his phones are locked onto the affected frequency band caused by the hardware flaw.
 
My thoughts: The chances of a software fix are good, but part of me thinks that his response may be just one of his essays on why he's 'right'. Think the 'flash' essay. He'll probably write a long essay about attenuation and how every phone suffers from signal loss and how 'hold it differently' is the right thing to do. Credit or bumpers may be offered, but an apology/recall, is out of the question.

I still stand by this.

There will no doubt be an iOS 4.0.1 update aimed at trying to fix the issue. Whether or not it does, only time will tell. But as for Steve's official response? If he actually does respond, it will probably be an essay like the one explained above. There is likely no chance that Apple will say that the phone suffers from any inherent flaw.
 
I still stand by this.

There will no doubt be an iOS 4.0.1 update aimed at trying to fix the issue. Whether or not it does, only time will tell. But as for Steve's official response? If he actually does respond, it will probably be an essay like the one explained above. There is likely no chance that Apple will say that the phone suffers from any inherent flaw.

Yeah I'm imagining an essay like the one he typed up about Flash.
 
Further backing my theory. Now both of his phones are locked onto the affected frequency band caused by the hardware flaw.

I think this man is right. It would explain a lot and makes sense that the other phone is now somehow stuck on the other frequency. It would explain why certain people in different areas experience it. This "lag" the iPhone has switching frequencies explains this.
 
Did you lose complete signal and drop calls with this first cell phone? That's what people are dealing with here. It's not mass hysteria. People are rightfully upset their new iPhone 4 isn't working properly.

No one seems to want to try real science. (sigh) I must revert to screaming. I apologize in advance.

Find a cell tower. Stand underneath it with your iPhone 4. Make a call, and then reproduce the effect that drops the call.
 
Whoever thinks that the iPhone is a $200 phone...

I found a car for you - it's only £5499 (around $9000).
 

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I haven't lost but one phone conversation however I do have trouble connecting to the internet or other online type programs. So I don't care how many bars are showing but I am having problems. I still have these problems and I bought a rubber case from Best Buy.
 
And you still haven't! Tell you what... reproduce the results under a cell tower and I will eat my words.

Three feet from my microcell, touching the bottom corner causes both my iphone 4's (and a previous iphone 4 that was returned) to drop all bars and search for signal.

The phone, with the current software, is useless to me, right next to a "cell tower."
 
1) I realize that its not right that you should HAVE to do this to get your phone to work, but are you guys really that broke that you can't afford a case?

2) Sure, having to buy one more thing isn't right and Apple really dropped the ball, but if buying a $15-$25 accessory will make your superphone work, then isn't it worth it?

1) I'm sure that many of us could afford a boat load of these "bumpers".

That's not the point. Especially for me, as I greatly prefer _not_ to cover the beautiful design of the iPhone 4 with an ugly "bumper".


2) Yes, I agree this is a very nice phone, but a "superphone" I don't think so.

I speak from experience as someone who maintains active lines with AT&T and Verizon. As a smartphone enthusiast who is platform neutral, I have been using a wide variety of smartphones for the last few years. BlackBerry / Android / iPhone / Symbian / Open Moko / WinMobile, you name it. The point? Simple, for the iPhone to be classified as a superphone it would have to have all the features currently available on the market. No phone has that. There is _no_ superphone.

There are only smartphones... each have a different selection of features, producing various pros and cons. For my use, a 4.3" screen like the one on my upcoming Droid X is terrific for web work, when one is as mobile as I am. The tiny 3.5" display on the iPhone 4 is a brilliant display but very small.

There all good really, just different. It's all up to the individual to decide.
 
Smash the thing or throw it away, then go to any place and buy one for $300. Then it is a $300 phone otherwise, it is a $1000 phone with at least 12 months commitment of paying at least $50 or more each month.

In the UK, if you buy the handset only, it's around $800 (£500). That is the unsubsidised price of your "$300 phone". THEN you can find a decent network that supports micro SIM.


If you are broke or have a short pocket like me why are you whining?
It is your fault.

People buy it because they can.
:rolleyes:

Hysteria indeed!
 
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